What is the different between original sin and daily sin.
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Yes, and that beginning was in the Garden. Through one man the many became sinners. God wasn't surprised they became sinners. He knew what had happened.
But jdbear, you were born with a sin nature and you will war with it until you die, as Paul did in Romans 7.
But jdbear, you were born with a sin nature and you will war with it until you die, as Paul did in Romans 7.
Disobedience and unfaithfulness are the same thing.
Faith is inclusive of obedience because faith is simply a heart that trusts in and is therefore yielded to God.
That is why Abraham left his home and went out and why Noah built the Ark. They had faith. If they refused to do those things they would have lacked faith.
Faith = Faithfulness = Obedience.
It is also a misnomer to say "we are not saved by a lack of sin, we're saved by faith." Salvation involves being "saved FROM sin" and the means of this is by the "Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ" whereby we exist in a state of "not sinning unto death" and thus are "free from the law of sin and death" which is "you sin you die."
Jesus saves us from sinning, not merely from the condemnation wrought by our past sins. Jesus saves us from ongoing rebellion to God.
Ongoing rebellion to God is the context of
Heb 10:26, it has NOTHING to do with rejecting Jesus.
It has EVERYTHING to do with rejecting the CLEANSING wrought by Jesus.
Faith is inclusive of obedience because faith is simply a heart that trusts in and is therefore yielded to God.
That is why Abraham left his home and went out and why Noah built the Ark. They had faith. If they refused to do those things they would have lacked faith.
Faith = Faithfulness = Obedience.
It is also a misnomer to say "we are not saved by a lack of sin, we're saved by faith." Salvation involves being "saved FROM sin" and the means of this is by the "Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ" whereby we exist in a state of "not sinning unto death" and thus are "free from the law of sin and death" which is "you sin you die."
Jesus saves us from sinning, not merely from the condemnation wrought by our past sins. Jesus saves us from ongoing rebellion to God.
Ongoing rebellion to God is the context of
Heb 10:26, it has NOTHING to do with rejecting Jesus.
It has EVERYTHING to do with rejecting the CLEANSING wrought by Jesus.
Who believes in Jesus but rejects his cleansing?
You are twisting the Bible by isolating one verse and forcing your dogma upon it.
The Bible defines the KIND of faith that God accounts for righteousness. In Rom 4:10-12 it specifically speaks of a WALK that is associated with that faith.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, butwho also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
When Paul is speaking of faith he is speaking of an obedient faith not simply a mental conviction or confession.
The Bible defines the KIND of faith that God accounts for righteousness. In Rom 4:10-12 it specifically speaks of a WALK that is associated with that faith.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, butwho also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
When Paul is speaking of faith he is speaking of an obedient faith not simply a mental conviction or confession.
The good works of saving faith immediately follow justification, they don't cause it.
You got the cart before the horse again.
The "Deeds of Faith" cannot be disconnected from genuine faith, they are two sides of the one coin.
When the Bible says "not of works" it means "not of works done apart from faith."
When the Bible says "not of works" it means "not of works done apart from faith."
is the only reason that, in his numerous explanations, he didn't explain it that way.
Where were you when he needed you?
It is new for me brother. I never hear this before, but I think this is true. I looking into myself, in a lot of area I not trusting and worry about my future, or my child future etc. I believe God have ability to taking care of my future, but because I am not obey Him in a lot area, I doubt He will do it for me.
I often worry about that in this, not because I don't believe His ability, but I question if He will do it for me.
I often worry about that in this, not because I don't believe His ability, but I question if He will do it for me.
A refusal to obey God is rebellion and that
is an issue which YOU must address. God will not address that issue for you and that is why the Bible teaches repentance.
is an issue which YOU must address. God will not address that issue for you and that is why the Bible teaches repentance.
The above is Skinski7ism. . ."It's your problem, Bubba, and
you're the one who's gotta fix it on your own."
The following is the gospel of grace:
Confess your disobedience, ask him to enable you to obey him, and get in his word so he can.
Elin said:
jdbear said:
You want Jesus' sacrifice for all to be the equal but opposite solution to Adams sin for all
God doesn't reveal His word with untruth.
Perhaps you would like to explain the meaning of Ro 5:18, without doing violence to the text:
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
Elin said:
Care to explain the meaning of Ro 5:18:
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
but it's not resonating with God's infinite wisdom in Ro 5:18,
where the contrast with "one" shows it is a contrast of numbers, not of peoples.
The numbers being contrasted are "one" and "all".
Oh, that's classic.
You can't get any earlier than Ro 5:18.
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
You can't get any earlier than Ro 5:18.
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
Man cannot be born a sinner. Sin is NOT what was passed down as Rom 5:12 makes clear, and the answer or correction of that Condemnation of death was life explained in Rom 5:18 as well as in I Cor 15:12-22, Heb 2:9, Heb 2:14-17, II Tim 1:10, Gen 3:19. We are born with a mortal nature. We sin because we are mortal, I Cor 15:56. This makes our nature sinful, but not sin. Sin is an act, not a state of being. One cannot be what one does.
Skinsky7 is correct. The early Church did not teach Original Sin. . .
Your use of Rom 5:18 is a direct biblical refutation
Your use of Rom 5:18 is a direct biblical refutation
And Ro 5:18 does not mean what it says:
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
Dat's some cra-a-a-zy thinkin'.
Your methodology of flipping phrases is not making sense.
Perhaps you would like to explain the meaning of Ro 5:18, without doing violence to the text:
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
You believe because Adam sinned every human being is damned...period.
EVEN SO (<---Here's the equal half)
by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
I have done nothing to this one verse except use your own logic...therefore, you believe because of Jesus sacrifice, every human being is justified...period.
Now, my way:
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hmm, something is wrong with this equation, because not everyone receives justification simply because Jesus sacrificed. Oh....here's the problem solver:
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
I better check my math:
They hold the truth in unrighteousness...they clearly see and understand so are without excuse...they knew about God but didn't glorify Him and on and on....
The equation is now balanced.
Agree or disagree?
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jdbear said:
Elin said:
jdbear said:
You want Jesus' sacrifice for all to be the equal but opposite solution to Adams sin for all
And I won't be laboring all the other NT Scriptures on salvation in whose light Ro 5:18 must be understood.
I'm sure it resonates with your finite human wisdom,
But if ye had known what*this*meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
God doesn't condemn people who have committed no wrong. Quit slandering Him.
but it's not resonating with God's infinite wisdom.....
Elin said:
I'm sure it resonates with your finite human wisdom,
God doesn't condemn people who have committed no wrong. Quit slandering Him.
but it's not resonating with God's infinite wisdom.
'Tis not me, 'tis God's wisdom in Ro 5:18 that your human wisdom rejects.
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
It's not complicated, it's just a matter of belief or unbelief.
I choose to believe Ro 5:18, you don't.
Agreed.
'Tis not me, 'tis God's wisdom in Ro 5:18 that your human wisdom rejects.
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
It's not complicated, it's just a matter of belief or unbelief.
I choose to believe Ro 5:18, you don't.
'Tis not me, 'tis God's wisdom in Ro 5:18 that your human wisdom rejects.
"the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men."
It's not complicated, it's just a matter of belief or unbelief.
I choose to believe Ro 5:18, you don't.
So sorry you are not pleased with God's universal offer of salvation in Ro 5:18.
"Yikes!" expresses your entitlement to mo6re.
"Yikes!" expresses your entitlement to mo6re.
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both*are*abomination to the LORD. Pr.17:15