Baptism symbol only ?

newbirth · Sep 30, 2014

VCO said:

you are teaching doctrine of man...and full of confusion...because you are saying Jesus Spirit was with God when he died...so his body was without the spirit...and that body remained here without the spirit...and the disciples worshipped the body without the spirit and the body without spirit said all power was given unto him in heaven and in earth....
Matthew 28:17-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

was Jesus going to heaven to be crucified again? His blood was already poured for our sins...Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

Atwood · Sep 30, 2014

Other than symbol, nothing is left for water-immersion? Since salvation is by grace through faith, apart from works (& water-dipping is a human work). Any human -worked Magic-Ritual theory is excluded by the sufficiency of belief for salvation: "whosoever believes." Whosoever believes does not perish, but has eternal life as a gift.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

This is not really debatable, but satan opposes the truth on many levels and promotes controversy. Read the word to know the truth.

God's truth is vital: If any man proclaim a different gospel, let him be anathema.

6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; 7 which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. 9 As we have said before, so say I now again, If any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.

eternal What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved -- no ifs, ands, or buts.

Those who have denied the Lord Jesus as Savior, reducing Him to a mere-chance-giver, must needs repent & actually trust Him with your eternal destiny. Repent of making water your idol & Savior. Trust the Lord Jesus as your only & sufficient Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for

He shall save His people from their sins.

VCO · Sep 30, 2014

newbirth said:

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Titus 2:13
VCO

Ask us, born again Christians, NONE of us has any confusion about the difference between Christ's physical body being Human and HIS SPIRIT BEING PART OF THE TRIUNE GODhead.

Why do you suppose you have so much confusion about it?

Could it be that you are missing something, something critically important?

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (HCSB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
[SUP]46 [/SUP] However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.
[SUP]47 [/SUP] The first man was from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
[SUP]48 [/SUP] Like the man made of dust, so are those who are made of dust; like the heavenly man {Jesus Christ}, so are those who are heavenly.
[SUP]49 [/SUP] And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man.

1 Corinthians 2:6-9 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:15-16 (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

VCO · Sep 30, 2014

1 Peter 3:21 (ISV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Baptism {Obviously this is talking about Spiritual Baptism.}, which is symbolized by that water{WATER therefore has NOTHING to do with the Spiritual Baptism that SAVES, other than being a symbol of the Baptism that did SAVE.}, now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body {Which the Water does do.}, but by asking God for a clear conscience {Confession and Repentance that comes when one is Born Again.} based on the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {Not just Profess it.}with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; {Receiving Jesus as LORD, means to submit to HIM as MASTER.}

John 1:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him {as LORD.}, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. {Born Again.}

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,

VCO · Sep 30, 2014

newbirth said:

Leviticus 9:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] So Aaron drew near unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin-offering, which was for himself.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the sons of Aaron presented the blood unto him; and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the base of the altar:

WHY is the remainder of the Blood poured out at the BASE of the Altar after a small portion of it is taken into the Holy of Holies to be sprinkled there? Could it be, because that is receiving place of the disembodied human spirits of believers, and thus it symbolizes they are WASHED IN THE BLOOD of the LAMB, forgiven of all sin as they enter Heaven? (Exodus 29:12)

Revelation 6:9-11 (GW)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When the lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of God's word and the testimony they had given about him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They cried out in a loud voice, “Holy and true Master, how long before you judge and take revenge on those living on earth who shed our blood?”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Each of the souls was given a white robe. They were told to rest a little longer until all their coworkers, the other Christians, would be killed as they had been killed.

Revelation 7:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

New, you should know by NOW, my Theology comes from the BIBLE. NOTICE the Blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ is IN HEAVEN, HE Carried it there at His Ascension. Aaron was instructed to do things in and around the Temple, in the same what that they would be done in HEAVEN but our Ultimate High Priest. THUS, He certainly would have poured His sacrificial Blood at the base of the Altar in Heaven.

Hebrews 9:20-27 (NIV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. {His role as our High Priest.}
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

newbirth · Sep 30, 2014

VCO said:

what water ? 19in which he went and made a proclamation to those imprisoned spirits 20who disobeyed long ago in the days of Noah, when God waited patiently while the ark was being built. In it a few, that is, eight persons, were saved by water.

the scripture says eight persons were saved by water...baptism which is symbolized by that water...now saves you also... in other words .....eight persons were saved by the flood....baptism which is symbolized by that flood....now saves you also....
there is a penalty for adding to the word....so I just used different words to show you what Peter is saying...it says nothing about spiritual baptism ...it shows the flood in relation to baptism...so it is reasonable to conclude it is water baptism...

VCO · Sep 30, 2014

newbirth said:

New,

Why do you suppose it is that you do not hear His Voice in the Scriptures you read?

John 10:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, {are born again} and they follow Me.

PACEMAKER · Oct 1, 2014

newbirth said:

newbirth, God Saved the 8 people in the boat....
The people outside in the "water' All Died None Saved...
There is NO Power in Any "water"

So, you are saying that the water that comes from your local river;
goes to your local water treatment plant to be cleaned and sanitized;
Flows in water pipes to your local church;
Fill up the Baptistry
O, don't forget to Heat the "water"

Question?? Is it "Holy Water" Is there "POWER in The Water" ???

Then Two sinners get in the "water"

newbirth, Before you go under the "water"

Do you Have to had Prayed to Jesus Christ in Repentance ; asking for HIM to Forgive you of your sins;
And that you are putting your Faith and Trust in HIM for the Sacrifice Once and for All that HE DID on the old rugged cross ,
And that that you Believe with ALL your Heart that HE is Gods Son
And with The Holy Spirits help; you are willing to start a New Life in Christ.
Or does GOD not Believe your Sincere Repentance and Belief in HIM
until you are "water baptized" ???

So this is the "power water"
that you are putting your faith and trust in
Something that you and another person does...

Jesus Paid it ALL ALL to HIM I OWE

I do Not deserve Salvation and nether do any of us.

Our Price for ALL our sins has already been Paid IN FULL
Nailed to the Cross

Paul tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
and again in Romans 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

newbirth. you have Not Answered my previous post yet.

Do you not have answers to the Questions that I have Asked????

VCO · Oct 1, 2014

PACEMAKER said:

newbirth, God Saved the 8 people in the boat....
The people outside in the "water' All Died None Saved...
There is NO Power in Any "water"

So, you are saying that the water that comes from your local river;
goes to your local water treatment plant to be cleaned and sanitized;
Flows in water pipes to your local church;
Fill up the Baptistry
O, don't forget to Heat the "water"

Question?? Is it "Holy Water" Is there "POWER in The Water" ???

Then Two sinners get in the "water"

newbirth, Before you go under the "water"

Do you Have to had Prayed to Jesus Christ in Repentance ; asking for HIM to Forgive you of your sins;
And that you are putting your Faith and Trust in HIM for the Sacrifice Once and for All that HE DID on the old rugged cross ,
And that that you Believe with ALL your Heart that HE is Gods Son
And with The Holy Spirits help; you are willing to start a New Life in Christ.
Or does GOD not Believe your Sincere Repentance and Belief in HIM
until you are "water baptized" ???

So this is the "power water"
that you are putting your faith and trust in
Something that you and another person does...

Jesus Paid it ALL ALL to HIM I OWE

I do Not deserve Salvation and nether do any of us.

Our Price for ALL our sins has already been Paid IN FULL
Nailed to the Cross

Paul tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
and again in Romans 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith,we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

newbirth. you have Not Answered my previous post yet.

Do you not have answers to the Questions that I have Asked????

He frequently avoids answering a lot of our questions. Either he has no answer or wants to avoid thinking about the questions.

newbirth · Oct 1, 2014

VCO said:

you ask about me not hearing the voice of God...how long did it take you to obey God's command to repent and be baptised?
before you decided to get baptised in obedience to God ...who were were you hearing ? who were you following?

look how you make the word of God into a mockery....you are not questioning me but it is the word you are questioning

you talk about sincere repentance and belief....the word says repent and be baptised unto the remission of sins...you conveniently omit baptism and still want to talk about sincere repentance? that is the practise of disobedience...so there is really no repentance...

newbirth · Oct 1, 2014

PACEMAKER said:

repent and be baptised unto the remission of sins....and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.... if you call baptism a human ritual how can you claim to believe God ...
Colossians 2:10-12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

VCO · Oct 1, 2014

newbirth said:

You could not tell the difference between "the doctrine of man" and the TRUTH OF GOD if you had to. MUCH of what you believe is FALSE DOCTRINE, and you cannot tell the difference.

The only reason you find it confusing is you do not have the Holy Spirit in you to explain Spiritual TRUTHS OF GOD to you.

The Temple on Earth mirrored the Temple in Heaven, and the commands on how things were to be done on Earth, mirrored how things are done in Heaven. NO THAT DOES NOT MEAN I BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO HEAVEN TO BE CRUCIFIED AGAIN. Just like it was done on EARTH Our High Priest had to take the Blood of His Sacrifice in a vessel, and it had to be CARRIED from the place of Sacrifice into the Temple, into the Holy of Holies and Sprinkled on the Mercy Seat seven times in the Holy of Holies. The Blood was then carried back out to the ALTAR, Sprinkled on the Horns of the Altar, and THEN THE REMAINDER HAD TO BE POURED OUT AT THE BASE OF THE ALTAR.

You would do well if you studied a little bit about JEWISH BELIEFS and WORSHIP, especially about the TEMPLE.

Flesh and Blood, is a term that means the MORTAL BODY. THE RESURRECTED BODY IS IMMORTAL.

YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN HIS PHYSICAL RESURRECTION, DO YOU?

newbirth · Oct 1, 2014

VCO said:

You could not tell the difference between "the doctrine of man" and the TRUTH OF GOD if you had to. MUCH of what you believe is FALSE DOCTRINE, and you cannot tell the difference.

The only reason you find it confusing is you do not have the Holy Spirit in you to explain Spiritual TRUTHS OF GOD to you.

The Temple on Earth mirrored the Temple in Heaven, and the commands on how things were to be done on Earth, mirrored how things are done in Heaven. NO THAT DOES NOT MEAN I BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO HEAVEN TO BE CRUCIFIED AGAIN. Just like it was done on EARTH Our High Priest had to take the Blood of His Sacrifice in a vessel, and it had to be CARRIED from the place of Sacrifice into the Temple, into the Holy of Holies and Sprinkled on the Mercy Seat seven times in the Holy of Holies. The Blood was then carried back out to the ALTAR, Sprinkled on the Horns of the Altar, and THEN THE REMAINDER HAD TO BE POURED OUT AT THE BASE OF THE ALTAR.

You would do well if you studied a little bit about JEWISH BELIEFS and WORSHIP, especially about the TEMPLE.

Flesh and Blood, is a term that means the MORTAL BODY. THE RESURRECTED BODY IS IMMORTAL.

YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN HIS PHYSICAL RESURRECTION, DO YOU?

you are speaking with a forked tongue...you said he went to paradise with the thief that day...you said God dwells in paradise...I disagreed with that statement...why?....three days after he said he had not gone to the Father yet....you are shifting the discussion to another area....if that is on purpose it is deception

VCO · Oct 2, 2014

newbirth said:

You did not listen to my testimony did you? I was REPENTED, was SAVED, AND BORN AGAIN THE SAME NIGHT. I REPENTED AFTER MOURNING AND WEEPING OVER MY UTTERLY SINFUL LIFESTYLE, after my third attempt at suicide. FOR FOUR MORE YEARS, I was still going to a Lutheran Church, that taught that infant Baptism was obedience to Water Baptism. When I changed to non-denominational Bible Teaching Church, about two years after I started there, we moved to California. I bought some of Gil Rugh's tapes before we moved. IN CALIFORNIA, I played the tape explaining Water Baptism for the first time and I heard Dr. Gil Rugh's sermon message and it convicted me to get Baptized by Immersion in Water. That was a Monday or Tuesday, and the following SUNDAY NIGHT I was Baptized in Water.

HOWEVER, I GUARANTEE you, THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN ME, and that I was BORN AGAIN and SAVED at least six years before, I ever got into the Waters of Baptism and was immersed.

THAT Whole Time, the Six Years, THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN ME, the Holy Spirit was teaching me Spiritual TRUTHS, feeding my hunger for the WORD, causing great deal of Spiritual Growth, HE was filling me with LOVE, JOY, PEACE, and Changing me from the inside out, molding me into the TOOL HE WANTED ME TO BE. My love for LORD grew, joy in obedience grew continuously, and I saw numerous answered prayers, miracles, BLESSINGS of many kinds, as my understanding of spiritual truths grew and grew. ALL OF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT WET IN THE WATERS OF BAPTISM. YES, that should have been my first step in my WALK OF OBEDIENCE, but it proves Spiritual Baptism is the the BAPTISM that SAVES, and NOT THE GETTING WET kind of Water Baptism, which pictures what has ALREADY HAPPENED SPIRITUALLY TO YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT. IF NOTHING happened prior to Water Baptism to your Human Spirit, then all you do is Enter the Water a Dry Sinner, and come out a Wet Sinner.

VCO · Oct 2, 2014

newbirth said:

NO, you have no living human spirit in you to understand spiritual Truths.

YOU NEED the HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, and YOU NEED HIM TO BRING YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT TO ETERNAL LIFE.
That is what Born Again is.

Paradise IS the dwelling place of GOD:

Revelation 2:7 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give to eat ofthe tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.

So where is this TREE OF LIFE located exactly:

Revelation 22:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then he showed me the river of living water, sparkling like crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
[SUP]2 [/SUP] down the middle of the broad street ⌊of the city⌋. The tree of life was on both sides of the river, bearing 12 kinds of fruit, producing its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree are for healing the nations,

New, I do not make this stuff up, it all is the TRUTH from the Word of GOD.

VCO · Oct 2, 2014

I think I showed you this once before, New. But you remind me of Paul before he got saved:

Acts 26:14-15 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] When we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It hurts you to kick against the goads.'
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?' The Lord answered, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.

Technically, a goad is a sharpened stick, frequently used as a cattle prod. But somehow I think these sharp sticks that are commonly along roadsides are the goads or LORD was talking about:

VCO · Oct 2, 2014

newbirth said:

Please answer my question:

YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN HIS PHYSICAL RESURRECTION, DO YOU?

PACEMAKER · Oct 2, 2014

newbirth said:

Newbirth,, I have heard of many lives being changed from darkness to Light .
WHY???
Because of Jesus Christ

Never heard of anyone saying that "water baptism" was the Reason
that they wanted to Repent or turn to God..
Have you??

REPENTANCE IS WHAT FORGIVES OUR SINS

[h=1] Acts 3:19New International Version (NIV)
[/h] [SUP]19 [/SUP]Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out,
that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Just like in Acts 2:38 Because of Our REPENTANCE; our sins are washed away

You can NOT ADD the word "baptize" to Acts 3:19

Why??? Because it is NOT there

IF you do.... Then you have the "doctrine of man"

You would be ADDING something "man"
can TRY to DO to Earn Salvation

When you sing this song; do you ADD "water baptism"
If you do you are Contradicting the Word of GOD...
What can wash away my SINS??
Nothing but the Blood AND "water baptism"
Who would Ever sing it this way???
But this is what you are saying...

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
There is NO POWER in the water
Newbirth, Just Read what the Scriptures Say
and Not what you have been told by someone..

Do Not ADD TO or Take Away FROM
WHAT the Scriptures Say..

newbirth · Oct 2, 2014

VCO said:

You did not listen to my testimony did you? I was REPENTED, was SAVED, AND BORN AGAIN THE SAME NIGHT. I REPENTED AFTER MOURNING AND WEEPING OVER MY UTTERLY SINFUL LIFESTYLE, after my third attempt at suicide. FOR FOUR MORE YEARS, I was still going to a Lutheran Church, that taught that infant Baptism was obedience to Water Baptism. When I changed to non-denominational Bible Teaching Church, about two years after I started there, we moved to California. I bought some of Gil Rugh's tapes before we moved. IN CALIFORNIA, I played the tape explaining Water Baptism for the first time and I heard Dr. Gil Rugh's sermon message and it convicted me to get Baptized by Immersion in Water. That was a Monday or Tuesday, and the following SUNDAY NIGHT I was Baptized in Water.

HOWEVER, I GUARANTEE you, THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN ME, and that I was BORN AGAIN and SAVED at least six years before, I ever got into the Waters of Baptism and was immersed.

THAT Whole Time, the Six Years, THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN ME, the Holy Spirit was teaching me Spiritual TRUTHS, feeding my hunger for the WORD, causing great deal of Spiritual Growth, HE was filling me with LOVE, JOY, PEACE, and Changing me from the inside out, molding me into the TOOL HE WANTED ME TO BE. My love for LORD grew, joy in obedience grew continuously, and I saw numerous answered prayers, miracles, BLESSINGS of many kinds, as my understanding of spiritual truths grew and grew. ALL OF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT WET IN THE WATERS OF BAPTISM. YES, that should have been my first step in my WALK OF OBEDIENCE, but it proves Spiritual Baptism is the the BAPTISM that SAVES, and NOT THE GETTING WET kind of Water Baptism, which pictures what has ALREADY HAPPENED SPIRITUALLY TO YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT. IF NOTHING happened prior to Water Baptism to your Human Spirit, then all you do is Enter the Water a Dry Sinner, and come out a Wet Sinner.

brother the scripture says repent and be baptised unto the remission of sins...you are saying your sins were remitted elsewhere...He says repent and be baptised ....so how can you say if nothing happened prior to water baptism.....your joy in obedience grew continuously ....and you continued six years in disobedience...so your sins were remitted while continuing in disobedience...???

newbirth · Oct 2, 2014

PACEMAKER said:

Newbirth,, I have heard of many lives being changed from darkness to Light .
WHY???
Because of Jesus Christ

Never heard of anyone saying that "water baptism" was the Reason
that they wanted to Repent or turn to God..
Have you??

REPENTANCE IS WHAT FORGIVES OUR SINS

Acts 3:19New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]19[/SUP]Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out,
that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Just like in Acts 2:38 Because of Our REPENTANCE; our sins are washed away

You can NOT ADD the word "baptize" to Acts 3:19

Why??? Because it is NOT there

IF you do.... Then you have the "doctrine of man"

You would be ADDING something "man"
can TRY to DO to Earn Salvation

When you sing this song; do you ADD "water baptism"
If you do you are Contradicting the Word of GOD...
What can wash away my SINS??
Nothing but the Blood AND "water baptism"
Who would Ever sing it this way???
But this is what you are saying...

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Refrain
Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
There is NO POWER in the water
Newbirth, Just Read what the Scriptures Say
and Not what you have been told by someone..

Do Not ADD TO or Take Away FROM
WHAT the Scriptures Say..

does your bible say.....
Acts 2:38American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

I did not add it but you surly want to take it away...why?.... because you do not believe it belongs there....

Baptism symbol only ?

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