Should We Still Keep the Feasts

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Should We keep The Feasts


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KohenMatt

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We know it's utter hypocrisy, constantly trying to place other Christians under bondage, statements of how we are commanded to keep Jewish laws, what's so ridiculous this as some sort of bastard Jew-lites of a law subset, at that, when the Bible teaches, if you keep the law, you must keep it all. Yes, "professing Christians." And "Satanic heresy" to refuse that corpse on your back they carry around. This is the crux of it all, a damnable self righteousness from some condemning, modern day Pharisees. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.
For what purpose do you think the Bible says we have to keep it all?
 

KohenMatt

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He kept them because He was a Jew before the New Convent was implemented and His earthly ministry wasn't over. Jesus is the fulfillment of all these things. If was so important to keep the feast, Jesus would have made it sure by telling us after His resurrection. Jesus wouldn't have been silent if was such an important thing.
Why would Jesus need to say it again if He had already said all throughout history?
Maybe the reason you feel He would need to say it again is because people weren't listening to begin with?
 
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I think a lot of these ideas against scripture are absolutely ridiculous!

Some insist the law is bondage, and not listening to any of it is freedom.

If anyone reads and believes in anything in the OT they don't find repeated in the NT word for word, they are Jewites, or any way to be sneered at.

That God should be scolded and put to task for any of the 613 laws without once reading them in spirit and truth or seeing the love of man and care of man the Lord expressed in them. God is especially ripped apart and scolded for suggesting stoning, saying it is not getting rid of what harms people but terrible punishment on innocent people. These same people would scream about our governments getting rid of our prisons and letting criminals go to harm us!

Using the "we are under grace not law" as a reason to get rid of all law.

Saying that all Hebrews, Jews, Israelites are so different than we are that anything God spoke to them wasn't for us at all, we are too separate a race.

Saying that because we are given the Holy Spirit and the law is written on our hearts it means that this law on our hearts is a very different law than scripture law so we should not read scripture law.
I agree. I don't think many people take into account the necessity of why God made first things first. Take away what came first and there can be no second. For the Second becomes the first.

Romans 2:9-10
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

1 Corinthians 15:44-46
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1 John 2:7-8
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past , and the true light now shineth .
 
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For what purpose do you think the Bible says we have to keep it all?
Because God demands perfection, and the law demonstrates the sinfulness of man, in light of the absolute holiness of God, with whom no sin can stand, the law, therefore, condemning all, were every jot and tittle of the law not fulfilled by the Lord Jesus, in the grace of His love and atoning work, His blood only acceptable payment for our depravity and inability to keep the whole law as required,

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Nobody but the Lord Jesus had His own holiness, nobody prior to Him, and nobody since Him. If you believe God is impressed by some Jew-lite pretense, think again,

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
 
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KohenMatt

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Because God demands perfection, and the law demonstrate the sinfulness of man, in light of the absolute holiness of God, with whom no sin can stand, the law, therefore, condemning all, were every jot and tittle of the law not fulfilled by the Lord Jesus, in the grace of His love and atoning work, His blood only, acceptable payment for our depravity and inability to keep the whole law as required,

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Nobody but the Lord Jesus had His own holiness, nobody prior to Him, and nobody since Him. If you believe God is impressed by some Jew-lite pretense, think again,

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
And if Israel didn't obey the Law perfectly, what happened?
 
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And if Israel didn't obey the Law perfectly, what happened?
God has always been full of grace and merciful toward His children

Numbers 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly , when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick , and the Lord shall raise him up ; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
 
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And if Israel didn't obey the Law perfectly, what happened?
Hebrews, and other scripture, make it clear Israel only found any merit by faith, not keeping the law, but trusting the Lord and the redemption that would finally come in Jesus Christ, like the trust of Job, "And after my body has decayed, yet in my body I will see God!", Job a righteous man, but not sinless, faith spelled out as merit to Israel, only that born of faith pleasing the Lord, such as,

Hebrews 11:6-13 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
 

john832

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Because God demands perfection, and the law demonstrates the sinfulness of man, in light of the absolute holiness of God, with whom no sin can stand, the law, therefore, condemning all, were every jot and tittle of the law not fulfilled by the Lord Jesus, in the grace of His love and atoning work, His blood only acceptable payment for our depravity and inability to keep the whole law as required,

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Nobody but the Lord Jesus had His own holiness, nobody prior to Him, and nobody since Him. If you believe God is impressed by some Jew-lite pretense, think again,

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Which of those passages then says "therefore the Law is done away"?
 

john832

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Hebrews, and other scripture, make it clear Israel only found any merit by faith, not keeping the law, but trusting the Lord and the redemption that would finally come in Jesus Christ, like the trust of Job, "And after my body has decayed, yet in my body I will see God!", Job a righteous man, but not sinless, faith spelled out as merit to Israel, only that born of faith pleasing the Lord, such as,

Hebrews 11:6-13 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
So, since we cannot keep the Law perfectly, let's not even try? Let's just have other gods before God, bow down to idols, take His holy Name in vain, break the Sabbath, dishonor and abuse our parents, kill one another, commit adultery, steal, lie and lust as much as possible? After all, we can't obey perfectly, so why obey at all?
 

KohenMatt

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Hebrews, and other scripture, make it clear Israel only found any merit by faith, not keeping the law, but trusting the Lord and the redemption that would finally come in Jesus Christ, like the trust of Job, "And after my body has decayed, yet in my body I will see God!", Job a righteous man, but not sinless, faith spelled out as merit to Israel, only that born of faith pleasing the Lord, such as,

Hebrews 11:6-13 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
So if from the very beginning, Israel only found merit before God in their relationship with Him, why did God tell them to keep the Law, if He never intended it to offer redemption?
 

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Great things to remember. And I should be happy to discuss them with you seated at a huge pot luck supper at church, as I chow down on chicken and mashed potatoes. Feasting!
How 'bout pork ribs?
 

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No, the Church has not replaced Israel of the OT. The 2 are made one.

It's only bondage if you make it a list of burdens. I see it as a joyous opportunity to serve my God with every second of my life.
It's joyous as you claim to keep the law but in actuality only keep it in part?
It doesn't sound like the two have been made one if the Gentiles are now required to keep the Levitical law designed for the Israelites...where's the New Man in that?
 
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So if from the very beginning, Israel only found merit before God in their relationship with Him, why did God tell them to keep the Law, if He never intended it to offer redemption?
To bring forth His more perfect work in Jesus Christ, to birth new creatures into eternal life through grace and love, to have living access, communion with God, not through the veil of some temple, separated from Holy God by sin, we who, really consider this, are born because of "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
 

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What do you mean by "under the law"?
Those who enter the old covenant through physical circumcision are or were under the Law...the Mosaic Law, the one no one can keep...the one with no longer levites in attendance as priests...the one, well you know, this one ...

Hebrews 12:18-21 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
 
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You know perfectly well that Christ did not do away with all the shadows of Him. Christ would not go against how our world is made and our world in not created in such a way that shadows of things can be done away with.

Every bit of shadows are there when the thing they are a shadow of is in view complete with all the colors. It is the same way with the shadows of Christ.
Prophetic shadows were shadows of a reality that was coming - Jesus Christ is the reality of the Feast of Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of First Fruits and the Feast of Weeks - they are no more shadows for the reality has brought them to light.
And the real cincher is this idea that you can have faith in the Lord and His words and disregard thar God gave a special blessing on one day out of seven with special instructions to us for that day. Saying they are so pure and wonderful as Christians that they treat every day as that special day so are exempt from the word.
And thank you for your condemnation to those whose work schedule excludes them from keeping ONE day - a CERTAIN day - set apart as a "rest" day . . .

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Romans 14:4-6

 

KohenMatt

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It's joyous as you claim to keep the law but in actuality only keep it in part?
It doesn't sound like the two have been made one if the Gentiles are now required to keep the Levitical law designed for the Israelites...where's the New Man in that?
What is your meaning and context of "required"?

Regardless, the 2 have been made one because now God's people are free to walk in obedience to His commands (OT and NT) without fear of the punishment of breaking them, which was removed by Jesus' sacrifice.
 

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1 Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Laodicea....Are you trying to decieve?

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

For some reason you left off the very next verse. Why?
 

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What is your meaning and context of "required"?

Regardless, the 2 have been made one because now God's people are free to walk in obedience to His commands (OT and NT) without fear of the punishment of breaking them, which was removed by Jesus' sacrifice.
What is your meaning and context of 'keeping'?

''Free to walk in obedience''? In the light of the decision the counsel made in Acts 15 could you explain?

Acts 15:24, 28-29 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.
Fare ye well.
 

KohenMatt

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What is your meaning and context of 'keeping'?

''Free to walk in obedience''? In the light of the decision the counsel made in Acts 15 could you explain?

Acts 15:24, 28-29 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.
Fare ye well.
Why was the counsel having the conversation in the first place. What was the issue at hand?
 

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What is your meaning and context of 'keeping'?

''Free to walk in obedience''? In the light of the decision the counsel made in Acts 15 could you explain?

Acts 15:24, 28-29 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.
Fare ye well.
ACTS 15 [17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. [18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. [19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among THE GENTILES are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that THEY ABSTAIN FROM POLLUTIONS OF IDOLS, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So lets look into what pollution of idols {V 20} is all about. Its a no no for gentiles according to Acts 15


LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

I don’t know what the connection might be as to why graven images and idols are a sign that you don’t keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. We could have a debate on what an idol is but that would go nowhere but in circles. Does your church have any standing images?