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Romans 1:19-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (Jesus Christ is GOD the Creator - {Col. 1:16-19}), even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,
look at verse 21...although they knew God,they did not glorify him as God....(they glorify him as a trinity) nowhere in scripture did God say to glorify him as trinity...yet men do and reject the truth
 
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It is very easy to establish that there is only one God. But the very fact that there is a Father suggests there is a Son, there is no Father without offspring. And the fact that this son is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father would tell us that This son is not created but eternally begotten, in the bosom of the Father ,eternally begotten, since God is LOVE. Love to all Hoffco
Since we have established there is only one God ....let us now establish there is only one LORD Jesus Christ...no buts

1 Corinthians 8:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
 
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Since we have established there is only one God ....let us now establish there is only one LORD Jesus Christ...no buts
No buts. . .The NT shows that Jesus is likewise God, equal with God the Father,
and the Holy Spirit is God, equal with God the Son and God the Father.

The NT shows that there are three individual persons in the one being of God.
 
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No buts. . .The NT shows that Jesus is likewise God, equal with God the Father,
and the Holy Spirit is God, equal with God the Son and God the Father.

The NT shows that there are three individual persons in the one being of God.
This makes no sense. "Three individual persons" by mere definition denotes more than one.
 

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This makes no sense. "Three individual persons" by mere definition denotes more than one.
You cannot have a donut hole without the donut. Two separate things but one entity. Same concept applies to God but in three's.
 
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And you thought studying Jewish Law was a waste of time.
Which has nothing to do with Jesus being God the Son.

And under the law, Jesus was the son of Joseph.

Jesus was conceived of God the Holy Spirit.
That makes him God's begotten Son, not by title, but by conception and birth.


OH, by the way the Trinity certainly is in the OT also, you have just blinded yourself to it.

Jeremiah 29:13 (ASV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Please show where Trinity is found in Jer 29:13.

Here is the company you keep, when you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:19-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (Jesus Christ is GOD the Creator - {Col. 1:16-19}), even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Agreed.
 
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No my friend ...take a closer look every verse states God is one like it or not you cannot deny that...
Indeed, God is one. . .and the NT shows there are three individual persons in the one being of God; i.e.,
God the Father,
God the Son, Jesus Christ, and
God the Holy Spirit.
 
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You cannot have a donut hole without the donut. Two separate things but one entity. Same concept applies to God but in three's.
A donut hole is a byproduct of a donut with a hole in it. I won't get into the trinity thing but as I stated in the baptism thread, I will only debate it when we use it to condemn others for not believing in it.
 
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No buts. . .The NT shows that Jesus is likewise God, equal with God the Father,
and the Holy Spirit is God, equal with God the Son and God the Father.

The NT shows that there are three individual persons in the one being of God.
three people living in one house = three people and one house if the three people are all equal they are still three people and one house....if the house and the three people constitutes one being then that is three plus one = four becoming one....There is one God, the word was with God, the word was God, the word became flesh ...we saw the word as the only begotten of the Father. When all is finishes the word returns to God ...
[h=1]1 Corinthians 15:26-28King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 15:26-28Names of God Bible (NOG)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy he will destroy is death. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Clearly, God has put everything under Christ’s authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ’s authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ’s authority. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But when God puts everything under Christ’s authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, since God had put everything under the Son’s authority. Then God will be in control of everything.


[h=1]1 Corinthians 15:26-28Living Bible (TLB)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]including the last enemy—death. This too must be defeated and ended. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When Christ has finally won the battle against all his enemies, then he, the Son of God, will put himself also under his Father’s orders, so that God who has given him the victory over everything else will be utterly supreme.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 15:26-28American Standard Version (ASV)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.







[h=1]1 Corinthians 15:26-28New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
 
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Romans 1:19-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (Jesus Christ is GOD the Creator - {Col. 1:16-19}), even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,

look at verse 21...although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God....(they glorify him as a trinity) nowhere in scripture did God say to glorify him as trinity...yet men do and reject the truth
That is a freakishly weird interpretation.

Jesus commanded that we be baptized in the name of the Trinity.
 
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Elin said:
No buts. . .The NT shows that Jesus is likewise God, equal with God the Father,
and the Holy Spirit is God, equal with God the Son and God the Father.

The NT shows that there are three individual persons in the one being of God.
This makes no sense. "Three individual persons" by mere definition denotes more than one.
Revelatory Rule #1: Divine revelation of the Infinite is not subject to finite human reasoning.
 
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Does Jesus have a beginning or end, or has he already existed?

1. Jesus always existed without beginning or end.
2. Jesus did not always exist and has a beginning.

Which one is true? 1 or 2?
 
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A donut hole is a byproduct of a donut with a hole in it. I won't get into the trinity thing but as I stated in the baptism thread, I will only debate it when we use it to condemn others for not believing in it.
You are not an orthodox Christian if you do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, a fundamental of Christianity.
 
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You are not an orthodox Christian if you do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, a fundamental of Christianity.
I am no label nor did I say that I did not believe Christ was God.
 
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There is one God, the word was with God, the word was God, the word became flesh ...we saw the word as the only begotten of the Father.
Couldn't be any plainer that Jesus is God the Son.

When all is finishes the word returns to God ...
Where he is seated at the right hand of God the Father until the consummation of all things
at the end of time when he returns to earth in a second coming.
 
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Does Jesus have a beginning or end, or has he already existed?

1. Jesus always existed without beginning or end.
2. Jesus did not always exist and has a beginning.

Which one is true? 1 or 2?
God the Son's human body did not always exist and had a beginning.
God the Son always existed without beginning or end.
 
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Elin said:
You are not an orthodox Christian if you do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, a fundamental of Christianity.
I am no label nor did I say that I did not believe Christ was God.
Which does not disagree with my statement.

If you are a Christian, you are a label.
 
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Every sin has to be judged and every good deed will be revealed. Even if someone's judgement is a forgiven sin on account of Christ's blood- that's just the outcome, but we still have to go through the process of judgment no matter what the outcome will be- because that is God's way.
Kaycie, you are correct I believe God affords us grace because he knows we are not perfect. Grace is for those who believe in and follow Jesus. We all do not have the same abilities and through grace judgment of our own capabilities in faith is applied. Does the person who has everything in life have the same challenges as the homeless? Without grace judgment would be the same for both. Gods wisdom supersedes us all.