Should We Still Keep the Feasts

[JesusIsAll]

The point is taken as a whole nothing was required of Gentiles besides...

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

And I don't know why you tried diverting my original point.

Something interesting of Paul, regarding the Acts 15 church at Jerusalem legalism battle that occurred (resolved in the first century, yet replayed here, nonstop, on CC): Paul was of the no big whoopty doo mind of the meat and idol thing in terms of legally tainted meat, expressly so the idol is nothing, and the meat is nothing, the problem not related to the meat eating, but weak believers, who may misinterpret,

1 Corinthians 8:4-13 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; and through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Just some food for thought, scriptural meat not offered up to idols, for those prone to averting their eyes or grasping at their Hebrew roots yarmulkes.

 

[Wall]

As I mentioned before if you are going to keep any of the feasts you must also keep the sacrifices with it. Because the sacrifice was the main part.

Not anymore

Hebrews 13:9-12 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Now its the blood of Christ that takes away sin

 

[royalscot]

To all who believe that the law is old and gone, (keeping in mind that this thread is about the feasts) take note of how we are to observe them under the new covenant in relation to Wall's quote. 1 Corinthians 5:8

Paul would never have used this analogy if there wasn't something to compare it to. It is still good to see how the substance casts the shadow by the light. When we look at the shadow of things to come, even after we've seen the light shining on the substance that makes the shadow, we realize why the shadow is still there. If there is no shadow there is no substance. If there is no light there is no shadow. It takes both the light and substance to make a shadow. Seems as if some think that the light is all that's left, and the substance is gone with it's shadow.

Proverbs 8:20-21
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come ; but the body is of Christ.

Paul is making the church understand, that the feasts of the Jews are shadows of future events for the church and the substance casting those shadows will be Jesus, the Christ!

God is faithful to His word! and that’s truth you can’t deny. Because we believe that what is written in the Bible is the inerrant word of God.

God is going to honor the word He gave to us in His prophecies, and Paul tells us that God’s word is the substance that casts a shadow that are forecasts of things yet to come. There is still a shadow of things to come in our future (personally and world wide) in the feasts given to Israel for our learning and understanding as our walk in faith continues in Christ.

In this way, God demonstrates the method He uses of gaining entrance into OUR future, using His “set times” for His purpose in His time.

That’s why when Paul is citing the Feasts of the Jews as and example to the Colossians, he tells them, that to Christians, they are the shadows of things to come, but the substance is Christ. (and by the way, Feasts means Set Times)

Each feast, or “set time” casts it’s own shadow into the future, so God is able to use those times that He “set”, over and over again, throughout time, to accomplish the purpose for which he originally set that time.

And because the object of the Feasts of the Jews was to point to their Messiah, the shadows cast, and the substance when fulfilled pertain to the things of Jesus, the Messiah.

[SUP]21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
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[SUP]8 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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eternal life through jesus christ a gift.
[SUP]10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
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[just-me]

Just like I said it looks like you refuse to admit something so plain that there was no sanctuary or sanctuary services or feasts before God gave them to Israel. If you refuse to admit something so plain why would people listen to you? I am not against the feasts, but am in people making out we should keep them when we do not have to.

I'm not saying there was no sanctuary. The feasts are not cerebrated around the daily temple worship. Surely sacrifices were offered, but they are also used to define events in spiritual meaning of the said feast. Sacrifices that were consistent for every day were offered during those days of the feasts, but they were beside the feasts and not part of the feast celebrations. Read the book and you will understand what I'm saying in relation to the New Testament. It all fits. The feast are not centered around the temple ordinances that have been abolished physically.

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. Ephesians 2:15

 

[royalscot]

Not anymore

Hebrews 13:9-12 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Now its the blood of Christ that takes away sin

henbews was wrote about 60 ad, the temple was down in 70 ad

Revelation 21

[SUP]22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.2
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[KohenMatt]

So you are saying a Gentile must observe those three things to be saved? That's salvation by works...

Acts 15:8-11, 19-20 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

I'm glad you brought that to light, because it gives me a chance to clarify what I said.....

There was dissension about how Pharisees and Gentiles were to relate.
The Pharisees said you had to be circumcised, etc. to be saved. (15:1)
They also said they needed to be directed to the Law of Moses. (15:5)
Peter said everyone was saved by faith. (15:6-11).
Peter said that Gentiles should abstain from idol-ed food, fornication, strangled food and blood (15:19-20)...
For Moses was to be preached in the synagogue. (15:21)

The whole point was how to have fellowship with one another, and those requirements allowed them into the synagogue to have that.

(And to clarify, I don't believe you have to do those things to be saved. It is by grace, as Peter said.)


And this makes sense when you take the council's decision to the next level. If all they're required to do is abstain from idol-ed food, fornication, strangled food and blood, then are Christians free to do whatever else we want? i.e. murder?

 

[just-me]

[SUP]21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
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[SUP]8 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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eternal life through jesus christ a gift.
[SUP]10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
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I like the scripture and what you say, but maybe we ought to go back to the conversation of the feasts and the spiritual meanings of why they were given. The gift of etrernal life is great through Christ Jesus our Lord. Amen

 

[just-me]

henbews was wrote about 60 ad, the temple was down in 70 ad

Revelation 21

[SUP]22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.2
[/SUP]

That's right. The tabernacle was ready to vanish away.
"In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary." Hebrews 8:13, and the next verse Hebrews 9:1

 

[royalscot]

this is the year 2014, when was i born out side, the law of the land.
ie break this law , they put you in jail. (to keep it short)

most books of the new testament are wrote before 70 ad,
if i can remember correct revs and jude are wrote after 70 ad

 

[RedTent]

This argument is going far beyond the question of keeping the feasts. It has become an argument against the demons that are influencing the church. Scripture says to listen to scripture in spirit and truth, have faith in God's words and follow that with your actions for faith without works is dead.

Demons are working to see to it that is not done. If we study the tactics Satan used to tempt Christ during His 40 days in the desert we can see the same tactics being used here to tempt Christians into disobeying Christ and not walking close to Him. Satan tempted Jesus to disobey and each thing he temped Jesus to do against His Father was made to sound as it was obeying, and Satan gave scripture to back it up. That same pattern is followed here, we must keep our eye on the Lord or we will be led astray. They use the same scriptures over and over--you can't keep the law don't even try, God of the OT was a mean God who wanted you to stone people, God spoke to those strange Hebrews as different people we have nothing in common with, and on and on.

 

[crossnote]

I'm glad you brought that to light, because it gives me a chance to clarify what I said.....

There was dissension about how Pharisees and Gentiles were to relate.
The Pharisees said you had to be circumcised, etc. to be saved. (15:1)
They also said they needed to be directed to the Law of Moses. (15:5)
Peter said everyone was saved by faith. (15:6-11).
Peter said that Gentiles should abstain from idol-ed food, fornication, strangled food and blood (15:19-20)...
For Moses was to be preached in the synagogue. (15:21)

The whole point was how to have fellowship with one another, and those requirements allowed them into the synagogue to have that.

(And to clarify, I don't believe you have to do those things to be saved. It is by grace, as Peter said.)


And this makes sense when you take the council's decision to the next level. If all they're required to do is abstain from idol-ed food, fornication, strangled food and blood, then are Christians free to do whatever else we want? i.e. murder?

Of course not. Those three prescriptions was so no offense would be given to the Jewish believers by the Gentile believers.
But notice, you saw no malarky about how it would benefit the Gentiles to become as Jews.

 

[royalscot]

I like the scripture and what you say, but maybe we ought to go back to the conversation of the feasts and the spiritual meanings of why they were given. The gift of etrernal life is great through Christ Jesus our Lord. Amen

i am not jewish , brother.
seems pointless to a gentile ie christain gentiles started there own feasts like easter, christmas, all saints day etc
because of these facts' of not being jewish.(religions idea etc)to name some. etc

 

[crossnote]

Good grief, here comes the demonization.

RedTent, truce is off.

 

[just-me]

I'm glad you brought that to light, because it gives me a chance to clarify what I said.....

There was dissension about how Pharisees and Gentiles were to relate.
The Pharisees said you had to be circumcised, etc. to be saved. (15:1)
They also said they needed to be directed to the Law of Moses. (15:5)
Peter said everyone was saved by faith. (15:6-11).
Peter said that Gentiles should abstain from idol-ed food, fornication, strangled food and blood (15:19-20)...
For Moses was to be preached in the synagogue. (15:21)

The whole point was how to have fellowship with one another, and those requirements allowed them into the synagogue to have that.

(And to clarify, I don't believe you have to do those things to be saved. It is by grace, as Peter said.)


And this makes sense when you take the council's decision to the next level. If all they're required to do is abstain from idol-ed food, fornication, strangled food and blood, then are Christians free to do whatever else we want? i.e. murder?

It was a good starting point for the Gentiles as not to over burdened with laws. They were to increase in faith as they walked day by day trusting in God. It goes back to the scripture that says faith establishes the law. They would know more and more as time passed and obey accordingly. But this thread is about the feasts. Let's not make it into the normal arguments about the law in general that becomes mundane and repulsive. Who started this argument anyway. If anyone knows, it's time to avoid them.

 

[just-me]

Good grief, here comes the demonization.

RedTent, truce is off.

I liked what she said. Back off LOL

 

[just-me]

i am not jewish , brother.
seems pointless to a gentile ie christain gentiles started there own feasts like easter, christmas, all saints day etc
because of these facts' of not being jewish.(religions idea etc)to name some. etc

What God gives is certainly different than what man has to offer. Amen?

 

[royalscot]

It was a good starting point for the Gentiles as not to over burdened with laws. They were to increase in faith as they walked day by day trusting in God. It goes back to the scripture that says faith establishes the law. They would know more and more as time passed and obey accordingly. But this thread is about the feasts. Let's not make it into the normal arguments about the law in general that becomes mundane and repulsive. Who started this argument anyway. If anyone knows, it's time to avoid them.

how can the eye say to the foot you dont belong etc

Death in Adam, Life in Christ
[SUP]12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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[royalscot]

What God gives is certainly different than what man has to offer. Amen?

thats why he gave a new covenant. to both jews and gentiles.( christains= believer in jesus christ)

 

[just-me]

how can the eye say to the foot you dont belong etc

Death in Adam, Life in Christ
[SUP]12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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1 Corinthians 12:21
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say , Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say , Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him .
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
"how can the eye say to the foot you dont belong etc"
This has to do with Christ's church. Amen? Amen


1 Corinthians 15:42-46
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

This has to do with our change through Christ Jesus. Amen? and Amen.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Of course not. Those three prescriptions was so no offense would be given to the Jewish believers by the Gentile believers. But notice, you saw no malarky about how it would benefit the Gentiles to become as Jews.

Isn't it ironic it took Pharisee Paul to defang the Judaizers' error in Acts 15 (the Lord through Paul, mind you!)? And, is there much doubt what Paul would say, had he a login to CC?

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.