When the scripture says, and God breathed into the nostrils of Adam, "the breath of life" and he became a living soul, I believe that is a metaphoric statement that God placed Adams already-existing, pre-existent spirit into the newly formed flesh and bone body of Adam and he became a living soul.
I do not believe that there is a pre-existent spirit and then when Adam's flesh and bone body was formed, his pre-existent
spirit was sent off to some storage locker and a new spirit was breathed into Adams nostrils.
There is only 1 birth of the pre-existent spirit. This spirit is not reborn at the birth of a new flesh and blood body, it is just placed into it and continues to exist, but now united with the flesh and bone body. It is born-again later(only the second time) as you become aware of God and his gospel and you go to your knees and repent of your sins and confess Jesus. At this time the Holy Spirit enters into this body and communes with your pre-existent spirit (that was only born once) and witnesses that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God. We become one with the Godhead and we are valiant for the cause of Christ in our second estate and our whole future is bright and full of joy.
I'm not sure if you are serious or you are mocking me. How many ways can you be born-again? I said the Holy Spirit communes with your spirit that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God, it also refreshes your spirit and you become one with the Godhead and you are supported in your valiant efforts to produce fruit for the Kingdom of God.
That seems to me to be a text-book born-again evangelical sermon. And according to evangelical teachings, if you are born again, you are saved from your sins. This is the whole reason for being born again, to repent and confess Jesus and be forgiven of your sins. Maybe you have another way that you are born-again, let us know?
I would agree that the pre-existence of the spirit is something you have to dig for and study a little deeper into the scriptures. But how God has ordained that the body be procreated on earth and then resurrected as a new and glorious, incorruptible body of flesh and bone is standard Bible and evangelical gospel. You would have to council God as to why He did what he did and perhaps explain to Him that it could have been done better.
The reason you went through the process of being born-again, is because you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God unless you are, says Jesus.
You may not be an angel and you may be fighting the flesh, but I think you are making a valiant effort for Christ here on earth, just like you did in the pre-exisstence.
I'm going to tell you why you don't remember the pre-existence. If you were completely aware of what happened in the pre-existence, your free will would be put at risk. The number one rule of God is that each man has the free will to choose good from evil. If you knew all, you would by compulsion choose good. Its almost like if you knew you had the best hand in a poker game, you would always pick the right way. What God does is give you a glimpse of the pre-existence through the scriptures, but not enough to get a full, unrestricted picture, and in that way he gives you enough to grow your faith, but not enough to destroy your free will.
Actually, the angels that fought with Satan, were cast down to the new earth with him and we call them demons and devils and evil spirits. Jesus and the apostles were confronted many times by satan and these evil spirits, who called Jesus by name and new exactly who he was because they had known him in the pre-existence. Today, we fight hard not to even come in contact with Satan and these evil spirits.
Anyone that has a body (you really don't know how important the flesh and bone body is to God) in this earth life, kept their first estate in the pre-existence and fought against Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels did not keep their first estate (they were thrown out of heaven in the pre-existence) and will not have an opportunity to receive a body, or be resurrected and be with Jesus in his throne. By forfeiting their first estate, their future is dark and ugly
I do not believe that there is a pre-existent spirit and then when Adam's flesh and bone body was formed, his pre-existent
spirit was sent off to some storage locker and a new spirit was breathed into Adams nostrils.
There is only 1 birth of the pre-existent spirit. This spirit is not reborn at the birth of a new flesh and blood body, it is just placed into it and continues to exist, but now united with the flesh and bone body. It is born-again later(only the second time) as you become aware of God and his gospel and you go to your knees and repent of your sins and confess Jesus. At this time the Holy Spirit enters into this body and communes with your pre-existent spirit (that was only born once) and witnesses that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God. We become one with the Godhead and we are valiant for the cause of Christ in our second estate and our whole future is bright and full of joy.
I'm not sure if you are serious or you are mocking me. How many ways can you be born-again? I said the Holy Spirit communes with your spirit that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God, it also refreshes your spirit and you become one with the Godhead and you are supported in your valiant efforts to produce fruit for the Kingdom of God.
That seems to me to be a text-book born-again evangelical sermon. And according to evangelical teachings, if you are born again, you are saved from your sins. This is the whole reason for being born again, to repent and confess Jesus and be forgiven of your sins. Maybe you have another way that you are born-again, let us know?
I would agree that the pre-existence of the spirit is something you have to dig for and study a little deeper into the scriptures. But how God has ordained that the body be procreated on earth and then resurrected as a new and glorious, incorruptible body of flesh and bone is standard Bible and evangelical gospel. You would have to council God as to why He did what he did and perhaps explain to Him that it could have been done better.
The reason you went through the process of being born-again, is because you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God unless you are, says Jesus.
You may not be an angel and you may be fighting the flesh, but I think you are making a valiant effort for Christ here on earth, just like you did in the pre-exisstence.
I'm going to tell you why you don't remember the pre-existence. If you were completely aware of what happened in the pre-existence, your free will would be put at risk. The number one rule of God is that each man has the free will to choose good from evil. If you knew all, you would by compulsion choose good. Its almost like if you knew you had the best hand in a poker game, you would always pick the right way. What God does is give you a glimpse of the pre-existence through the scriptures, but not enough to get a full, unrestricted picture, and in that way he gives you enough to grow your faith, but not enough to destroy your free will.
Actually, the angels that fought with Satan, were cast down to the new earth with him and we call them demons and devils and evil spirits. Jesus and the apostles were confronted many times by satan and these evil spirits, who called Jesus by name and new exactly who he was because they had known him in the pre-existence. Today, we fight hard not to even come in contact with Satan and these evil spirits.
Anyone that has a body (you really don't know how important the flesh and bone body is to God) in this earth life, kept their first estate in the pre-existence and fought against Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels did not keep their first estate (they were thrown out of heaven in the pre-existence) and will not have an opportunity to receive a body, or be resurrected and be with Jesus in his throne. By forfeiting their first estate, their future is dark and ugly
I've been enjoying our discussion!