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Some would rather stand by and hope someone else gets involved so they don't have to. Instead of taking the initiative and having the chutzpah to step up and intervene!! But nooo, all too often people stand and watch, but figure someone else will step in, but that someone else may be thinking the same thing, and NOBODY ends up stepping in!!
I find it humorous that a woman such as myself has more bravery than some of you when it comes to doing the right thing when someone is being hurt!! lmbo
JUST SAYIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I find it humorous that a woman such as myself has more bravery than some of you when it comes to doing the right thing when someone is being hurt!! lmbo
JUST SAYIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel He'd be thinking more something alone the lines of "Why are they letting a hypothetical situation cause such a "thing" between themselves, just love each other, you all have your purposes and your all mine anyway."
Just my opinion, but I try to tell my dad that when he says stuff like "I don't think I could let someone hurt my family, I have to kill'em", and let that be a reason to keep away from truth. I tell him you can't let hypotheticals keep you from God, or loving each other. We need people preaching peace and we may need the ones that will act to protect us too one day, HE loves them both.
Just my opinion, but I try to tell my dad that when he says stuff like "I don't think I could let someone hurt my family, I have to kill'em", and let that be a reason to keep away from truth. I tell him you can't let hypotheticals keep you from God, or loving each other. We need people preaching peace and we may need the ones that will act to protect us too one day, HE loves them both.
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But it's not always hypothetical, though. These things happen EVERY DAY, and people bypass them because they don't wanna get involved. People like Jason would rather stand there and pray while it happens, instead of stepping in, and not realizing that maybe God is using HIM as an answer to that prayer as a means of stopping the crime-in-progress!! My prayer would be "God help me save this person," NOT "God send somebody ELSE to save this person so I don't have to"!!
You don't have to kill the other person to stop them, but if force is necessary, then that's what you gotta do. By force, I mean you grab a stick, or a bat or SOMETHING!! Throw your cellphone at their head!! ANYTHING to distract them away from hurting the other person.
Making excuses for not doing anything is just cowardly and wrong, IMO. Just sayin..
You don't have to kill the other person to stop them, but if force is necessary, then that's what you gotta do. By force, I mean you grab a stick, or a bat or SOMETHING!! Throw your cellphone at their head!! ANYTHING to distract them away from hurting the other person.
Making excuses for not doing anything is just cowardly and wrong, IMO. Just sayin..
I would also like to add that this conversation did serve His purpose for me personally. I hadn't given this much though since my regeneration, and I have to say I hear some of His presence in both sides of the debate, and it has brought me to the conclusion I wrote above, so even this conversation its self, had a purpose for me at least (I'm sure others as well I just didn't want to speak for anyone else). Thought I should add that.
Well how about this, He will make sure one of US that will do something is around when it's needed. And if He needs someone to speak peace to keep someone from doing something bad I trust He will provide that when it's needed as well. If you need an excuse to bicker this is a good one, but I trust Him in ALL things, and I am commanded to love all His people too, even if we disagree. We all have a role, and they are not all the same.
I disagree bro, To say He will send us to protect people cause we will (okay, fine) but it's not a different person to speak peace. We also do that. We are all things for Christ. We "defenders" are not just muscle, we are spiritual ambassadors as well. What we have here are "spiritually crippled christians" and there is no excuse.
And though you may think we are "bickering" I honestly have no hope that Jason or anyone else will change their view. I can't cure the blind, I have been constantly stating what I have for the people who don't know what to do, it's for those people (mostly the nameless guests who can't comment) who may be reading this thread and have no more exposure to the topic, they need to know the truth and hiding behind their faith is not Christian, and protecting themselves and their children is not a sin.
And though you may think we are "bickering" I honestly have no hope that Jason or anyone else will change their view. I can't cure the blind, I have been constantly stating what I have for the people who don't know what to do, it's for those people (mostly the nameless guests who can't comment) who may be reading this thread and have no more exposure to the topic, they need to know the truth and hiding behind their faith is not Christian, and protecting themselves and their children is not a sin.
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Well if that's how you want to look at it then that's between you and Him. I can say nothing about what He leads you to do, and that's my point. We are each parts of the same body, do all the part serve the same purpose? Can a body of all hands walk? How about eat? Should we all feel just like you and if we don't "we" are wrong? Again I agree with your view, and feel I would be one that does something, but because Jason doesn't feel that way doesn't mean Jesus loves him less then you, or vice versa. You can demand your view be everybody's, and just because they differ doesn't make you automatically right. All of us got the same Spirit, period. We have one King to guide us, and it is not any CC user I assure you.
I understand what you mean though and who's to say what God would lead Jason to do in that REAL situation, he doesn't even know until he's faced with it.
I understand what you mean though and who's to say what God would lead Jason to do in that REAL situation, he doesn't even know until he's faced with it.
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It's pretty clear many have religion, but religion that begs the question what it has to do with the Spirit of Christ. For instance, how much in Christ can people really be, who don't seem to have spiritual eyes to understand basic doctrine agreed upon by generations of Spirit filled Christians? One can understand differences over the hard things, like the burning of weapons in Ezekiel 39, but misunderstand the idiot proof verses? Something's not quite right. And you see more and more across-the-board error coming out of some people.
Where in the world did I ever propose that we do nothing to save a child in danger? You are putting words in my mouth if you believe that. I never once ever said to not do anything to save a child from someone who might harm them. As I said before, I will TAKE ACTION physically (But in a non violent way) to stop an attacker who is going to hurt a child. This could involve:
#1. Wrestling with the attacker so as to restrain them (Until help can arrive).
#2. Praying for God to help. If you don't believe God can help, then I have to question the power of the type of God you worship.
#3. Rebuking them in the name of Jesus Christ to stop! If you don't believe there is power in the name of Jesus, then what is the purpose of asking things within His name?
#4. Telling them about Jesus Christ and His love. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolisnness. Do you believe you can perish foolishness with the preaching of the cross? Do you really believe that, my friend?
#5. Calling God's ministers of justice (i.e. the police) to help bring order to a situation where the above is not applicable. For example: Your neighbor might come to your house and say their daughter is captured by a mad killer. It is not wrong for a Christian to call the police in this instance.
#1. Wrestling with the attacker so as to restrain them (Until help can arrive).
#2. Praying for God to help. If you don't believe God can help, then I have to question the power of the type of God you worship.
#3. Rebuking them in the name of Jesus Christ to stop! If you don't believe there is power in the name of Jesus, then what is the purpose of asking things within His name?
#4. Telling them about Jesus Christ and His love. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolisnness. Do you believe you can perish foolishness with the preaching of the cross? Do you really believe that, my friend?
#5. Calling God's ministers of justice (i.e. the police) to help bring order to a situation where the above is not applicable. For example: Your neighbor might come to your house and say their daughter is captured by a mad killer. It is not wrong for a Christian to call the police in this instance.
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But if I see a gun on the table and I know I could shoot the attacker to protect the child? That situation is different. I am not called to kill people. I am commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to not overcome evil with evil, but to overcome evil with good. I am commanded to love my enemies. Shooting them is not loving. In other words, what if the person you shoot turns out to be a believer? What if the person you shoot turns out to be somebody whose family is being held hostage and they had no choice but to do what they are doing? What if the person you shoot is your long lost brother you have been searching for all your life?
But what if you walked in the room and you shot the person who you thought was holding a child hostage without looking closer in the dark and it turned out that you ended shooting your wife who was tied up into a position to make it look like she was holding a child hostage. What then?
What if you went back in time and you seen Hitler was the child who was about to be killed by an attacker?
Would you let the child die?
What if you went back in time and you seen Hitler was the child who was about to be killed by an attacker?
Would you let the child die?
C'mon Jason... Really? This isn't about fear. It's about protection. If you are scared in the dark in your own home where your children and your wife reside and you are walking around the hallways with a gun and a twitch you definitely shouldn't own a gun... However if when you drive your car what if your tire fell off and you skid across the road and killed a non believer?! maybe you should ride a bike...
See, all life is precious in God's sight and all men deserve a chance to repent. God is the giver and taker of life. Not you. God's people could only take life if He told them to take life specifically. If a person were to take a life without God saying so that would be called murder. You don't have sanction from God to kill. And you are not God to be the giver and taker of life.