The addiction thread

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tourist

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You've tried over and over again to get help?? Or you've tried over and over on your own to break free of your addiction? If you're waiting on God to magically set you free when you're not doing nothing, but continuing to submit to the addiction and ''wait on his timing''...... you might be waiting awhile.
I agree with you about God's timing in helping with addiction. For one thing, I don't believe that God helps with this but rather He delivers one from addictions when that person prays for help with a contrite heart and a willingness to be made whole once again. God's timing is now and He is waiting, not because that He wants to but because He is waiting for the one with addictions to decide it is the right time and is now seeking His help for deliverance. I am an addict too as I am a slave to nicotine. Perhaps it's not the right time or whatever excuse I can think of. I prayed for His help once for deliverance but He did not help me because He knew I was lying to Him.
 
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What about Paul's "thorn in the flesh"?

I hear some people talk about conquering addiction. Other talk about managing it.
While I will not speak for others on this, I believe strongly that my addictions must be conquered daily (if not more often) by consciously choosing to abstain/maintain sobriety. I can go *Years* without hearing from the temptations of something, but it only takes one weak moment and one casual attack from Satan.
 
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Sorry I dont get this. what is this supposed to mean?

I'm with you, if for no other reason that I cannot get the image to load past his right eyeball. Still, I can see by the eye/hair/brows that it is that chap from The Office.
 
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I'm with you, if for no other reason that I cannot get the image to load past his right eyeball. Still, I can see by the eye/hair/brows that it is that chap from The Office.
He is making a face but I cant tell what it means
 
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ServantStrike

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Denial I suppose. "I can quit when I want to."

OR


Its the illusion of control.


OR


Its the sympathy train, rolling in the "struggle hugs"


Yeah, or the infamous "just this one last time", which is almost as bad as "well but it was only one time and I hadn't done it in a while."


If it's bad enough that someone thinks they are addicted, then they need to prayerfully consider what the problem is and actively take steps to combat it - what those are I suppose would depend on the addiction. They could be as simple as stopping the behavior, or they could involve seeking out assistance from others, or a combination of steps unknown. At any rate, the process involves doing something about it.


I don't believe that I've ever heard someone say that God placed an addiction in their life, but I've heard lots of people say He took one (or more) out of their life. All of these people had to do something as well though, if it was nothing more than earnest and heartfelt prayer and repentance. The Holy Spirit has a habit of working His way through us whether we like it or not.
 
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arwen-undomiel

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I have had/still have weaknesses to certain things, but would not call them addictions. It doesn't take over my life 24/7, but it can distract me. I see my thought pattern get twisted and go a certain way, and somehow i convince myself that it's ok and ignore the consequences of how it will impact my future. But it's in those moments when internal dialogue is getting distorted that it's hard to argue against.
 

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What about Paul's "thorn in the flesh"?
According to Paul, he only had that because of the surpassingly great revelations given to him. He was in danger of getting puffed up so God sent something to humble him. The nature of it is debated, but I do not think we can support the idea that it was anything he chose to do or pursue so not a giving into temptation or sinful habit he couldn't stop indulging.
 
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amymine712

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I agree with you about God's timing in helping with addiction. For one thing, I don't believe that God helps with this but rather He delivers one from addictions when that person prays for help with a contrite heart and a willingness to be made whole once again. God's timing is now and He is waiting, not because that He wants to but because He is waiting for the one with addictions to decide it is the right time and is now seeking His help for deliverance. I am an addict too as I am a slave to nicotine. Perhaps it's not the right time or whatever excuse I can think of. I prayed for His help once for deliverance but He did not help me because He knew I was lying to Him.
I don't think you were lying to God about wanting to be free from your addiction. It's more that you stumbled and because you aren't perfect and think you need to be, you gave up. Getting free from addictions isn't an easy process. It took me 5 years to become free of my porn addiction and more than 5 years to become free of my food addiction. We stumble a lot because without God we are weak and completely relying on God is a learning process. Plus being addicted to something is also a chemical process in your brain that is hard to break free from. I still have to chose to not let my sexual and food addictions back into my life on a daily basis...sometimes hourly or by the minute...to let God have His way in me is a choice I have to make. To not give up or give in is a daily struggle. It isn't easy to follow Christ but it is totally worth the effort.
 
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According to Paul, he only had that because of the surpassingly great revelations given to him. He was in danger of getting puffed up so God sent something to humble him. The nature of it is debated, but I do not think we can support the idea that it was anything he chose to do or pursue so not a giving into temptation or sinful habit he couldn't stop indulging.
Thank you for engaging on that, Cinder :) I agree that those more scholarly than myself have drawn the conclusion of it being a physical issue, perhaps even an actual thorn that had become embedded in his flesh, perhaps the lasting result of a beating he suffered for choosing Christ, perhaps any number of things...and what it was specifically is not something that I need to know, because I can take lesson from it without the details.
I think that whether it be illness, addiction, fiscal woes, or other hardship...that just because we earnestly ask God to change a situation that it does not mean he will. I am not boxing God - He CAN do anything, so let's not have anyone accuse me of that. But rather, I believe that God sometimes places these things in our lives to refine us or to prepare us to be used as His instrument in a situation. There is nothing good about a hardship, until God takes the cracked, earthen vessel and uses that imperfection to show His greatness. (2 Corinthians 2 and even 3, if you need verses, ask.) If I am failing to engage in my addiction, but still am tempted by it, then surely God can (and does) use that. I am neither free from temptation, nor free from addiction, but by God's grace, I am empowered by Him to be able to choose to not partake. Some would say that because I am still tempted I am not "in the light." I am of the opinion these people have not known addiction firsthand, but for their sake we shall say I stand in the shadowlands that border day and night. Because I am not engaged in the darkness of addiction, I can hold the lantern high to help show God's light that others may be lead from the depths of darkness. I know better than to place myself in the grasp of further temptation, but rather am there to catch the hand of others as they reach out once they have decided they want to change.

Back to those shadowlands, it is here that God's work is done, where the lukewarm are spat out and where our metal is tested.
Have you ever seen a slaughterhouse knife with the middle of the blade cut out? The leading edge is there to do the cutting, there is a framework at the back that supports and strengthens. The unnecessary parts in the middle have been removed. Some might say to conserve the metal, some cite other reasons. The man using the knife told me that he chose it because it lightened the tool and he could do more work. If I cannot be on the knife's edge, doing God's work, then I must strive hard to ensure that I am part of the framework, supporting those on the front lines.
 
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Thank you for engaging on that, Cinder :) I agree that those more scholarly than myself have drawn the conclusion of it being a physical issue, perhaps even an actual thorn that had become embedded in his flesh, perhaps the lasting result of a beating he suffered for choosing Christ, perhaps any number of things...and what it was specifically is not something that I need to know, because I can take lesson from it without the details.
I think that whether it be illness, addiction, fiscal woes, or other hardship...that just because we earnestly ask God to change a situation that it does not mean he will. I am not boxing God - He CAN do anything, so let's not have anyone accuse me of that. But rather, I believe that God sometimes places these things in our lives to refine us or to prepare us to be used as His instrument in a situation. There is nothing good about a hardship, until God takes the cracked, earthen vessel and uses that imperfection to show His greatness. (2 Corinthians 2 and even 3, if you need verses, ask.) If I am failing to engage in my addiction, but still am tempted by it, then surely God can (and does) use that. I am neither free from temptation, nor free from addiction, but by God's grace, I am empowered by Him to be able to choose to not partake. Some would say that because I am still tempted I am not "in the light." I am of the opinion these people have not known addiction firsthand, but for their sake we shall say I stand in the shadowlands that border day and night. Because I am not engaged in the darkness of addiction, I can hold the lantern high to help show God's light that others may be lead from the depths of darkness. I know better than to place myself in the grasp of further temptation, but rather am there to catch the hand of others as they reach out once they have decided they want to change.

Back to those shadowlands, it is here that God's work is done, where the lukewarm are spat out and where our metal is tested.
Have you ever seen a slaughterhouse knife with the middle of the blade cut out? The leading edge is there to do the cutting, there is a framework at the back that supports and strengthens. The unnecessary parts in the middle have been removed. Some might say to conserve the metal, some cite other reasons. The man using the knife told me that he chose it because it lightened the tool and he could do more work. If I cannot be on the knife's edge, doing God's work, then I must strive hard to ensure that I am part of the framework, supporting those on the front lines.
Amen! There are weaknesses in all of us that the devil tries to exploit but God wants to use those same weaknesses for His glory. We have to decide who we want to follow...God or the world.
 

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I don't think you were lying to God about wanting to be free from your addiction. It's more that you stumbled and because you aren't perfect and think you need to be, you gave up. Getting free from addictions isn't an easy process. It took me 5 years to become free of my porn addiction and more than 5 years to become free of my food addiction. We stumble a lot because without God we are weak and completely relying on God is a learning process. Plus being addicted to something is also a chemical process in your brain that is hard to break free from. I still have to chose to not let my sexual and food addictions back into my life on a daily basis...sometimes hourly or by the minute...to let God have His way in me is a choice I have to make. To not give up or give in is a daily struggle. It isn't easy to follow Christ but it is totally worth the effort.
I thank you for what you have wrote. God Bless You.
 

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I don't think you were lying to God about wanting to be free from your addiction. It's more that you stumbled and because you aren't perfect and think you need to be, you gave up. Getting free from addictions isn't an easy process. It took me 5 years to become free of my porn addiction and more than 5 years to become free of my food addiction. We stumble a lot because without God we are weak and completely relying on God is a learning process. Plus being addicted to something is also a chemical process in your brain that is hard to break free from. I still have to chose to not let my sexual and food addictions back into my life on a daily basis...sometimes hourly or by the minute...to let God have His way in me is a choice I have to make. To not give up or give in is a daily struggle. It isn't easy to follow Christ but it is totally worth the effort.
I can't even last past a week. It's so frustrating when you know it's wrong. And you tell God you're not going to do it anymore. You feel good then while you're laying in bed late at night you slip up again. I posted before if one can stumble to the point where this no hope for us and if we are bound to eternal damnation. I know God never leaves us. And He is waiting for us to come to Him. The slightest thought slips into my head though and I let it get to me. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This is insanity as my problem has just grown and grown. And I know I disappoint God each and every time. I know you said it took 5 years for you. For me, part of me is afraid there's no hope. I need to do something different. Go to counseling (oddly enough, I studied psychology and wanted to a substance abuse counselor). Go to meetings. Do Whatever. But I need to do something. Because right now I know I have failed as a Christfollower. And we are never promised tomorrow.
 
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I can't even last past a week. It's so frustrating when you know it's wrong. And you tell God you're not going to do it anymore. You feel good then while you're laying in bed late at night you slip up again. I posted before if one can stumble to the point where this no hope for us and if we are bound to eternal damnation. I know God never leaves us. And He is waiting for us to come to Him. The slightest thought slips into my head though and I let it get to me. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This is insanity as my problem has just grown and grown. And I know I disappoint God each and every time. I know you said it took 5 years for you. For me, part of me is afraid there's no hope. I need to do something different. Go to counseling (oddly enough, I studied psychology and wanted to a substance abuse counselor). Go to meetings. Do Whatever. But I need to do something. Because right now I know I have failed as a Christfollower. And we are never promised tomorrow.

Don't get so down on yourself. Yes the addiction is a sin. We are to repent and turn from it. When we stumble, we need to pick ourselves up, repent and turn from it...you do it as often as it takes. Don't give up. I will tell you what worked for me.

1. Praying and reading the bible...every time I got a thought in my head and was able to go read the bible instead of giving in was a big victory...it's like spitting in Satan's eye. :)

2. Accountability...get an accountability partner. I used my family. I tell you, it's very humbling to have to admit to your mom and sisters that you have stumbled and need prayer.

3. Don't give up...giving up is letting Satan win and telling God that He isn't enough to get you thru this.

4. Learning...you need to do bible studies. Learning God's views on sex, love, and marriage are essential in reprogramming your thoughts.

5. Accept that you will stumble especially at first. Stumbling is part of getting free. It shows us that we can't do anything without leaning on God.

6. Be diligent...get rid of anything in your life that could cause you to stumble or aid you in stumbling.

7. Pray! Yes I already mentioned it but it bares repeating. We must pray for strength, wisdom, understanding, purity in thought, words and deeds. Purity of mind, soul and body. For protection against wrong thoughts, dreams etc.

8. Don't give up...repeat, I know. Learn to love yourself enough to forgive yourself as God forgives you.

9. Love yourself as God loves you. I know how hard that is especially when under addictions. It is one of the toughest lessons I had to learn.

10. Always remember that God loves you unconditionally. Jesus died for you so that you could be together and have a personal relationship. So don't shut Him out because you think your addiction is more then God can bare. God knew what sins you would have issues with long before you did and Christ died for them.

I hope some of this will help and lift you up. Keep on overcoming. With God all things are possible. I will keep you in my prayers.
 

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#35
I agree with you about God's timing in helping with addiction. For one thing, I don't believe that God helps with this but rather He delivers one from addictions when that person prays for help with a contrite heart and a willingness to be made whole once again. God's timing is now and He is waiting, not because that He wants to but because He is waiting for the one with addictions to decide it is the right time and is now seeking His help for deliverance. I am an addict too as I am a slave to nicotine. Perhaps it's not the right time or whatever excuse I can think of. I prayed for His help once for deliverance but He did not help me because He knew I was lying to Him.


You can do it tourist if you try. You are the master of your soul. There are many who succeeded in overcoming their addictions through God's help, so can you. Nothing is impossible with God. There is life after nicotine, caffeine, or any other addictions. Resist and distract your mind whenever you feel the need to indulge. If you acknowledge that you have a spiritual battle to fight, then you have a chance to win. Addiction must run its course but you dont have to wait until you bottom out before you decide to ask for God's help to end it all. Be wise enough to know what the devil is doing to you.


These addictions are spiritual strongholds built by the master deciever. But we can take these strongholds down by wearing the full armor of God: (Ephesians 6:14-17)


1. Belt of truth buckled around your waist
2. Breastplate of righteousness
3. Feet fitted with readiness that comes from the gospel of peace
4. Shield of faith with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one
5. Helmet of salvation
6. Sword of the Spirit which is the word of God.
 
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_Mastermind77_

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Some will see I posted something similar to this thread. I am addicted to porn as well. We just have to keep fighting the good fight. Even as i type those words, I start to feel tired. I am tired of fighting, and losing, so often to the same sin and lust even though i promise i will never do it again every time. God sees our shame, pain, doubt, and hopelessness, and we should rest and find strength in the fact that he knew all we were going to do from before time began, and he still loves us. For anyone who is being tempted, we have to get it out in the open. Darkness cannot abide in the light. Let the light shine into every corner of your life. These are the years of our life that God uses to mold us. I am praying for everyone with addictions. God Bless you brethren!
 
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Jullianna

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Denial I suppose. "I can quit when I want to."

OR


Its the illusion of control.


OR


Its the sympathy train, rolling in the "struggle hugs"
I think that, as with so many things in life, it is about balance. Seems like just about everyone I know suffers from an addiction of some sort: video games, the Internet, Facebook, CC, their past, whining, buying things, porn, being around certain people, negativity, playing "sick" for sympathy, romance, cleaning, exercise, "fun".....not wanting to grow up, thrills and chills, scrapbooking, television, even the next new "faith" thing....

What Paul said about stumbling and restoration comes to mind...

Whether it comes from God, Himself, or from a friend/sibling in Christ, the revelation of the thing is so important. Someone can become so accustomed to having certain things in their lives that they cannot even see they are an issue, you know? What might not be an issue for one person certainly can be for another, and they may not realize the damage that is being done to them and others around them. Some things begin so innocently (satan is cunning...) and we don't even realize their danger until we feel the noose begin to tighten.

Once the person has come to understand that whatever it is has become a "thing" to them, that is the time to come alongside them and be a cheerleader, but NOT an enabler.

It's what love does.
 

PopClick

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he has yet to act, and even though it seems like he will never help me I choose to trust in him. I have faith that when the time is right, when I have gone through the fire enough he will act and there will be literally nothing we cannot do.
God has already given you what you need to beat this. He has promised that we will not be tempted beyond what we can bear, and that He will give us a way out of the temptation. He never said it would be easy, but He does enable us to resist any temptation that comes our way.

Speaking specifically of caffeine, I know that the withdrawal symptoms can be terrible. But they are temporary. Just hold on to that fact as you're going through it... this is temporary. It will go away soon, and nothing but YOU is ever forcing you to take another shot of caffeine.

I am going to pray for you, but I think you're coming at this with an attitude of already being defeated, and that's just going to make it so much harder to succeed. I truly hope you do succeed though.
 

JesusLives

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#39
I agree with you about God's timing in helping with addiction. For one thing, I don't believe that God helps with this but rather He delivers one from addictions when that person prays for help with a contrite heart and a willingness to be made whole once again. God's timing is now and He is waiting, not because that He wants to but because He is waiting for the one with addictions to decide it is the right time and is now seeking His help for deliverance. I am an addict too as I am a slave to nicotine. Perhaps it's not the right time or whatever excuse I can think of. I prayed for His help once for deliverance but He did not help me because He knew I was lying to Him.
Never give up someday you might really want to give up this habit and God will be there willing to take the desire away from you. Like me with gluttony you just have to learn and want to stop bending your elbow to your mouth. It can happen with God on your side.
 

JesusLives

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I can't even last past a week. It's so frustrating when you know it's wrong. And you tell God you're not going to do it anymore. You feel good then while you're laying in bed late at night you slip up again. I posted before if one can stumble to the point where this no hope for us and if we are bound to eternal damnation. I know God never leaves us. And He is waiting for us to come to Him. The slightest thought slips into my head though and I let it get to me. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This is insanity as my problem has just grown and grown. And I know I disappoint God each and every time. I know you said it took 5 years for you. For me, part of me is afraid there's no hope. I need to do something different. Go to counseling (oddly enough, I studied psychology and wanted to a substance abuse counselor). Go to meetings. Do Whatever. But I need to do something. Because right now I know I have failed as a Christfollower. And we are never promised tomorrow.

I like you had prayed many times to overcome my eating problem I found though that until I was totally honest with God that I couldn't do it, that I had tried over and over and failed. So I gave myself to God and I said this is beyond my ability, please take me and my gluttony and fix it because I can't do it. God has been working on this with me and with His help I have been able to say no when temptations come along and this has helped to build confidence in me not in my ability but in God's ability to take my problem and help me be a conqueror. Jesus has already won any battle we face we just have to reach out in faith and take His hand and listen to what He tells us. There have been times at night I want to go to the frig and I have heard the voice do you really need to eat that and honestly I have to say no. The wins since I made this request to God have been many more than the losses. I am starting to see some results and it is encouraging. It is a battle, but I am not fighting alone and neither will you once you surrender this issue. Let go and let God help you.