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the part of Proverbs we're quoting from is the work of a new author, so Proverbs can be added to...that part is with God's approval, I think...now, if a human work contains just one word that is added to the God's word that is settled in heaven, then it's not the same as that settled word, I think...
I even used to have the book of Mormon, but that didn't help me very much. I do however have the "Complete Jewish Bible" that is written in English including the New Testament. I have the Catholic Douay Bible with 1 and 2 Maccabees and all. I also have the book of Enoch which is deep for sure but is not in our original, yet can be related to the truth in many ways. The 2nd and 3rd book of Enoch aren't very good in my estimation. NIV, ASV etc. LOL 
rolleyes: HAH AHA. and more. (smile)
rolleyes: HAH AHA. and more. (smile)well, if someone changes the words of a contract, then it's an altered contract...if two peole read the same words in a contract, and have two different interpretations, that's where the courts come in, in law... with God, that's where the spirit comes in...Jesus said the spirit would guide us into truth...John 14 or thereabouts...
This pertains to more than revelation, even though there might be controversy stemming from various thoughts.
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Even in the KJV there are added words written in italics like these. Covenant is an added word in these 3 verese.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrew 9:1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
It can be misleading if 9:1 is not mentioned with chapter 8.
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Even in the KJV there are added words written in italics like these. Covenant is an added word in these 3 verese.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrew 9:1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
It can be misleading if 9:1 is not mentioned with chapter 8.
I'm glad you brought this up again...I think someone who has only a first grade reading ability should still be able to access God's word... with the spirit helping them...my wife teaches fifth graders... she says the kjv is nearly impossible for them to read...even the niv is a stretch... so she switched to the nirv...she says the kids get a real happy look on their face when they realize they too can read the bible... is it a perfect bible? no, but the spirit that guides them is perfect...
Well, languages differ between one another. I know this personally first hand because my fiance (Who is Christian) lives in Brazil and I have visited her many times. I mean, have you ever heard someone speak in Chinese? To say something short and simple, they speak a little longer. In the case with the Greek, it is the opposite. Less was spoken so as to convey something. But in the English, more words are needed to clarify what already exists within the Greek.
It's called language translation and not language altering. No new ideas or messsages are changing the Word of God here. Check out this article here:
The Italicized Words in the King James Bible
It's called language translation and not language altering. No new ideas or messsages are changing the Word of God here. Check out this article here:
The Italicized Words in the King James Bible
is there a scripture that says when people use the same translation there is less wriggle room? maybe there is, I don't know... I think people find as much wriggle room as they want to find... if we look back at when KJV ruled the English world, we can find Quakers, shakers, puritans, Anglicans, restoration movementers, Methodists, country preachers... very different views, I think...
So you siding with, "The Truth is not Knoweable" Types?
Words have a specific meaning in the English language. There is one intended meaning or message that we can easily understand in the English. People twist the plain written meaning because they do not all discern things spiritually and receive all of the seed of the Word of God into their heart. That is why there is different denominations.
But you didn't change anything with your point, though. People understand and know English better than Biblical Hebrew and Greek. That is a fact. People today do not have Moses or the Apostle Paul to double check their study of these languages. Today, we are familar with the English language because it is a part of our every day lives. We can look back in recent history in see how the English language has progressed and in many cases (Hasn't changed).
Scholars and religionists are deceiving themselves if they think they can know a dead language and not be in error in some way. That would be like trying to speak dolphin by studying dolphins.
Words have a specific meaning in the English language. There is one intended meaning or message that we can easily understand in the English. People twist the plain written meaning because they do not all discern things spiritually and receive all of the seed of the Word of God into their heart. That is why there is different denominations.
But you didn't change anything with your point, though. People understand and know English better than Biblical Hebrew and Greek. That is a fact. People today do not have Moses or the Apostle Paul to double check their study of these languages. Today, we are familar with the English language because it is a part of our every day lives. We can look back in recent history in see how the English language has progressed and in many cases (Hasn't changed).
Scholars and religionists are deceiving themselves if they think they can know a dead language and not be in error in some way. That would be like trying to speak dolphin by studying dolphins.
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and that is my point...if it is a great translation, men heard the word through it(the KJV) and were saved by grace through faith using no other literature, why call them a cult? Then we can conclude they have more faith than those who need other translation to get a clear understanding...Before bible translation and compilation there was the manuscripts handed down and the letters to the churches...where was KJV or ASV or NIV or any other for that matter?
My point is that would you trust someone who doesn't speak Modern English to teach you about Old English from the 1600's? My guess is that you wouldn't really trust that person all too much. It's the same with dead languages that is no way related to anything that we are familar with. People are guessing as to what those languages are saying. And many of them are cheating by looking at what their Bible says in the current language.
You missing the point. The cult of King James Only have cherry picked a couple of verses and perverted them out of context to come up with a wacky theory that the King James bible is Gods final authoritive word, that we must not have any other translations after this and the manuscripts before are now obsolete. Further they state that anyone who does not agree to this is either listening to a demon or they are still baby Christians and still only drinking milk, its only the most mature and enlightened Christians who have the true Bible issue revealed to them by God.
If you knew your Bible history you would know that most protestants at the time hated the King James as the King made stipulations about the translation, he ordered the translators to only use the word church and not assembly and if you read the introduction it totally blows apart the cults claims, but they ignore that bit. Further still the King James bible printed today is not the original 1611, which again contradicts the claims made by the King James only cult.
If you knew your Bible history you would know that most protestants at the time hated the King James as the King made stipulations about the translation, he ordered the translators to only use the word church and not assembly and if you read the introduction it totally blows apart the cults claims, but they ignore that bit. Further still the King James bible printed today is not the original 1611, which again contradicts the claims made by the King James only cult.
