What does the Law REALLY say?

[just-me]

Thanks for the beating explanation. On the other hand, I know cursed are the hanged but what about the nailing?

That I cannot answer. I do know that the tree plays an important part 3 days after Passover. This is interesting. Read Exodus 15:22-25 and then read about the woman at the well John 4:7-10 and compare. Jesus as buried on Passover and after thee days He rose from the dead. as the suns sets in the Hebrew counting of days, the next day begins. The lamb was killed the day before God past over to see the blood.

And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6

 

[chubbena]

That I cannot answer. I do know that the tree plays an important part 3 days after Passover. This is interesting. Read Exodus 15:22-25 and then read about the woman at the well John 4:7-10 and compare. Jesus as buried on Passover and after thee days He rose from the dead. as the suns sets in the Hebrew counting of days, the next day begins. The lamb was killed the day before God past over to see the blood.

And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6

It's amazing indeed.
I wouldn't leave out Exodus 15:26 though - it's possibly related to the fruit of the tree of life that heals in Revelation 22.

 

[just-me]

But why was He hanged death outside the city when the animal for the sacrifice is slaughtered at the altar within the temple? Something to do with the scape goat and Hebrews 13:14?
Leviticus 4:12 and 16:27 - go well with Hebrews 13:11-13. Thanks

Just thinking about it, The passover lamb was prepared and then killed on the 14th day of Nisan. (the first month of the year) With the bullock the priest prepared the sacrifice in the temple as did the Sanhedrin did Jesus. As the complete bullock was burned outside the camp after the preparation, so was Jesus crucified outside Jerusalem. Sorry, that's redundant on my part. I think that the slaughter of the Lamb began at Jesus' arrest because he was carrying the sins of the world at that point. He sweat blood. In other words (to me) that was the point that death was beginning. Jesus said to Pilate "to this end I was born." I know some of the detailed timing of the situation, but I suppose I will never know the totality of it all until we attend the feast of tabernacles during the millennium.

 

[just-me]

It's amazing indeed.
I wouldn't leave out Exodus 15:26 though - it's possibly related to the fruit of the tree of life that heals in Revelation 22.

WOW that is insight! Thanks Revelation 22 also. How great is our God!!! Wonderful thank you! Praise God for your edification.

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.Romans 8:28

 

[JaumeJ]

This is prophesied of the Messiah. He could not be Messiah, and also crucified within the walls of the city.

Questions:
How did the Christ fulfill such when He was sacrificed outside the temple on the cross?
We know He's beaten because of our sins but there's no mentioning of such on animal sacrifices. Did I miss something?
Please no trouble makers here.

 

[Elin]

Christ dying north of the city (outside Jerusalem) fulfilled Lev 1:11,
where the sacrifice was slaughtered on the north side of the altar.

Also note in Lev 4:12 and 16:27 that sacrifices were taken outside the camp and burned.

But why was He hanged death outside the city when the animal for the sacrifice
is slaughtered at the altar within the temple? Something to do with the scape goat and Hebrews 13:14?
Leviticus 4:12 and 16:27 - go well with Hebrews 13:11-13. Thanks

He was crucified, not hanged by the neck.

And he was not sacrificed within the Temple because he was not an animal.

He was sacrificed outside the city because his sacrifice was not of the Temple order
of the Aaronic priesthood,
it was of a new order (Heb 7-10), the old order was now passed away.

The new order with the new covenant,
the new priesthood - of Melchizedek, consisting of believers,
the new High Priest - Christ Jesus, who offered
the new sacrifice - once-for-all, and
the new law - of Christ (Mt 22:37-40)

had replaced the old order which now was passing away (Heb 7:11-12, 18-19, 8:13).

 

[KohenMatt]

Sacrifices - Part 2 of 6

101 Leviticus 22:28 - Not to slaughter an animal and its young on the same day.
And whether it be cow or ewe, ye shall not kill it and her young both in one day.


102 Leviticus 5:11 - Not to put olive oil on the sin meal-offering.
But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.


103 Leviticus 5:11 - Not to put frankincense on the sin meal-offering.
But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.


104 Numbers 5:15 - Not to put olive oil on the jealousy offering.
Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.


105 Numbers 5:15 - Not to put frankincense on the jealousy offering.
Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.


106 Leviticus 27:10 - Not to substitute sacrifices.
He shall not alter it, nor change it, a good for a bad, or a bad for a good: and if he shall at all change beast for beast, then it and the exchange thereof shall be holy.


107 Leviticus 27:33 - Not to change sacrifices from one category to the other.
He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.


108 Numbers 18:17 - Redeem not the firstborn of permitted (clean) animals.
But the firstling of a cow, or the firstling of a sheep, or the firstling of a goat, thou shalt not redeem; they are holy: thou shalt sprinkle their blood upon the altar, and shalt burn their fat for an offering made by fire, for a sweet savour unto the LORD.


109 Leviticus 27:33 - Not to sell the tithe of the herd of cattle.
He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.


110 Leviticus 27:28 - Not to sell a devoted field.
Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD.


111 Leviticus 27:28 - Not to redeem a devoted (by the Cherem vow) field.
Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD.


112 Leviticus 5:8 - Not to split head of bird slaughtered for Sin-offering.
And he shall bring them unto the priest, who shall offer that which is for the sin offering first, and wring off his head from his neck, but shall not divide it asunder:

 

[chubbena]

Just thinking about it, The passover lamb was prepared and then killed on the 14th day of Nisan. (the first month of the year) With the bullock the priest prepared the sacrifice in the temple as did the Sanhedrin did Jesus. As the complete bullock was burned outside the camp after the preparation, so was Jesus crucified outside Jerusalem. Sorry, that's redundant on my part. I think that the slaughter of the Lamb began at Jesus' arrest because he was carrying the sins of the world at that point. He sweat blood. In other words (to me) that was the point that death was beginning. Jesus said to Pilate "to this end I was born." I know some of the detailed timing of the situation, but I suppose I will never know the totality of it all until we attend the feast of tabernacles during the millennium.

I have no clue if there'll be a physical millennium although Isaiah 11, 65 & 66 seemed to suggest so. What is your take on Revelation 21 & 22 - Is it about the millennium or the everlasting life?

 

[chubbena]

This is prophesied of the Messiah. He could not be Messiah, and also crucified within the walls of the city.

Would you please elaborate?

 

[chubbena]

He was crucified, not hanged by the neck.

And he was not sacrificed within the Temple because he was not an animal.

There's obvious.

He was sacrificed outside the city because his sacrifice was not of the Temple order
of the Aaronic priesthood,
it was of a new order (Heb 7-10), the old order was now passed away.

The new order with the new covenant,
the new priesthood - of Melchizedek, consisting of believers,
the new High Priest - Christ Jesus, who offered
the new sacrifice - once-for-all, and
the new law - of Christ (Mt 22:37-40)

had replaced the old order which now was passing away (Heb 7:11-12, 18-19, 8:13).

The Bereans apparently didn't have the NT books and were able to verify that He's the Messiah from the OT - so my question is, how?

 

[just-me]

I have no clue if there'll be a physical millennium although Isaiah 11, 65 & 66 seemed to suggest so. What is your take on Revelation 21 & 22 - Is it about the millennium or the everlasting life?

I relate the millennial reign of Christ to the feast of tabernacles. At the present, the principles of this feast (not the physical but the spiritual application) should be rehearsed by the church to get ready.

"And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up , and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles." (Zechariah 14:16-19)

In Revelation chapter 20 it is important to note verse 19 and 20 concerning the stones. These stone represent attributes, for they are identical to the stones in the breastplate of the High Priest of the Old Covenant/Testament. I have a rundown on them if you would like. I look at both chapters (21 and 22) as spiritual in meaning even though it might be a physical situation as we live today. One must take into account the "New earth" in verse 1. I cater more toward a spiritual environment because of Revelation 21:3

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying , Behold , the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." Compare this with Zechariah. Whether tis is the thousand years in Revelation 20 or not I don't know, but it seems that it might be after that time. Never looked at it that way before. Satan will be let loose after the millennium as it seems. That's about all I can offer.

 

[JaumeJ]

Deu 21:22
And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

Deu 21:23
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

The above is the law fulfilled by Jesus Christ. The other part I cannot locate right now, so anyone who knows numbers of chapter and verse by heart, please add where it is written about not hanging anyone within the walls of the city.

Would you please elaborate?

 

[Elin]

The Bereans apparently didn't have the NT books and
were able to verify that He's the Messiah from the OT - so my question is, how?

From the 120+ OT Scriptures pointed out to the Bereans that were fulfilled in him; e.g.

Ge 3:15; Ex 12:46; Nu 24:17-19; Dt 21:13;

2 Sa 7:12; 1Chr 17:11-14;

Job 19:25-27; Ps 110:1-7; Pr 30:4;

Is 7:14; Jer 31:15; Eze 34:23-24; Da 2:34-35; Hos 11:1; Joel 2:28-32;
Am 8:9; Mic 5:1-5; Hab 2:14; Zec 11:12-13; Mal 4:2-3.

 

[Elin]

I know cursed are the hanged but what about the nailing?

"Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." (Dt 21:23)

"Tree" in NT times was used to refer to stocks and poles on which bodies were impaled.
Here it is used of the cross (Ac 5:30, 10:39; 1Pe 2:24).

 

[chubbena]

I relate the millennial reign of Christ to the feast of tabernacles. At the present, the principles of this feast (not the physical but the spiritual application) should be rehearsed by the church to get ready.

"And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up , and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles." (Zechariah 14:16-19)

Just checking - Is this the only feast that is to be observed in the coming era besides Sabbath and New Moon?

In Revelation chapter 20 it is important to note verse 19 and 20 concerning the stones. These stone represent attributes, for they are identical to the stones in the breastplate of the High Priest of the Old Covenant/Testament. I have a rundown on them if you would like.

Would like to know. Something to do with righteousness I suppose?

I look at both chapters (21 and 22) as spiritual in meaning even though it might be a physical situation as we live today. One must take into account the "New earth" in verse 1. I cater more toward a spiritual environment because of Revelation 21:3

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying , Behold , the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." Compare this with Zechariah. Whether tis is the thousand years in Revelation 20 or not I don't know, but it seems that it might be after that time. Never looked at it that way before.

To me Revelation 21:3 simply means He will dwell with His people in the coming world and quite possibly celebrating the feast, Sabbath and New Moon in His presence. Will find out.

Satan will be let loose after the millennium as it seems. That's about all I can offer.

It makes me wonder if the millennium (if it implies the gospel era) has come near the end. I'm open to other interpretations though.

 

[chubbena]

Deu 21:22
And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

Deu 21:23
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

The above is the law fulfilled by Jesus Christ. The other part I cannot locate right now, so anyone who knows numbers of chapter and verse by heart, please add where it is written about not hanging anyone within the walls of the city.

Indeed, sin and guilt offerings were for careless offenses towards other people and holy things. His sacrifice, on the other hand, covered deadly sins which no animal sacrifices or compensation in the past could have had.

 

[chubbena]

From the 120+ OT Scriptures pointed out to the Bereans that were fulfilled in him; e.g.

Ge 3:15; Ex 12:46; Nu 24:17-19; Dt 21:13;

2 Sa 7:12; 1Chr 17:11-14;

Job 19:25-27; Ps 110:1-7; Pr 30:4;

Is 7:14; Jer 31:15; Eze 34:23-24; Da 2:34-35; Hos 11:1; Joel 2:28-32;
Am 8:9; Mic 5:1-5; Hab 2:14; Zec 11:12-13; Mal 4:2-3.

I was looking for references regarding my earlier question: But why was He hanged death outside the city when the animal for the sacrifice
is slaughtered at the altar within the temple?
I guess JaumeJ has given the answer in Deuteronomy 21:22-23.

 

[chubbena]

"Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." (Dt 21:23)

"Tree" in NT times was used to refer to stocks and poles on which bodies were impaled.
Here it is used of the cross (Ac 5:30, 10:39; 1Pe 2:24).

But what about nailing?

Sorry Matt if I had derail much....

 

[just-me]

Just checking - Is this the only feast that is to be observed in the coming era besides Sabbath and New Moon?

Skim through this and you will see what I think about it starting on page 36. It's deep, I had to study for months to come to these conclusions. I wrote it.Three Feasts of the Pentateuch

It makes me wonder if the millennium (if it implies the gospel era) has come near the end. I'm open to other interpretations though.

I think the the millennium begins after the battle of Armageddon. Then after the millennium Satan will be loosed for a time for God to finish cleaning house, and then the new heavens and earth come to pass. Just my thoughts.

 

[chubbena]

Skim through this and you will see what I think about it starting on page 36. It's deep, I had to study for months to come to these conclusions. I wrote it.Three Feasts of the Pentateuch

Will need some time to read. Will get back.

I think the the millennium begins after the battle of Armageddon. Then after the millennium Satan will be loosed for a time for God to finish cleaning house, and then the new heavens and earth come to pass. Just my thoughts.

Don't you see Armageddon is rehearsing in many Christian circles including CC?