Why Does Repent Never Occur With "Salvation"?

[Atwood]

Apparently the two words repent and save never occur in the same verse in the Bible.
And I include variations, having done a non-exact search on the ASV, literal translation.
It does appear that the two words repent (repentance, repents, repented, etc.) and save (salvation, Savior, saves, saved, etc.) never occur in the same verse in the Bible.

Or can someone show me a verse I missed on this?
Yes, you can find verses that say that repentance has some good result for people and that not repenting has a bad result; but that is not the question. You do not find, for example, "Repent of your sins, and you shall be saved."

Could it be that the Lord does not want men to erroneously think that turning over a new leaf saves? Of course metanoia is not being sorry for sins and turning over a new leaf anyway; it is a change of mind. And as scripture so often says that salvation comes just for believing/having faith, it is obvious that changing mind from non-belief to belief saves. But the fact remains (unless you can help me find a verse) that scripture never even puts save and repent in the same verse!

The question is

Why don't the actual words repent and save occur together in some verse of the Bible?

 

[Blain]

Well in my experience there are two kinds of Repentance- one is to repent just to say it not truly meaning it the other is true repentance where you are deeply sorry and are willing to do anything to change or make up for what you did. If we are not willing to truly be sorry and truly change our ways how can we hope to be saved? God wants all our hearts not just the parts we are willing to give

 

[dcontroversal]

What did Jesus mean when he preached....?

The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Sure seems like SALVATION is inferred here..............

 

[crossnote]

To me 'repent' and 'believe' are two words 'from the opposite sides of the same coin'.

'Repent' is a turning AWAY from all else.

'Faith/believe' is a turning TO Christ and Him alone.

Both are needed. Both occur simultaneously in salvation.

Acts 17:27, 30-31 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

 

[dcontroversal]

To me 'repent' and 'believe' are two words 'from the opposite sides of the same coin'.

'Repent' is a turning AWAY from all else.

'Faith/believe' is a turning TO Christ and Him alone.Both are needed. Both occur simultaneously in salvation.

Acts 17:27, 30-31 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Awesome truth for sure.......Thank God for Jesus being raised from the dead.............!

 

[RedTent]

Apparently the two words repent and save never occur in the same verse in the Bible.
And I include variations, having done a non-exact search on the ASV, literal translation.
It does appear that the two words repent (repentance, repents, repented, etc.) and save (salvation, Savior, saves, saved, etc.) never occur in the same verse in the Bible.

Or can someone show me a verse I missed on this?
Yes, you can find verses that say that repentance has some good result for people and that not repenting has a bad result; but that is not the question. You do not find, for example, "Repent of your sins, and you shall be saved."

Could it be that the Lord does not want men to erroneously think that turning over a new leaf saves? Of course metanoia is not being sorry for sins and turning over a new leaf anyway; it is a change of mind. And as scripture so often says that salvation comes just for believing/having faith, it is obvious that changing mind from non-belief to belief saves. But the fact remains (unless you can help me find a verse) that scripture never even puts save and repent in the same verse!

The question is

Why don't the actual words repent and save occur together in some verse of the Bible?

We are saved through grace and faith, that is of scripture. When we have absolute faith in scripture and how the Lord speaks to us, we don't try to question the Lord constantly, we accept what he says. To put the Lord on your witness stand to answer the question of why didn't the Lord give His instructions in the manner you want them is unreasonable. We love the Lord and accept His word. We are to repent of our sins, it is enough, yet.

 

[EmethAlethia]

Well, I am not overly concerned with exact wording, but more with the content of what is said pertaining to repentance. Here are a few verses:

Eze_18:32 "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live."

First the idea of repenting, and thus "living" or not repenting, and thus "dying". One could make a case that repentance = salvation from death.

Mar_1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

Here we have a joining of the words repent and believe. Furthermore, the context does again have to do with salvation. A case could be made for "Repenting & Believing the gospel = Salvation"


Mar_6:12 They went out and preached that men should repent.

Why not: "They went out and preached that men should believe." It seems that the message of repentance might be more important. Question: If you truly believe do you also repent? According to scripture, do you truly believe if you do not repent? Is this true: Godly Repentance = Godly Belief = Salvation?

Luk_13:3 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

It sounds like repentance = salvation from perishing.

Luk_13:5 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."

Repetitively redundant over and over, but same thing. LOL

Act_2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Here I would say Repentance --> baptism ---> Saved from sins + Holy Spirit
That last part seems to be pretty close to "salvation"

Act_3:19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Repentance, returning = salvation from the consequences of your sins

Act_17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Sounds like repentance and "saving" faith are synonyms

Act_26:20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.


Repentance, turning to God, living in accordance with the professed repentance

It sounds to me like everything is pretty much consistent.

 

[EmethAlethia]

One more:

2Co 7:9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For behold what earnestness this very thing, this godly sorrow, has produced in you: what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what avenging of wrong! In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter.


If you need them both together, and the relationship between them, in the same verse, there you have it.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Luke 17:3-4 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Our Lord Jesus taught the linkage between repentance and forgiveness. There. Now you know "the rest of the story."

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

(NLT)
Ezekiel 33:9 But if you warn them to repent and they don’t repent, they will die in their sins, but you will have saved yourself.

(KJV)
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

[Atwood]

What did Jesus mean when he preached....?

The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Sure seems like SALVATION is inferred here..............

but "salvation" is not uttered.

I take it that what the Lord Jesus meant there was:

The time is fulfilled:

The time for Messiah to come was fulfilled, Daniel's 69 weeks (of years) was realized at the time that Christ ministered on earth per Daniel 9. The promised Davidic King had come.

The Kingdom of Heaven:

Heaven is a circumlocution for "God," as is shown in parallel passages in the gospels. Where one says "Kingdom of God" while Mat says, "Kingdom of Heaven." Probably as Mat is a Jewish gospel, Heaven avoids using the name of God. Dan 2:44 "And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom."

This is the Davidic Kingdom of God promised Israel in the OT, to be fulfilled when national repentance of Israel occurs. (see 2 Sam 7, etc.). That Kingdom includes the exaltation of Israel over the nations and blessings on earth, as well as spiritual blessings.

Is at hand:

Or "has come near" The verb is not present tense, but perfect tense; previous to the statement, it in the past came near, but the significance of that coming hear impinges on the present.

Repent:

Change your mind; change from disbelief to belief, change from worshipping self or any other idol to worshipping God, change from choosing sin to choosing to honor God. This is the condition for receiving the Davidic Kingdom.

Israel wanted the physical blessings and to be delivered from Rome. But Israel did not meet the condition. Instead, Israel delivered up their Messiah to be crucified. Thus Israel did not receive the Davidic Kingdom at that time. The Lord of course knew they would not repent nor receive that Kingdom then. There is a gap in Dan's 70 weeks in which the Messiah would be cut off and the times of the Gentiles would continue. The gap is now about 2000 years long!

and believe the good news.

This is the special good news (gospel) of the Kingdom, a message special to Israel in Christ's ministry, but it again shall be proclaimed in the Tribulation. This gospel of the Kingdom must be spread through the world before Christ returns to earth to sort out the earth. "This gospel" is not the Christian gospel of salvation, but it overlaps to the extent that in both cases, Repent (change mind) from disbelief to belief brings the blessing available.

This kingdom proclamation is (IMHO) the special keynote of Christ's teaching on earth to Israel. John the Baptist proclaimed it, Christ proclaimed it; in Mat 10 the Lord Jesus sent out the 12 to proclaim it. The Lord Jesus did the miracles and demonstrated that He could effect this Kingdom. He fed 5000 men (+women & children) showing that He could provide the physical needs of Israel. They wanted the food (which was not evil), but they did not want to repent, have a change of mind including a turning from wanting sin to trusting the Messiah.

 

[Atwood]

(NLT)
Ezekiel 33:9 But if you warn them to repent and they don’t repent, they will die in their sins, but you will have saved yourself.

Thanks a lot for showing me this verse. I note that you are using what I think is a paraphrastic version, not good for doctrine.

ASV:

"9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it, and he turn not from his way; he shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul."

The literal ASV does not say either repent or "save," which is why I didn't find it with my search. Deliver is a similar word to save. The NT word for repent (metanoia) does not have a morpheme for "turn." And metanoia does not mean to change behavior, but change thinking. To be sure to change thinking will result in changing behavior.

Also the "delivered thy soul" makes sense only as deliverance from physical death, a chastisement that believers may receive. Works do not save (in the sense of receiving a new birth & eternal life) in scripture.

Also, the "turn from" here is not relevant to the prophet who delivers his soul. It is not that the prophet is told to repent to save his soul, nor is the wicked told if he repents he saves his soul.

So this paraphrase is close to finding repent & save in the save verse, though disconnected as to subjects (not the same person turning who delivers).

As to Acts 2:37-39,
it doesn't meet the criteria of the thread, since no word "save" (salvation/Savior) occurs in it. I don't argue that there is no concept of salvation in it, only that it is not an instance where repent and save occur in the same verse. And the question might be asked, why wasn't "save" used in it?

 

[Atwood]

Luke 17:3-4 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Our Lord Jesus taught the linkage between repentance and forgiveness. There. Now you know "the rest of the story."

There is such a thing as "wood-shed" forgiveness (deliverance from chastisement), which is what that is about.

But it doesn't meet the thread criterion anyway, which is to find repent and "save" in the same verse. I am not looking for places where good things follow repent and bad things follow not-repent, but where save occurs with repent.

 

[Atwood]

Bingo! Not "Repent," but "Repentance" does co-occur!

One more:

2Co 7:9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For behold what earnestness this very thing, this godly sorrow, has produced in you: what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what avenging of wrong! In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter.

If you need them both together, and the relationship between them, in the same verse, there you have it.

Excellent. Somehow my search engine didn't find it. Congratulations. Thank you very much.

 

[just-me]

Apparently the two words repent and save never occur in the same verse in the Bible.
And I include variations, having done a non-exact search on the ASV, literal translation.
It does appear that the two words repent (repentance, repents, repented, etc.) and save (salvation, Savior, saves, saved, etc.) never occur in the same verse in the Bible.

Or can someone show me a verse I missed on this?
Yes, you can find verses that say that repentance has some good result for people and that not repenting has a bad result; but that is not the question. You do not find, for example, "Repent of your sins, and you shall be saved."

Could it be that the Lord does not want men to erroneously think that turning over a new leaf saves? Of course metanoia is not being sorry for sins and turning over a new leaf anyway; it is a change of mind. And as scripture so often says that salvation comes just for believing/having faith, it is obvious that changing mind from non-belief to belief saves. But the fact remains (unless you can help me find a verse) that scripture never even puts save and repent in the same verse!

The question is

Why don't the actual words repent and save occur together in some verse of the Bible?

Saved from sin is salvation. To be forgiven is escaping the punishment for the infraction of sin. God is a God of equity. Try repent and forgiven or repent and forgive instead. Try repent with perish and believe. It has everything to do with loving God because He loves us, salvation, and loving our neighbor as ourselves so we can heal relationships that are severed.

Confession always accompanies repentance. Try confession with healed and cleanse.

 

[Jimbone]

[/COLOR]
Thanks a lot for showing me this verse. I note that you are using what I think is a paraphrastic version, not good for doctrine.

ASV:

[/SIZE]"9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it, and he turn not from his way; he shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul."

The literal ASV does not say either repent or "save," which is why I didn't find it with my search. Deliver is a similar word to save. The NT word for repent (metanoia) does not have a morpheme for "turn." And metanoia does not mean to change behavior, but change thinking. To be sure to change thinking will result in changing behavior.

Also the "delivered thy soul" makes sense only as deliverance from physical death, a chastisement that believers may receive. Works do not save (in the sense of receiving a new birth & eternal life) in scripture.

Also, the "turn from" here is not relevant to the prophet who delivers his soul. It is not that the prophet is told to repent to save his soul, nor is the wicked told if he repents he saves his soul.

So this paraphrase is close to finding repent & save in the save verse, though disconnected as to subjects (not the same person turning who delivers).

As to Acts 2:37-39,
it doesn't meet the criteria of the thread, since no word "save" (salvation/Savior) occurs in it. I don't argue that there is no concept of salvation in it, only that it is not an instance where repent and save occur in the same verse. And the question might be asked, why wasn't "save" used in it?

I am wondering what your main point is going to be. Is repenting a bad thing to you? Are you saying we should not repent? I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to prove here? Is it ok to repent after you're saved? Or is it just once we are saved it's right back to business as usual? I don't understand the anti-repentance argument fully, can you (or anyone) explain it to me better?

 

[dcontroversal]

but "salvation" is not uttered.

I take it that what the Lord Jesus meant there was:

The time is fulfilled:

The time for Messiah to come was fulfilled, Daniel's 69 weeks (of years) was realized at the time that Christ ministered on earth per Daniel 9. The promised Davidic King had come.

The Kingdom of Heaven:

Heaven is a circumlocution for "God," as is shown in parallel passages in the gospels. Where one says "Kingdom of God" while Mat says, "Kingdom of Heaven." Probably as Mat is a Jewish gospel, Heaven avoids using the name of God. Dan 2:44 "And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom."

This is the Davidic Kingdom of God promised Israel in the OT, to be fulfilled when national repentance of Israel occurs. (see 2 Sam 7, etc.). That Kingdom includes the exaltation of Israel over the nations and blessings on earth, as well as spiritual blessings.

Is at hand:

Or "has come near" The verb is not present tense, but perfect tense; previous to the statement, it in the past came near, but the significance of that coming hear impinges on the present.

Repent:

Change your mind; change from disbelief to belief, change from worshipping self or any other idol to worshipping God, change from choosing sin to choosing to honor God. This is the condition for receiving the Davidic Kingdom.

Israel wanted the physical blessings and to be delivered from Rome. But Israel did not meet the condition. Instead, Israel delivered up their Messiah to be crucified. Thus Israel did not receive the Davidic Kingdom at that time. The Lord of course knew they would not repent nor receive that Kingdom then. There is a gap in Dan's 70 weeks in which the Messiah would be cut off and the times of the Gentiles would continue. The gap is now about 2000 years long!

and believe the good news.

This is the special good news (gospel) of the Kingdom, a message special to Israel in Christ's ministry, but it again shall be proclaimed in the Tribulation. This gospel of the Kingdom must be spread through the world before Christ returns to earth to sort out the earth. "This gospel" is not the Christian gospel of salvation, but it overlaps to the extent that in both cases, Repent (change mind) from disbelief to belief brings the blessing available.

This kingdom proclamation is (IMHO) the special keynote of Christ's teaching on earth to Israel. John the Baptist proclaimed it, Christ proclaimed it; in Mat 10 the Lord Jesus sent out the 12 to proclaim it. The Lord Jesus did the miracles and demonstrated that He could effect this Kingdom. He fed 5000 men (+women & children) showing that He could provide the physical needs of Israel. They wanted the food (which was not evil), but they did not want to repent, have a change of mind including a turning from wanting sin to trusting the Messiah.

Except a man be born again he CANNOT SEE/PERCIEVE/ENTER into the KINGDOM of God/Heaven.........again it seems very plausible that SALVATION is IMPLIED in my view.....

 

[JesusIsAll]

But it doesn't meet the thread criterion anyway, which is to find repent and "save" in the same verse.

Well, then, what's the point? You can't use a Bible program or web Bibles to check this out yourself? Is there some doctrine of coincident placement of words in verse numbers, numbers which don't even really exist in the Bible text? Further, you dissertate on repentance being questionable, yet I shouldn't post something shedding light on this?

Anyway, Atwood, I don't know if your underwear is too tight or what, that you can go on for hundreds of posts, bickering over the same OSAS thing, until repeating yourself has become a mantra. But I find it quite heartening you're not shouting big letters, yet. LOL!

 

[Elin]

Apparently the two words repent and save never occur in the same verse in the Bible.
And I include variations, having done a non-exact search on the ASV, literal translation.
It does appear that the two words repent (repentance, repents, repented, etc.) and save (salvation, Savior, saves, saved, etc.) never occur in the same verse in the Bible.

Or can someone show me a verse I missed on this?
Yes, you can find verses that say that repentance has some good result for people and that not repenting has a bad result; but that is not the question. You do not find, for example, "Repent of your sins, and you shall be saved."

Could it be that the Lord does not want men to erroneously think that turning over a new leaf saves? Of course metanoia is not being sorry for sins and turning over a new leaf anyway; it is a change of mind. And as scripture so often says that salvation comes just for believing/having faith, it is obvious that changing mind from non-belief to belief saves. But the fact remains (unless you can help me find a verse) that scripture never even puts save and repent in the same verse!

The question is

Why don't the actual words repent and save occur together in some verse of the Bible?

And this is the basis of a theology?

 

[PleasureEden]

[h=4]2 Corinthians 7:10[/h]For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.