Scotland Referendum

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Desdichado

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eerrmmm... your responses sound like whining to me... LOL
I was actually about to point that out too. I would have been better off not responding to criticisms of my original whining comment.
 
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Herbie2k

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All i know is that Scotland is welding power via the vote. Sure they didn't get independence, but now they have major influence in it's own Future and the UK as a whole.
 

Petals

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She's running into a common refuge of someone who is either unwilling or unable to provide an actual argument.

"Your opinion is invalid because x."
Fyi, I did make an explanation as to why we wanted our independance, you just need to look back on the earlier comments on this thread to find out!
 
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MadParrotWoman

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OK let's turn this completely around. Why can't the English have a referendum to decide if WE want to in fact remain part of Scotland, Wales and NI??? Why are the Scots the only ones to get a choice? Does that seem right and fair.

I'm getting sick of the negativity too. Scotland get many privileges the English don't get yet they are always complaining they are "hard done by".


(feeling patriotic now) There will always be an England...as the song goes!
 

Desdichado

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Fyi, I did make an explanation as to why we wanted our independance, you just need to look back on the earlier comments on this thread to find out!
OK let's turn this completely around. Why can't the English have a referendum to decide if WE want to in fact remain part of Scotland, Wales and NI??? Why are the Scots the only ones to get a choice? Does that seem right and fair.

I'm getting sick of the negativity too. Scotland get many privileges the English don't get yet they are always complaining they are "hard done by".


(feeling patriotic now) There will always be an England...as the song goes!
I predict that is the direction English MP's will head. They will likely demand their own home rule council based on the privileges Scotland's have.

Home rule councils invariably lead to independent countries. Yes Petals, you probably won't get a referendum, but who says you'll need one?

Don't thank Alex Salmond. Thank Blairite devolution policy.
 

Desdichado

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Come to think of it, that might be bad news for some of the Scots who voted No.
 

Petals

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I'm getting sick of the negativity too. Scotland get many privileges the English don't get yet they are always complaining they are "hard done by".
I'm sorry but the negativity on this thread is all being aimed at Scots who want what is supposed to be a good thing for them, all you're doing is turning it into a negative thing.. so the negativity is coming from you. I don't appreciate this constant thing where the English accuse Scottish of scrounging off of them.. we pay our taxes up here you know that? What do we work & pay our taxes for? Just for you to accuse us of not paying our fair share? After being badly represented by the media, the Yes vote were never gonna get a win with all the scaremongering. Which is why I'm all the more disappointed with the result. If both sides had been represented fairly & equally by the media then I wouldn't be so disappointed.
 
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It's probable that the long-term economic and political ramifications of a sovereign Scotland would be generally negative. In my opinion, there's simply no justifiable reason to contend that independence would've been sensible. As succinctly stated by another poster in this thread, it's insanity.

There's a good chance the "change" you'd be looking forward to wouldn't be anything like you're unjustifiably romanticizing.
Actually it would have meant an infrastructure and investment boom, with many many new opportunities.
 
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jennymae

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Do statements of fact always vex you?
No, not at all, but the lack of manners and common sense do...there was absolutely no need of bringing "God save the Queen" to this thread on that day...
 

Desdichado

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No, not at all, but the lack of manners and common sense do...there was absolutely no need of bringing "God save the Queen" to this thread on that day...
55% of Scotland voted to keep that their national anthem. Posting it triumphantly on an internet forum in response is hardly a crime against civility.

Would you have had the same reaction if someone posted "Flower of Scotland" after a Yes vote?

People and their emotions, I swear.
 
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Once-upon-a-time was a man that maintained a neighborhood. In error, the man presented his wife a bill of divorce. She could have left the man and done well on her own. Yea she would have even been justified to divorce her husband for it was he that presented her with the bill of divorce. However, had she divorced her husband the neighborhood would fall to disrepair. The woman forgave her husband and chose to stay with her husband.

Is it not fit that the neighbors when hearing of the woman's choice to stay should praise God, rejoice, and sing happy songs about the man and the woman's marriage?
 
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jennymae

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No, it is not a crime, it just aint fitting.
 
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jennymae

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Once-upon-a-time was a man that maintained a neighborhood. In error, the man presented his wife a bill of divorce. She could have left the man and done well on her own. Yea she would have even been justified to divorce her husband for it was he that presented her with the bill of divorce. However, had she divorced her husband the neighborhood would fall to disrepair. The woman forgave her husband and chose to stay with her husband.

Is it not fit that the neighbors when hearing of the woman's choice to stay should praise God, rejoice, and sing happy songs about the man and the woman's marriage?
Like back in 1865?
 
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Like back in 1865?
If you are referring to the American Civil War that parable would be:

There once was an ungodly and adulterous woman that cheated on her righteous husband. The righteous husband went forth and slew her filthy adulterous lover and dashed the heads of the children of her whoredom against the wall. The man valiantly took back his wife, forgave her, and restored her to her rightful position. And the happy man sang with joy "Glory, Glory, Hallelujah, God's truth goes marching on."
 
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MadParrotWoman

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I'm sorry but the negativity on this thread is all being aimed at Scots who want what is supposed to be a good thing for them, all you're doing is turning it into a negative thing.. so the negativity is coming from you. I don't appreciate this constant thing where the English accuse Scottish of scrounging off of them.. we pay our taxes up here you know that? What do we work & pay our taxes for? Just for you to accuse us of not paying our fair share? After being badly represented by the media, the Yes vote were never gonna get a win with all the scaremongering. Which is why I'm all the more disappointed with the result. If both sides had been represented fairly & equally by the media then I wouldn't be so disappointed.
Did I at any time say you don't pay your taxes? Scotland pay taxes and SO DO THE ENGLISH.
It is true the Scots get perks (SUBSIDISED BY THE ENGLISH) that we don't - to name but a few:
University Tuition fees.
Free prescriptions.
Free hospital parking.
Cancer care denied to the rest of the UK
You get a referendum - did we?

There are more, I can't think of them off hand.
You don't like Westminster dictating to you? Guess what neither do we.

Sorry but I'm getting angry now.
 

Angela53510

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I grew up singing "God Save the Queen" along with "O Canada" and the Lord's Prayer in a public school every morning. In fact, our legal system still acknowledges the Queen in traffic tickets, and all judgements and court decrees.

The Queen of "England" is actually the queen of the entire Commonwealth. That is, former members of the British Empire. Just to clarify!
 
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psychomom

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Part of me wants a New York or California referendum for the South, West, and Midwest to vote on.
but wait! can't we make it just Manhattan? or possibly the 5 boroughs?
and maybe Westchester? (but then we'd have to include parts of CT...too convoluted, you're right_

i'm from MI, but grew up in Saratoga Springs, NY.
now live in the Hudson Valley.

i remember in the '70s there was talk of making NYC into a state of its own,
or at least separating it in some way from the rest of the state...

remember, there's a whole, big state 'attached to' that city.
mercy, please? lol
 

Petals

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Did I at any time say you don't pay your taxes? Scotland pay taxes and SO DO THE ENGLISH.
It is true the Scots get perks (SUBSIDISED BY THE ENGLISH) that we don't - to name but a few:
University Tuition fees.
Free prescriptions.
Free hospital parking.
Cancer care denied to the rest of the UK
You get a referendum - did we?

There are more, I can't think of them off hand.
You don't like Westminster dictating to you? Guess what neither do we.

Sorry but I'm getting angry now.
The Scots are not subsidized by the English, we subsidize 'each other' with 'everyone's' tax money, the Scots, English, Welsh, Irish, all pay our taxes towards the same British government, which means we subsidize each other, we are not exclusively subsidized by the English, you don't own us, we're all part of the uk. Why are you getting angry? How do you think this whole thread makes me feel as a Scottish person? I am hit with negative comment after negative comment, despite already feeling awful about not getting a win in the referendum.. it's all about yourselves venting your anger at ME? Why? What have I done? Apart from wanting Independance for MY country? Which frankly is no one else's business? How about showing some support for what was supposed to be a happy event in a Scottish person's life?
 

Desdichado

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No, it is not a crime, it just aint fitting.
A 300 year-old nation remains on the map because 55% of voting Scots wanted it too.

Music to commemorate the occasion is perfectly fitting. Just as fitting as playing the bagpipes if they were to secede.