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Human spirits do not burn. The human body will burn. The human brain (soul) will leave some ashes, but NOT the human spirit:
Revelation 14:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Revelation 14:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
J
Yes, for anybody believing we have spirits as the Bible states, that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, we have something that lives on, apart from the Holy Spirit, which is God.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Antichrist is the man of sin, a man. He is unregenerate and has something that lives on, that goes on in torment, despite the lake of fire.
Then there's the parable of Lazarus and the rich man of Luke 16, our Lord never making illustrations or teaching parables not of complete, even striking, analogy to truth, which would, otherwise, foster false doctrine.
So these things should be very sobering to anybody, when also taking into account the Lord Jesus telling us to pluck out an eye, cut off a hand, anything but be cast into hell.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Antichrist is the man of sin, a man. He is unregenerate and has something that lives on, that goes on in torment, despite the lake of fire.
Then there's the parable of Lazarus and the rich man of Luke 16, our Lord never making illustrations or teaching parables not of complete, even striking, analogy to truth, which would, otherwise, foster false doctrine.
So these things should be very sobering to anybody, when also taking into account the Lord Jesus telling us to pluck out an eye, cut off a hand, anything but be cast into hell.
H
YES, we will all be reminded of all the bad and all the good things we ever did, in life; whether we go to HEAVEN or in HELL. If we have repented of our sin and continue a life of repentance, and faith and good works in Jesus name, we will be saved. If we don't repent, etc. we will get our rewards in Hell. To ken, I did say where we will get our rewards as Christians. I believe we will be rewarded in the Millennium when we rule this earth with Jesus. I don't think you agree, because I think you don't believe in the Millennial reign of Christ on this earth, That is your error. Someone condemned someone for saying we are saved by works WITHOUT faith. I know of NO ONE who said that. I said, We are saved by GRACE which produces faith and good deeds, works, the holy living that God "prepared" for us to do. Eph.2:10 These good works are personal deeds we do and the ministry we have for the kingdom of God. Many preachers who teach "faith only" will be saved "by fire", the don't have many converts to go to Heaven with them. 1Cor. Love Hoffco
Lol! All you did is reached for a scripture to contradict scripture and this is done on a whimsical basis just to utter touche. The Law was made obsolete by Jesus who fulfilled it. THUS this does not grant a believer to sin haphazardly. For in the law there is no faith in Jesus....
Hebrews 8:12 “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deedsfn I will remember no more.” 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:12 “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deedsfn I will remember no more.” 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
E
Many see judgement as being accused of wrong doings but this is not so. We are Saved by Grace and Yes we will be judged as well but allow me to shed some Light on these areas. WE will receive crowns
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Blessings!!!!!!!
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Blessings!!!!!!!
C
Hoffco,
You accused me of preaching mere faith will save without even asking me if I were indeed saying that, although you know I do not.
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
That love you have for all at the end of every sermon, does it not seek brotherly forgiveness for falsely accusing another. I simple do not know why you are carrying this accusation into another post when you have previously commented and complimented me for having said that mere faith does not save.
You accused me of preaching mere faith will save without even asking me if I were indeed saying that, although you know I do not.
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
That love you have for all at the end of every sermon, does it not seek brotherly forgiveness for falsely accusing another. I simple do not know why you are carrying this accusation into another post when you have previously commented and complimented me for having said that mere faith does not save.
When talking about temporal judgement, the question is, where do I begin? If you have read some of the bible you would have come across at least one every other page in both the old and new testament.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
The afterlife judgement.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Verse 17 is another temporal judgement.
And I shouldn't have to show anything on the eternal judgement, but...
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
The afterlife judgement.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Verse 17 is another temporal judgement.
And I shouldn't have to show anything on the eternal judgement, but...
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
So you think that by misreading one scripture, we can discount all of the idea of God being one, that all scripture is of God speaking with one voice, that Paul is scripture and reports only of God so we can know that God is not against God principles, that Paul would never speak against what Christ said---your opinion just doesn't hold water. Scripture never says that it cancels scripture. To fulfill is never to cancel. If God is eternal, then an eternal God cannot change His principles, if God did He wouldn't be eternal. It would be impossible to follow your interpretation of a few scripture verses and follow God.
As followers of Christ, we must follow what Christ says in scripture and not what our minds tells us. Scripture never contradicts scripture and if we think so, we are going to have to search for the unity in scripture and we can't change God in order to understand God.
Scripture tells us that God is judging us by grace that we have through faith---nothing else. Scripture tells us that God has certain properties that we are not given, we are not given the right to judge other people and we are not given the right to determine our own salvation. These belong to only God. Yet scripture says God will look at our works when he judges! It is up to us to determine how both of these principles can be so, not to question the principles.
When we look further, we find that scripture tells us that if we have faith in all God tells us, then it will result in what we do. Saying we have faith and believing in the truth of what God says isn't enough, we are told, if we hold back on depending on this word so much we can't act on it, the faith means nothing. So it is the truth, it is only faith and grace, but that is gauged by whether our faith is strong enough we can act on it.
Scripture tells us that God is judging us by grace that we have through faith---nothing else. Scripture tells us that God has certain properties that we are not given, we are not given the right to judge other people and we are not given the right to determine our own salvation. These belong to only God. Yet scripture says God will look at our works when he judges! It is up to us to determine how both of these principles can be so, not to question the principles.
When we look further, we find that scripture tells us that if we have faith in all God tells us, then it will result in what we do. Saying we have faith and believing in the truth of what God says isn't enough, we are told, if we hold back on depending on this word so much we can't act on it, the faith means nothing. So it is the truth, it is only faith and grace, but that is gauged by whether our faith is strong enough we can act on it.
C
What I am saying? I was saying, 'What is the difference between these two statements'? Basically, I was asking for an answer as to what, if any, is the difference between them. I am sorry for the complication of that request. Allow me to rephrase, Can anyone see error within one or both of the statements OR do they say the same thing?
C
So you are saying that salvation is giving based on God's grace and faith has nothing to do with it? What then do we do with John 3:16 which says that 'whosoever shall believe"? If God promised salvation to those who believe and you are saying that is false, then you are saying that we do not need to put our trust in Christ for salvation. Is this correct?
I really do not understand this sudden state of being a false accuser from you. You are 71 years old and one would think that you would tie in all those other posts you have liked and commented on from me about mere faith being false and perhaps conclude you have misunderstood me.
If you do not apologize for this sudden and unfounded claim, you will loose all credibility with me.
I really do not understand this sudden state of being a false accuser from you. You are 71 years old and one would think that you would tie in all those other posts you have liked and commented on from me about mere faith being false and perhaps conclude you have misunderstood me.
If you do not apologize for this sudden and unfounded claim, you will loose all credibility with me.
Where is the referee to infer anyone misread anything? Again it is most apparent that some of you provide yourselves a stage to humiliate the pleasure of sharing in what could be a civil dialogue, however where you have no effect in actually utilizing the Word of God to win souls; you argue a point that is in fact pointless for the sake of being heard. Consider your motives and is it healthy? ...Philippians 2:14 Do all things without complaining and disputing,
J
Amen, brother!
1 Corinthians 13:1-3 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
1 Corinthians 13:1-3 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
H
To Cfultz3 , superMan9 ,hit the hail on its head, Please try to be a little less emotional and forgive me when you see me ,MAYBE, make a mistake. But the Confusion was on your part, my brother,. I know the good posts you have made and I "LIKED"; SO, why?? , I now see Why, ?? I think.?? you made the two statements, NOT that you teach them , I think you asked them to show someone the stupidity of them. Am I right? Love Hoffco