Should We Still Keep the Feasts

[Wall]

Keeping a feast of the OT is like saying the cross of Christ is of no effect. In fact it is defecating on the work of Jesus Christ.

Not so Kerry

Zechariah 14:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The feast will be kept {by the good guys} during the 1000yr period of rest

 

[royalscot]

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. Deuteronomy 10:16

what covenant was the heart ,ware are the decrees of the new covenant. so the old was talking of what. see even reading the bible you hve a problem. (basic reading would help to understanding of what needs snip sniped )


full law or part law. with no temple (stone, )

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 (your quote)

when was i jewish, make up your mind what covenant, you follow.
[SUP]9 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.


[SUP]2 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
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[crossnote]

Why was the counsel having the conversation in the first place. What was the issue at hand?

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them (Gentiles), and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

 

[KohenMatt]

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them (Gentiles), and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Now go back 4 more verses.....

 

[crossnote]

Now go back 4 more verses.....

What's your point?

Acts 15:1, And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

 

[KohenMatt]

What's your point?

Acts 15:1, 5 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. [Emphasis Mine]
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

That's the point.
The whole discussion was about salvation.

 

[Wall]

The Bible says Christ is our passover, so then the feast of passover was a shadow pointing to Christ and what He would do for us. Jesus died on passover which was in God's plan.

I see where youre coming from but where do you find that in scripture?

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). They were done during passover

 

[crossnote]

That's the point.
The whole discussion was about salvation.

The point is taken as a whole nothing was required of Gentiles besides...

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

And I don't know why you tried diverting my original point.

 

[royalscot]

[SUP][SUP]10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
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[crossnote]

I see where youre coming from but where do you find that in scripture?

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). They were done during passover

Maybe here...

1 Corinthians 5:7-8 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[KohenMatt]

The point is taken as a whole nothing was required of Gentiles besides...

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

And I don't know why you tried diverting my original point.

Remind me, what was your original point? (We've both been trying to make several points)

My point is that people were saying you to be circumcised and had to obey the law to be saved. The council responded back that you only needed to avoid the mean and fornication. They weren't speaking against obedience to the Law as a whole.

 

[KohenMatt]

[SUP][SUP]10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
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For what its worth, I agree completely with this verse.

 

[Laodicea]

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


Psalm 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

No sanctuary or ceremonial sabbaths at creation? Yes, but from creation the "signs and seasons" were created, thus the heavenly sanctuary and all ceremonial sabbaths were created before being presented.

Rather than admit you have to take the Bible out of context, you put verses together that do not belong together and interpret it by your opinion.

 

[Laodicea]

Exodus 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. (this is the 2nd feast)

Deuteronomy 16:12-13
12 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt: and thou shalt observe and do these statutes.
13 Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine: (this is the 3rd feast)

Deuteronomy 16:14-16
14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates.
15 Seven days shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD shall choose : because the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice.
16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose ; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

Exodus 12:7 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.

Numbers 3:5 And the children of Israel removed from Rameses, and pitched in Succoth.

Tabernacles = 5521 cukkah sook-kaw' fem of 5520; a hut or lair:--**booth, cottage, covert, pavilion, tabernacle, tent.
5523 Cukkowth sook-kohth' or Cukkoth {sook-kohth'}; plural of 5521; booths; Succoth, the name of a place in Egypt and of three in Palestine:-- Succoth.
*5520 cok soke from 5526; a hut (as of entwined boughs); also a lair:-- covert, den, pavilion, tabernacle.

So I agree that the 3 feast mentioned have everything to do with the foreshadowing of salvation through Christ Jesus. They were all instituted before the Leviticus records. Then God tells Israel why this feast is to be observe in *Leviticus 23:42-43

42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in **booths:
43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in **booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Just like I said it looks like you refuse to admit something so plain that there was no sanctuary or sanctuary services or feasts before God gave them to Israel. If you refuse to admit something so plain why would people listen to you? I am not against the feasts, but am in people making out we should keep them when we do not have to.

 

[crossnote]

Remind me, what was your original point? (We've both been trying to make several points)

My point is that people were saying you to be circumcised and had to obey the law to be saved. The council responded back that you only needed to avoid the mean and fornication. They weren't speaking against obedience to the Law as a whole.

you could have looked back. My point...

The counsel laid no other requirements on Gentile believers...

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

 

[Laodicea]

I see where youre coming from but where do you find that in scripture?

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). They were done during passover

In the OT with no sacrifice there would be no passover or day of atonement.

 

[just-me]

Laodicea....Are you trying to decieve?

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

For some reason you left off the very next verse. Why?

To all who believe that the law is old and gone, (keeping in mind that this thread is about the feasts) take note of how we are to observe them under the new covenant in relation to Wall's quote. 1 Corinthians 5:8

Paul would never have used this analogy if there wasn't something to compare it to. It is still good to see how the substance casts the shadow by the light. When we look at the shadow of things to come, even after we've seen the light shining on the substance that makes the shadow, we realize why the shadow is still there. If there is no shadow there is no substance. If there is no light there is no shadow. It takes both the light and substance to make a shadow. Seems as if some think that the light is all that's left, and the substance is gone with it's shadow.

Proverbs 8:20-21
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come ; but the body is of Christ.

Paul is making the church understand, that the feasts of the Jews are shadows of future events for the church and the substance casting those shadows will be Jesus, the Christ!

God is faithful to His word! and that’s truth you can’t deny. Because we believe that what is written in the Bible is the inerrant word of God.

God is going to honor the word He gave to us in His prophecies, and Paul tells us that God’s word is the substance that casts a shadow that are forecasts of things yet to come. There is still a shadow of things to come in our future (personally and world wide) in the feasts given to Israel for our learning and understanding as our walk in faith continues in Christ.

In this way, God demonstrates the method He uses of gaining entrance into OUR future, using His “set times” for His purpose in His time.

That’s why when Paul is citing the Feasts of the Jews as and example to the Colossians, he tells them, that to Christians, they are the shadows of things to come, but the substance is Christ. (and by the way, Feasts means Set Times)

Each feast, or “set time” casts it’s own shadow into the future, so God is able to use those times that He “set”, over and over again, throughout time, to accomplish the purpose for which he originally set that time.

And because the object of the Feasts of the Jews was to point to their Messiah, the shadows cast, and the substance when fulfilled pertain to the things of Jesus, the Messiah.

 

[KohenMatt]

you could have looked back. My point...

The counsel laid no other requirements on Gentile believers...

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

They laid no other requirement on Gentile believers.....to be saved (Acts 15:1)

 

[Laodicea]

Laodicea....Are you trying to decieve?

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

For some reason you left off the very next verse. Why?

In other posts i have quoted that verse and explained it. Read the context of the chapter, it is error to base what you believe on a few words. It is talking about having a change of heart, letting Christ into our life to change us because look at what they were doing.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJV
(1) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
(2) And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1 Corinthians 5:5 KJV
(5) To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Corinthians 5:6 KJV
(6) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?


So in this verse is he talking about how to make the bread for the feast? No he is relating it to sin, that is plain by the context.


1 Corinthians 5:7 KJV
(7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1 Corinthians 5:8 KJV
(8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


It looks plain he is using the symbols to explain the spiritual not saying to physically keep the feasts.


1 Corinthians 5:9-10 KJV
(9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
(10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.


In these verse he goes back to what he was talking about at the start of the chapter, so what is the context?

 

[crossnote]

They laid no other requirement on Gentile believers.....to be saved (Acts 15:1)

So you are saying a Gentile must observe those three things to be saved? That's salvation by works...

Acts 15:8-11, 19-20 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.