What did the Jew receive first?

[just-me]

The Lord's Supper is the NT sacrificial meal, akin to the OT meal of the fellowship sacrifice,
wherein believers participate (1Co 10:16) in the benefits of Christ's death by taking them into themselves, as they participated in the benefits of the fellowship sacrifice by eating of the sacrifice.

It's not a ritual, it's a spiritual reality.

So are the ten commandments. Of course some say there's only 9 for us today. Don't they?

 

[just-me]

What is the rest that Jesus did not give thanks
Hebrews 4:8-9King James Version (KJV)

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Good luck on getting a straight answer. God bless man.

 

[JesusChica1991]

So guys, what's the weather like? *trolling at its finest*

 

[1still_waters]

If you take communion you are involved with ritual. Jesus said to do this to remember Him. Is communion to you spiritual or just works of the flesh without faith?

Ok...so now you're saying there is a physical ritual aspect to observing Sabbath, and this isn't just about reading and understanding the spiritual significance?

 

[ELECT]

Ok...so now you're saying there is a physical ritual aspect to observing Sabbath, and this isn't just about reading and understanding the spiritual significance?

Is there a physical and spiritual aspect of why we go to church on a Sunday ?

 

[1still_waters]

Is there a physical and spiritual aspect of why we go to church on a Sunday ?

I'm asking because earlier they said observing wasn't physical at all, it was just understanding the spiritual meaning.

Of course we physically go to church and physically take communion. THat's not the point being argued.

 

[just-me]

I didn't say that in post 484

Ok...so now you're saying there is a physical ritual aspect to observing Sabbath, and this isn't just about reading and understanding the spiritual significance?

Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

Being baptized in water is a ritual. Lighting a candle during the church service is a ritual. Taking the offering is a ritual. Singing the Doxology is a ritual. Religious rituals have never ceased. They're all over in every church.

see this post

When you take communion what is your heart condition. If it's sincere in why you are observing that, you are taking of the Lord's Supper correctly.

 

[1still_waters]

Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

That's not the point.
The point earlier was that you said..NO NO there is not a physical aspect to observing all these things.....

But now it's all like..Hey wait.there is a physical aspect to observing..


Hence my previous observation about being frustrated because on one hand you say NO NO NO it's only spiritual understanding...But then it's like no no no there are physical things to do too...

 

[just-me]

If you take communion you are involved with ritual. Jesus said to do this to remember Him. Is communion to you spiritual or just works of the flesh without faith?

Ok...so now you're saying there is a physical ritual aspect to observing Sabbath, and this isn't just about reading and understanding the spiritual significance?

I didn't say that in post 484


Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

see this post

When you take communion what is your heart condition. If it's sincere in why you are observing that, you are taking of the Lord's Supper correctly.

That's not the point.
The point earlier was that you said..NO NO there is not a physical aspect to observing all these things.....

But now it's all like..Hey wait.there is a physical aspect to observing..

Hence my previous observation about being frustrated because on one hand you say NO NO NO it's only spiritual understanding...But then it's like no no no there are physical things to do too...

How did you arrive at that in what I said in post 474? I asked you a question about communion.

 

[1still_waters]

I didn't say that in post 484


Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

see this post

When you take communion what is your heart condition. If it's sincere in why you are observing that, you are taking of the Lord's Supper correctly.

But we weren't discussing communion and how to observe it. There is a clear NT understanding that communion has a ritual aspect.

BUT EARLIER I said about feast festivals..Sabbaths...

Ok..so when you say Christians need to observe Sabbaths, feasts, festivals...All you seem to be saying is..

"Hey folks, study the rituals in the OT, understand their spiritual significance, then see their realization in Jesus. There is no need to physically act out any of the rituals."

Is that a proper understanding of what you mean by observing Sabbaths, feasts, festivals?

You were all like...

Finally you got it!!!!!
I have been judged and called names and whatnot for my observation of these things. I have been told I'm wrong before I begin to explain what I believe. I question why? I am lashed out against before I can converse decently with some edification. What is it that causes people to do this? Why doesn't the administration take this into consideration? It's a shame to say the least. There are many people that have quit and many guests who would have joined but haven't because they see this all the time. Contention. Those such as myself do not start conflict. I hope the administration can change their outlook on these things, and maybe you can help others that rail against us to understand. This site could be dynamic, but it's slowly being ruined bit by bit. May God bless you with Spiritual understanding.

But now you're all like...

If you take communion you are involved with ritual. Jesus said to do this to remember Him. Is communion to you spiritual or just works of the flesh without faith?

Being baptized in water is a ritual. Lighting a candle during the church service is a ritual. Taking the offering is a ritual. Singing the Doxology is a ritual. Religious rituals have never ceased. They're all over in every church.

I didn't say that in post 484


Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

see this post

When you take communion what is your heart condition. If it's sincere in why you are observing that, you are taking of the Lord's Supper correctly.

 

[just-me]

That's not the point.
The point earlier was that you said..NO NO there is not a physical aspect to observing all these things.....

But now it's all like..Hey wait.there is a physical aspect to observing..


Hence my previous observation about being frustrated because on one hand you say NO NO NO it's only spiritual understanding...But then it's like no no no there are physical things to do too...

Do you take communion? Have you been baptized? Rituals. Now I want to know where in my posts that I indicated I observe rituals. Are you saying they are wrong and you don't do any of them? I was making a comparison to todays church. What are you trying to do? Expose some sort of wrong doing or lying by yours truly? I said there was no physical aspect that means anything with the spiritual relationship. Sorry that you didn't get it.

 

[1still_waters]

Do you take communion? Have you been baptized? Rituals. Now I want to know where in my posts that I indicated I observe rituals.

Below you appeal to ritual things done in the church, to justify doing ritual things on the Sabbath, and now you are asking why I think you do rituals???

If you take communion you are involved with ritual. Jesus said to do this to remember Him. Is communion to you spiritual or just works of the flesh without faith?

Being baptized in water is a ritual. Lighting a candle during the church service is a ritual. Taking the offering is a ritual. Singing the Doxology is a ritual. Religious rituals have never ceased. They're all over in every church.

I didn't say that in post 484


Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

see this post

When you take communion what is your heart condition. If it's sincere in why you are observing that, you are taking of the Lord's Supper correctly.

 

[just-me]

Correction in previous post

Do you take communion? Have you been baptized? Rituals. Now I want to know where in my posts that I indicated I observe rituals. Are you saying they are wrong and you don't do any of them? I was making a comparison to todays church. What are you trying to do? Expose some sort of wrong doing or lying by yours truly? I said there was no physical aspect that means anything without the spiritual relationship. Sorry that you didn't get it.

 

[1still_waters]

Correction in previous post

Ok let's go back a few steps.

Does how you live on a Sabbath, differ in how you live on a non-Sabbath?

 

[just-me]

Below you appeal to ritual things done in the church, to justify doing ritual things on the Sabbath, and now you are asking why I think you do rituals???

What is it that you want to accomplish? What's the end result that you desire?

 

[just-me]

Ok let's go back a few steps.

Does how you live on a Sabbath, differ in how you live on a non-Sabbath?

I don't know because I go to church on Sunday. What's the point here? If I belonged to the SDA I would be going to church on Saturday.

So Do you take communion? Have you been baptized?

 

[1still_waters]

What is it that you want to accomplish? What's the end result that you desire?

I want to see what you're saying.
Before you indicated all of the feast/festival/Sabbath observing is only about understanding the spiritual aspects, and not about doing anything ritual like or physical like.

But now you have appealed to the ritual of communion to justify doing some type of ritual observance of Sabbath, which indicates Sabbath keeping to you may be about more than your previous agreement that it concerns spiritual understanding only.

 

[1still_waters]

I don't know because I go to church on Sunday. What's the point here? If I belonged to the SDA I would be going to church on Saturday.

You go to church on Sunday and not Saturday?
I thought the Sabbath was on Saturday.....

How do YOU observe Sabbath?

 

[just-me]

You go to church on Sunday and not Saturday?
I thought the Sabbath was on Saturday.....

How do YOU observe Sabbath?

I read the Bible. Of course I read the Bible Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and Friday also. Deuteronomy in fact

How do you observe the Sabbath?
So Do you take communion? Have you been baptized?

 

[1still_waters]

How did you arrive at that in what I said in post 474? I asked you a question about communion.

You didnt ask a question about communion..but u did make a statement about it communion, and that is what I'm addressing..

I didn't say that in post 484


Like I said in post 480, there are rituals in every church. If a person desires to assemble at the church such as the SDA I have no problem with that.

see this post

When you take communion what is your heart condition. If it's sincere in why you are observing that, you are taking of the Lord's Supper correctly.