My one big problem with this belief system (bible alone)

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Jesus never said "read the book" he said keep the commandments and have faith

That doesn't make any sense. You wouldn't even know about Jesus to have faith in Him without the Scriptures. Nor would you know about His Commands without the Written Word. We don't get our faith from the back of a cereal box or from some crazy acid trip.
 
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My point is I believe in the bible 100% because of the change in my life my problem is that the bible doesn't say it is all you need it says you should look at tradition and the church as the versus I stated above say

Let us take a look at a few verses which speak about traditions that conflict with the Word of God.

Mark 7:1-13 "Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."

It is quite clear what Jesus is saying here. Any tradition held by men that makes the Word or Commandments of God of none effect is wrong.

Galatians 1:13-14 "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: and profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers."

It sounds like Paul is telling the church at Galatia that his past zeal for the traditions of his fathers led him to persecute and waste the church of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."

Paul tells the Thessalonians to hold to the traditions they were taught in word or epistle. As we all know, Paul was taught by Christ Himself.

Galatians 1:11-12 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Note Paul mentions "our" epistle in 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Who was teaching the Thessalonians with Paul?

1 Thessalonians 1:1 "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Thessalonians 1:1 "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

In Peter's conclusion to his first epistle, he mentions the character of Silvanus.

1 Peter 5:12
"By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand."

In a few of Paul's epistles, he gives a testimony of Timotheus' (Timothy's) character.

1 Corinthians 4:17 "For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, ad I teach every where in eery church."

1 Corinthians 16:10 "Now if Timotheus come, see that he may be with you without fear: for he worketh the work of the Lord, as I also do."

Philipians 1:1 "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:"

With all of these character witnesses of these men, what traditions would they be teaching the Thessalonians? Those delivered to them by Jesus Christ of course.

What church is mentioned in the Scripture? The only church we should look to. Christ's church!

Ephesians 1:22 "And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him [Christ] to be the head over all things to the church,"

Ephesians 5:23 "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

Colossians 1:18 "And he [Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

Conclusion: When the Bible speaks of traditions and the church, the only things it could be speaking of are things created by Christ Himself. If the tradition or the church makes the Commandments/Word of God void, it is false. It is my prayer that the Scriptures can give you comfort on this subject.

God Bless
 
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My point is I believe in the bible 100% because of the change in my life my problem is that the bible doesn't say it is all you need it says you should look at tradition and the church as the versus I stated above say

The "Spoken Word" was at one time confirmed by the "Written Word" (See Acts 17:11). Now, there is no more words but what is in the Bible.
 
Yes the bible says all scripture is inspired by god it doesn't say only scripture is inspired by god or does it outline what books are scripture
What other writings do you consider inspired (God breathed) by God?
 
That doesn't make any sense. You wouldn't even know about Jesus to have faith in Him without the Scriptures. Nor would you know about His Commands without the Written Word. We don't get our faith from the back of a cereal box or from some crazy acid trip.

You would know it from other Christians to be honest I never read the bible until I was 33 and almost never went to any church but what I did know was what my grandmother told me and how she acted. When I was thinking through my life in front of me even know she had passed away for 20 years her words and action rang strong. Also a Christian girl who I dated in high school words and actions rang strong as I was searching.
 
[Q Mary" and the U gople OTE=Mat t1626;1709 866]John 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was god.

so in the beginning was a book?

Jesus is the word of God[/QUOTE]

First of all John 1:1 is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

I don't mean to be a stickler but if you are gonna quote the Bible quote it right.

Jesus is the Word of God, as in the whole Bible points toward Jesus from beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. Jesus is the main point of the Bible. In the OT BEFORE Jesus became flesh He was with God and was God. During the whole OT Jesus was with God. I am not totally sure about this (I need to do more study on it) and please don't say I say it's true but I have heard some theologians equate certain things, for example the burning bush to Jesus. Now not sure about that but. So I hope oldhermit reads this and correct me if I am wrong.

Also truth is equated to Jesus for example Jesus said I am the way the TRUTH and the life. So therefore if the Bible is truth and Jesus is truth then yes in a way Jesus is a "book". So to follow the Bible is to follow Jesus.

Now as to which books are in the Bible...I believe it was the council of nicea. That gathered together to determine what books are in the Bible. It was done by many men from many backgrounds doing research on the writtings and other writtings. They ended up with the 66 books of the Bible we have today.

Now there have been a couple books people say should be in the Bible like "The gosple according To mary" and the "gosple of thomas" . They didn't fit the criteria so they were not added. I believe the books we have are the only Word of God.

If they would have been wrong then I am pretty sure God would have had it changed by this time.

Oldhermit if I am wrong on any of this please correct .me. I don't wanna state anything wrong.
 
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The Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ. It reveals Christ from start to end. It is about Jesus!

I don't know what more you could want. As for tradition, it does not reveal Jesus Christ, therefore it is not inspired.
 
It is alway' about the Cross, put your spin on it and how the works that you do are honored then fail and come back to the cross. It happens over and over until we get it. You must go through Romans 6 and 7, before you get to 8. Please don't get stuck in 6 with fads of the church.
 
You would know it from other Christians to be honest I never read the bible until I was 33 and almost never went to any church but what I did know was what my grandmother told me and how she acted. When I was thinking through my life in front of me even know she had passed away for 20 years her words and action rang strong. Also a Christian girl who I dated in high school words and actions rang strong as I was searching.

Surely you should know that if it is not written down, then one is worshiping all kinds of different variations of Christ. There is no set standard where all can agree. In other words, do people build an aircraft without some kind of written down instructions? Would you get in a plane that left out some of the written instructions? Then why would you not trust in the guide book that leads men to God? Do you want to take your chances on trusting yourself and or some non-divine and unproven revelation? Or do you want to truly trust God and His Word?

Does this have to do with your dislike of 1 Timothy chapter 6 or another part of Scripture?
 
Surely you should know that if it is not written down, then one is worshiping all kinds of different variations of Christ. There is no set standard where all can agree. In other words, do people build an aircraft without some kind of written down instructions? Would you get in a plane that left out some of the written instructions? Then why would you not trust in the guide book that leads men to God? Do you want to take your chances on trusting yourself and or some non-divine and unproven revelation? Or do you want to truly trust God and His Word?

Does this have to do with your dislike of 1 Timothy chapter 6 or another part of Scripture?

The problem that most have is the Cross. We want to be our own God and show our works and boast. But what it boils down to is the work of the cross and nothing else.
 
A person must not only be born again (spiritually) by the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God, but they must also be born of water (As Jesus said). The "water" is in reference to being born of the Word of God; For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. If you reject the Bible as authorative for your life, then you reject God's plan for your life. One who is born again by water will understand that they cannot reject the Bible in any way shape or form and or accept something that would obviously be in conflict with the Bible (Such as oral church traditions and other books, such as the book of Mormon, etc.). For Christ sanctifies the church with the washing of the water of the Word (Ephesians 5:25-26).
 
The Holy Bible is divinely inspired by Jesus. The basics is this, believe in Him...
Jesus Christ... When the two men that were hung along side Jesus, one mocked him, the other, believed with his life, that Jesus was the Messiah, Jesus told that man, " surely I tell you the truth, you will be with me in paradise". God knows your heart, just believe in Him, be filled with the Holy Spirit and do your best.
 
The problem that most have is the Cross. We want to be our own God and show our works and boast. But what it boils down to is the work of the cross and nothing else.

Jesus is the source of salvation (1 John 5:12). You can't abide in unrepentant sin (Such as murder and rape) and still be saved. A person has to confess or repent of their sins. For how can you be forgiven if you are not seeking forgiveness? Salvation is not of works or anything you do. But holiness and fruitful works will naturally result from a person having been saved (By repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus). It is misleading to say, Jesus + nothing because that sends the wrong message that you can just live however you like after you believe on Jesus.
 
here go again. the reference to being born of water means that you must be a human being and not an angel or fallen angel because they were not born of water. Mercy and Grace is only for Human beings and not angels or demons they have no grace.
 
I meant when you were born did your mother break water? You came out all smiley faced and covered in water is that not so?
 
I hear alot of things coming from the mouths of people but to hear someone say I own a buisness that does millions of dollars each year not only was i about to lose it, but i was also in the process of losing my wife but GOD saved them both. Sorry brother I hope GOD don't feel the need to take back what he gave to you believe in that!!!!!!
 
Jesus is the source of salvation (1 John 5:12). You can't abide in unrepentant sin (Such as murder and rape) and still be saved. A person has to confess or repent of their sins. For how can you be forgiven if you are not seeking forgiveness? Salvation is not of works or anything you do. But holiness and fruitful works will naturally result from a person having been saved (By repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus). It is misleading to say, Jesus + nothing because that sends the wrong message that you can just live however you like after you believe on Jesus.

No, you are correct, you must repent and work at being who God wants you to be. God knows your heart. He can do miracles in your life, if you live for him. God is everything good, you have to shun evil. You might still curse if you stub your toe for a while, repent, move on.
 
No, you are correct, you must repent and work at being who God wants you to be. God knows your heart. He can do miracles in your life, if you live for him. God is everything good, you have to shun evil. You might still curse if you stub your toe for a while, repent, move on.

What work can we do? If it is not the work of the Holy Spirit we will fail and it's been proven time and time again. It is not our work but His and if we lay claim to it He will abandon it. I meant why did He give us TV and Internet for what reason?
 
What work can we do? If it is not the work of the Holy Spirit we will fail and it's been proven time and time again. It is not our work but His and if we lay claim to it He will abandon it. I meant why did He give us TV and Internet for what reason?

Exactly, God does the work in you... When you become born again, you don't want to live the same as you have always been. You feel ..different, your old friends will come talk about whatever it is you used to talk about, you will feel out of place. Your concerns go from being, what's the new iPhone like..to, God is good, all the time. The Holy Spirit will convict you to what is right.

You will know your just in this world not of it. The flesh and the spirit will be easily discerned for you.