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Wrong Jesus disciples were baptized by John.
John 3:23 says they came and were baptized, but John the Baptist I would say not sure because the scripture does not say.
But I would probably think since Jesus apostles/disciples baptized with water then one of them probably.
John 3:22
After this, Jesus and His disciples went into the land (the countryside) of Judea, where He remained with them, and baptized
John 3:23 says they came and were baptized, but John the Baptist I would say not sure because the scripture does not say.
But I would probably think since Jesus apostles/disciples baptized with water then one of them probably.
John 3:22
After this, Jesus and His disciples went into the land (the countryside) of Judea, where He remained with them, and baptized
Anything or Anyone is NOT A GIFT if you have to do something to receive it.
I am not jumping all over the place, EVERY ONE was on the Same subject, spiritual Baptism by the COMFORTER and all three personages of the Triune GOD are described as being the COMFORTER.
You have FAILED to recognize that there are TWO Baptisms in the Bible:
Spiritual Baptism that is immersion into the spiritual Body of Christ.
AND
Water Baptism which is a public identification with JESUS CHRIST as your LORD after the private spiritual identification, by being immersed into Water.
1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Which one applies to ALL Believers including the thief on the cross?
I am not jumping all over the place, EVERY ONE was on the Same subject, spiritual Baptism by the COMFORTER and all three personages of the Triune GOD are described as being the COMFORTER.
You have FAILED to recognize that there are TWO Baptisms in the Bible:
Spiritual Baptism that is immersion into the spiritual Body of Christ.
AND
Water Baptism which is a public identification with JESUS CHRIST as your LORD after the private spiritual identification, by being immersed into Water.
1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Which one applies to ALL Believers including the thief on the cross?
the scripture says we were baptised into his death ....does the HS baptise us into death??? you cannot enter into God's kingdom unless you die first and are reborn...my question is when did you die to enter if not at water baptism? Concerning the gift of the HS... the scripture does not say you have to do anything to receive it....what you have to do is repent and be baptised for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift if the HS...that is the promise...
Romans 6:3
King James Version
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4
Names of God Bible
When we were baptized into his death, we were placed into the tomb with him. As Christ was brought back from death to life by the glorious power of the Father, so we, too, should live a new kind of life.
Romans 6:3
King James Version
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4
Names of God Bible
When we were baptized into his death, we were placed into the tomb with him. As Christ was brought back from death to life by the glorious power of the Father, so we, too, should live a new kind of life.
NEW, sometimes it appears to me that your skull is made out of 3 inches of plate STEEL. Spiritual Born Again HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FLESH.
John 3:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, andthat which is born of the Spiritis spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
"WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY?"
that which is born of the Spiritis spirit.
That is the second BIRTH, why do you not believe what it SAYS.
AGAIN: "WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY?"
that which is born of the Spiritis spirit.
That is the second BIRTH, why do you not believe what it SAYS.
NOW REPEAT that exercise until you UNDERSTAND IT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.
The second birth has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FLESH. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO
WITH YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT. NO, I do not believe you are Born AGAIN, because you
KNOW NOTHING about the born again, eternally ALIVE Human Spirit that you CAN HAVE.
Zechariah 12:1 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
1 Peter 3:18 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.
Two different REALMS, one of the flesh, and the the ONE where the HOLY SPIRIT BRINGS OUR HUMAN SPIRIT ETERNALLY ALIVE.
COME! REPENT, and RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND MASTER, BEING WILLING TO LET HIM CHANGE ANYTHING HE WANTS IN YOUR LIFE, INCLUDING ANY FALSE DOCTRINES YOU MAY HAVE LEARNED IN THE PAST. Can you give HIM that kind of Control over your life? I DID the last week of December in 1977.
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NewB, the baptism of Rom 6 is not into water, but into Christ.
By 1 Spirit were all believers baptized into one Body, that is, the Body of Christ, The Church (1 Cor 12:13).
The believer is placed "in Christ." Thus what happened to Christ is reckoned to have happened to the believer.
Christ died, so those in Christ also died.
Christ was crucified, so those in Christ also were crucified (see Gal 2:20).
All this is called co-X:
co-crucified, co-died, co-raised, co-ascended, co-seated at the right hand of God.
The believer is reckoned dead, raised, ascended, and seated in Heaven in that Christ had those experiences and thus those IN CHRIST also had those experiences. This is a very precious truth.
It is all available for just trusting Christ as Savior.
He who spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all,
how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?
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By 1 Spirit were all believers baptized into one Body, that is, the Body of Christ, The Church (1 Cor 12:13).
The believer is placed "in Christ." Thus what happened to Christ is reckoned to have happened to the believer.
Christ died, so those in Christ also died.
Christ was crucified, so those in Christ also were crucified (see Gal 2:20).
All this is called co-X:
co-crucified, co-died, co-raised, co-ascended, co-seated at the right hand of God.
The believer is reckoned dead, raised, ascended, and seated in Heaven in that Christ had those experiences and thus those IN CHRIST also had those experiences. This is a very precious truth.
It is all available for just trusting Christ as Savior.
He who spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all,
how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?
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you quote scripture that you don't understand...[SUP] [/SUP][SUP][/SUP] For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.
It is Christ who was put to death to bring you to God....into the same kingdom(realm) that you must be born again to enter....you also must die and be reborn to enter into that kingdom .....born again does not bring your spirit alive eternally....it is God who gives you of his spirit...eternal life is in Christ...and Christ abiding in you gives you that eternal life...without Christ in you there is no eternal life in you...
It is Christ who was put to death to bring you to God....into the same kingdom(realm) that you must be born again to enter....you also must die and be reborn to enter into that kingdom .....born again does not bring your spirit alive eternally....it is God who gives you of his spirit...eternal life is in Christ...and Christ abiding in you gives you that eternal life...without Christ in you there is no eternal life in you...
the question was does the HS baptise anyone into death?
the scripture says we are baptised into his death....Is the HS for life or death....
Is the scripture saying we must repent and be baptised in the HS unto the remission of sins and we shall receive the HS?????
where does the scripture say the believer is placed "in Christ"
Romans 6:3-5American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
if you have become united with him in the likeness of his death.....this looks like water baptism to me
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;.....this looks like spiritual rebirth to me....
the scripture says we are baptised into his death....Is the HS for life or death....
Is the scripture saying we must repent and be baptised in the HS unto the remission of sins and we shall receive the HS?????
where does the scripture say the believer is placed "in Christ"
Romans 6:3-5American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
if you have become united with him in the likeness of his death.....this looks like water baptism to me
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;.....this looks like spiritual rebirth to me....
NewB, you just up & said some things, without any Bible proof -- just you, NewB.
Note that for some reason you have inserted "realm" into the passage. "Realm" is not in passage. Note that your passage teaches substitutionary atonement. He died for our sins, but He died for us. He took the penalty for sin (death) for us on the cross.
It is He who brings you to God, not your works. Just trust in Him.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Note that for some reason you have inserted "realm" into the passage. "Realm" is not in passage. Note that your passage teaches substitutionary atonement. He died for our sins, but He died for us. He took the penalty for sin (death) for us on the cross.
It is He who brings you to God, not your works. Just trust in Him.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
The question was answered. The Holy Spirit baptizes the believer into the Body of Christ; we are so united with Him that we died with him, were raised with him, and ascended with Him.
Rom 6 first says that believers were baptized INTO CHRIST. Because Christian are placed in Christ, what happened to Him is reckoned as also having happened to believers.
Why not? Does it not make sense that if you are dipped in the Holy Spirit you will receive the Holy Spirit?
The doctrine of the Believer being in Christ is common in scripture, not rare. Do a concordance check to see how common it is. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. etc.
Rom 6 says that believers have been baptized into Christ (not water).
Romans 6:3-5American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
Since a believer is baptized into Christ, He is baptized into Christ's death & resurrection, also ascension.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
I understand how you are are reading it in, but there is no water there.
Here is what BADG lexicon says on the word homoioma, translated likeness:
"1. state of having common experiences, likeness . . . This is prob. the place for Ro 6:5 εἰ σύμφυτοι γεγόναμεν τῷ ὁμοιώματι τ. θανάτου αὐτοῦ if we have been united (i.e. αὐτῷ with him; cp. vs. 4 συνετάφημεν αὐτῷ) in the likeness of his death (=in the same death that he died);"
Resurrection in the Bible never refers to the spirit. Spirits are not buried nor raised from the dead; only bodies are raised from the dead. Those who enter the Body of Christ by Spirit baptism, can say "I have been crucified with Christ." The believer died with Christ & rose with Christ because of the mystical union of the believer with Christ.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6 first says that believers were baptized INTO CHRIST. Because Christian are placed in Christ, what happened to Him is reckoned as also having happened to believers.
Why not? Does it not make sense that if you are dipped in the Holy Spirit you will receive the Holy Spirit?
The doctrine of the Believer being in Christ is common in scripture, not rare. Do a concordance check to see how common it is. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. etc.
Rom 6 says that believers have been baptized into Christ (not water).
Romans 6:3-5American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
Since a believer is baptized into Christ, He is baptized into Christ's death & resurrection, also ascension.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
I understand how you are are reading it in, but there is no water there.
Here is what BADG lexicon says on the word homoioma, translated likeness:
"1. state of having common experiences, likeness . . . This is prob. the place for Ro 6:5 εἰ σύμφυτοι γεγόναμεν τῷ ὁμοιώματι τ. θανάτου αὐτοῦ if we have been united (i.e. αὐτῷ with him; cp. vs. 4 συνετάφημεν αὐτῷ) in the likeness of his death (=in the same death that he died);"
Resurrection in the Bible never refers to the spirit. Spirits are not buried nor raised from the dead; only bodies are raised from the dead. Those who enter the Body of Christ by Spirit baptism, can say "I have been crucified with Christ." The believer died with Christ & rose with Christ because of the mystical union of the believer with Christ.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Romans 6:1-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] What should we say then? Should we continue in sin so that grace may multiply?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Or are you unaware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in a new way of life.
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new birth... you said"scripture says he who believe and is baptised shall be saved....you say......BUT SALVATION and Spiritual Baptism took place the very MOMENT we first genuinely believed receiving HIM as LORD, as a FREE GIFT from GOD
We are Saved because of our Belief in Jesus Christ that He is Who He says that He Is
and that He did what He said that He Did Period..... John 3:16 AND Many other verses.. Confirms this..
There is No Power in the "water" .... Jesus Blood Only ....Once and for ALL
newbirth; Could you and Kenneth C Please give a DEFINITION of the word "FREE GIFT"
We are Saved because of our Belief in Jesus Christ that He is Who He says that He Is
and that He did what He said that He Did Period..... John 3:16 AND Many other verses.. Confirms this..
There is No Power in the "water" .... Jesus Blood Only ....Once and for ALL
newbirth; Could you and Kenneth C Please give a DEFINITION of the word "FREE GIFT"
What you don't understand, O Pacemaker is that Free Gift means you have to work real hard to earn it, because the Bible was written by an air conditioning company salesman. Hezekiah 9:6 clearly says, "In the winter when we have no work, we practically give away our units, just to keep our crews from biting their toe nails. So this month only, you can get the free gift of insulation blown into your attic. All you have to do is to sign up for our deluxoocho smoocho A/C system with a free discount of $10,000. All this comes to you as an absolutely free gift when you buy our $100,000 AC system."