Divorce and Remarriage
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Are you teaching debating trying to prove a point or what? Touchy topics require delicate approaches wanting to serve who is your authority on this subject You?,seems to me you have some learning still to conclude on the subject you broached. Let me ask you a question can children commit adultery or is that only for adults?
Children, young people have sex everyday and are not adults so what are they doing. I would safely deduce fornicating, that would leave me to further conclude adultery must be reserved for adults. Or am I missing something. Re marriage being the issue why not stick with that instead of going in another direction thus straying from the op. Take care of one can of worms before opening another!
Children, young people have sex everyday and are not adults so what are they doing. I would safely deduce fornicating, that would leave me to further conclude adultery must be reserved for adults. Or am I missing something. Re marriage being the issue why not stick with that instead of going in another direction thus straying from the op. Take care of one can of worms before opening another!
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That is correct not all of the words that Jesus spoke were commandments some were directions some were instructions If he said do a thing then it was a commandment if he gave you an example of a teaching it was instruction If he said do it this way it was a direction often interchangeable but all his words were not commandments some were proclamations some were judgments come on now you're supposed to be teaching your own op
not looking to debate but the authority on the subject is the full and complete Word of God. Jesus words in context to divorcé found in Matthews are very clear. also children can commit adultery if the country allows them to marry. But as the law is now children having sex is an abuse on children and God is very clear on those who cause children to fall. there is a difference of fornication which is sex our side of marriage a form of idolatry. Adultery is a convent breaker and has to be married to do so. Pastac why the personal attacks on iwant2serve? do you not have scriptural ref to support your statements?
we all have learning to do on the topic as do you. could you not provide some input with the bible ?
we all have learning to do on the topic as do you. could you not provide some input with the bible ?
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what personal attack? Why is everyone so easily offended at each word. If iwant2serve can put out his points why cant I put out mine. Don't try to peg me into a personal attack I wanted clarity on the position of teaching nothing more. Learning is a ever learning process yet in all out getting( learning) get understanding ,clarity) As to children committing adultery if they are in a country that allows them to marry well what is your point?, if they are in another country their adult standards are lower or that because they are married and they are children they are committing adultery?
One has to be an adult to commit adultery what about that is incorrect or that you don't understand. Many are ever learning yet never coming into the knowledge of the truth 2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now you are trying to give me a lecture on the differences between laws and children having sex and causing children to fall and adultery being a covenant breaker but not the only one but that was not the op and all I was dong was steering iwant 2 serve back to the op this was a post about marriage and remarriage not where it is going or being taken. Nothing that you said is incorrect except that I personally attacked someone. I guess by your standard if I ascribed to such you attacked me! Come on now.
One has to be an adult to commit adultery what about that is incorrect or that you don't understand. Many are ever learning yet never coming into the knowledge of the truth 2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now you are trying to give me a lecture on the differences between laws and children having sex and causing children to fall and adultery being a covenant breaker but not the only one but that was not the op and all I was dong was steering iwant 2 serve back to the op this was a post about marriage and remarriage not where it is going or being taken. Nothing that you said is incorrect except that I personally attacked someone. I guess by your standard if I ascribed to such you attacked me! Come on now.
ok when you say he has " seems to me you have some learning still to conclude on the subject you broached." that is something who would like said to you? and not one does not have to be an adult to commit adultery one has to be married. Now the one who never comes into the truth which is Jesus , they are not saved. But to one who is or has been in the truth Knows Jesus as Lord and savior and learns that divorce is not of G and HE hates it. Children do not have adultery and I am not lecturing you the Bible says in Matthews about causing children to and I did not attack you 
but you hypothetical on children would not change what the bible says about divorce but in the context of discernment; children having sex would be abuse of them. And I do not see your coalition about marriage and remarriage with that analogy. please forgive me if you think I was attacking you I was not.
but you hypothetical on children would not change what the bible says about divorce but in the context of discernment; children having sex would be abuse of them. And I do not see your coalition about marriage and remarriage with that analogy. please forgive me if you think I was attacking you I was not.
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what in the world are you talking about stick to the op is the point did you see where I stated that I'm not interested in what it seems to you I'm interested in the post staying on topic so the teaching is in one vein and not all over the map Im not going to split hairs over interpretations its real simple the op was about marriage and divorce. I wont go any further with this as it is proving my point straying wayyyyyy off the op. An attack has to have certain elements and one of them would include malice or evil intent neither of which I displayed.
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you are very rude
That is correct not all of the words that Jesus spoke were commandments some were directions some were instructions If he said do a thing then it was a commandment if he gave you an example of a teaching it was instruction If he said do it this way it was a direction often interchangeable but all his words were not commandments some were proclamations some were judgments come on now you're supposed to be teaching your own op
I will reply to you anymore you have a great day
That is correct not all of the words that Jesus spoke were commandments some were directions some were instructions If he said do a thing then it was a commandment if he gave you an example of a teaching it was instruction If he said do it this way it was a direction often interchangeable but all his words were not commandments some were proclamations some were judgments come on now you're supposed to be teaching your own op
I will reply to you anymore you have a great day
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I've been called worse so if rude is your word then that is your word, I'm very direct very fair and I am well seasoned you are very thin skinned and soft you placed yourself in a position to defend a position of someone else. You did that not me.Side note this is a public site and I will not be bullied because I don't agree with your positions that is not fair to ask of me. I'm fine with you not replying I'll continue to live life and be just fine.
well seasoned huh? ok I am not thin skinned nor am I bulling you I wish we could meet in person I to am well seasoned sometimes the non-verbal communication is not everyone forte , I like up and personal to many typing errors and voice inflection you know cognitive bearers that prevent one from clearly saying what they mean. you do not have to agree with me and opinion changed against it's will, is an opinion that remains the same still. Think the bible is very clear on the OP maybe we can talk in the men chat room so I am not so limited and then we can get to know each other better I do admire your and respect your knowledge of God word I think you maybe a minster I am too, please let me know if you would like to talk my back ground is not of comfort I am a street preacher and other thing not important .
to many typing errors and voice inflection you know cognitive bearers that prevent one from clearly saying what they mean. you do not have to agree with me and opinion changed against it's will, is an opinion that remains the same still. Think the bible is very clear on the OP maybe we can talk in the men chat room so I am not so limited and then we can get to know each other better I do admire your and respect your knowledge of God word I think you maybe a minster I am too, please let me know if you would like to talk my back ground is not of comfort I am a street preacher and other thing not important .
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my background from nc to the streets of southcenteral la to the marines back to nc married 25 years ministry 20 went to bible college then to seminary because my passion is ministry that is what I wanted to be we can talk or whatever whenever wherever I'm there, I teach for a living I say what I mean other people often read into it meanings that are not there I have no other desire than to be an accurate teacher and promote sound biblical teaching. That is a difficult task considering all the bad doctrine and misapplied context of scripture but one I have been equipped for by the Gifts that were placed in me. I take this seriously and will defend the faith at all cost. send me a pm if you wanna talk more in depth
well seasoned huh? ok I am not thin skinned nor am I bulling you I wish we could meet in person I to am well seasoned sometimes the non-verbal communication is not everyone forte , I like up and personal to many typing errors and voice inflection you know cognitive bearers that prevent one from clearly saying what they mean. you do not have to agree with me and opinion changed against it's will, is an opinion that remains the same still. Think the bible is very clear on the OP maybe we can talk in the men chat room so I am not so limited and then we can get to know each other better I do admire your and respect your knowledge of God word I think you maybe a minster I am too, please let me know if you would like to talk my back ground is not of comfort I am a street preacher and other thing not important .
to many typing errors and voice inflection you know cognitive bearers that prevent one from clearly saying what they mean. you do not have to agree with me and opinion changed against it's will, is an opinion that remains the same still. Think the bible is very clear on the OP maybe we can talk in the men chat room so I am not so limited and then we can get to know each other better I do admire your and respect your knowledge of God word I think you maybe a minster I am too, please let me know if you would like to talk my back ground is not of comfort I am a street preacher and other thing not important .
retired military too 20 year 1989 to 2009 completed Bible school in 1985 and still going married 23 years same lady. I too take is seriously and use the gifting the Holy Spirit has given me. ran up in la a little too mostly Oakland ca spent 7 years in japan and at the rock too. Hit the storm in 1990 can't count the times been back last time 2008 thank God I have come home!!!! yep I feel yea about defending the faith now back to the OP Q? do you think marriage is the last stand for the family in addition to people with know fear of God?
thank God I have come home!!!! yep I feel yea about defending the faith now back to the OP Q? do you think marriage is the last stand for the family in addition to people with know fear of God?
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Stationed in Japan Kadena Air base great times
Op What I think is not important as what the word says
God sanctioned marriage and signed off on it. The word further goes on to say that because man was hard in his heart and still misapplying scriptures that divorce was a thing that occurred. God does not put you in any situation that there is no a way of escape from. There are so many scriptures that support divorce and remarriage it is hard to get people still think in terms of God not being in control.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom in all our getting we are supposed to get understanding. Here is a teaching understand =stand under= grasp the concepts of the information without distortion in its pure form.( not to lean to our own understanding causing us to stand under a lie twisting the truth for lack of understanding. When we understand the concepts principles governing rules commands, precepts, teachings, instructions and directions we can then stand under the understanding that God has ordained in the earth by way of the Holy Spirit.
That fear of not understanding should drive men to continue to study and seek yet often it has a reverse effect. What has someone infected causes adverse effects on them that affects their whole life. Ignorance infects+ affects and has certain effects on our lives. If you don't understand marriage it will have and affect or effect or cause infection in any case marriage and divorce are both taught in the bible in great detail.
Op What I think is not important as what the word says
God sanctioned marriage and signed off on it. The word further goes on to say that because man was hard in his heart and still misapplying scriptures that divorce was a thing that occurred. God does not put you in any situation that there is no a way of escape from. There are so many scriptures that support divorce and remarriage it is hard to get people still think in terms of God not being in control.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom in all our getting we are supposed to get understanding. Here is a teaching understand =stand under= grasp the concepts of the information without distortion in its pure form.( not to lean to our own understanding causing us to stand under a lie twisting the truth for lack of understanding. When we understand the concepts principles governing rules commands, precepts, teachings, instructions and directions we can then stand under the understanding that God has ordained in the earth by way of the Holy Spirit.
That fear of not understanding should drive men to continue to study and seek yet often it has a reverse effect. What has someone infected causes adverse effects on them that affects their whole life. Ignorance infects+ affects and has certain effects on our lives. If you don't understand marriage it will have and affect or effect or cause infection in any case marriage and divorce are both taught in the bible in great detail.
retired military too 20 year 1989 to 2009 completed Bible school in 1985 and still going married 23 years same lady. I too take is seriously and use the gifting the Holy Spirit has given me. ran up in la a little too mostly Oakland ca spent 7 years in japan and at the rock too. Hit the storm in 1990 can't count the times been back last time 2008 thank God I have come home!!!! yep I feel yea about defending the faith now back to the OP Q? do you think marriage is the last stand for the family in addition to people with know fear of God?
thank God I have come home!!!! yep I feel yea about defending the faith now back to the OP Q? do you think marriage is the last stand for the family in addition to people with know fear of God?
I understand that we are to get understanding and reverence(fear) of Lord is the beginning of that, we who have the Holy Spirit the comforter Greek: "Paraclete" one who comes alone side or one who is called to the side of another. So when we study the Word of God and Jesus said in John gospel you need that no man teach you; we can proper exegeses the word of God when we study. So the Authorial intent of what Jesus said in Matthews and other scriptures in the Old and New we have to look at and ask ; what did Jesus say in this passage, who he said it to, and how was it applied then. We after asking these question, pray , study, apply it to our lives today.
So when I ask you what do you think it is from that understanding of you being a teacher of the word one would draw truth and application of the text, I would like to hear what you think on the text
Gen 2:24 -25 it is clear the plan of God for marriage was or is one man and one women as it was from the beginning.
yes the bible is clear in Matts 5:27 speaking from the biblical position of Deut 5:18. But does he not speak to the real issue in verse is the heart of man? and when you say God does not put you in any situation that you cannot escape from, are you saying that in context to divorce? and Is Jesus not addressing Divorcé from to side of it in light of verses 31-32?
So when I ask you what do you think
it is from that understanding of you being a teacher of the word one would draw truth and application of the text, I would like to hear what you think on the textGen 2:24 -25 it is clear the plan of God for marriage was or is one man and one women as it was from the beginning.
yes the bible is clear in Matts 5:27 speaking from the biblical position of Deut 5:18. But does he not speak to the real issue in verse is the heart of man? and when you say God does not put you in any situation that you cannot escape from, are you saying that in context to divorce? and Is Jesus not addressing Divorcé from to side of it in light of verses 31-32?
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Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. [Luke 16:18]
Do the scriptures show exceptions to the above rule?
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. [1 Corinthians 7:39]
Therefore if the wife or husband is put away they are to remain single until a one of them die and then only can they remarry but only some one in the Lord
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. [1 Corinthians 7:10-11]
Do the scriptures show exceptions to the above rule?
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. [1 Corinthians 7:39]
Therefore if the wife or husband is put away they are to remain single until a one of them die and then only can they remarry but only some one in the Lord
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. [1 Corinthians 7:10-11]
That was not opening another can of worms, that was defining them. As for children committing adultery show me in scriptures where they cant if they are married. Marriage is marriage period and the Bible is clear on grounds for remarriage in spite of what we try to make it be. Funny thing to me is we as believers talk about other religions and how they create their own Bible, yet we place GRACE in place of the commandments given for us to live by. With that we justify how we can continue to live that lifestyle and say we are believers. So what is the difference in that?
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Did God ordain and sanction children being married in the original plan instituted in the Garden when he performed the first marriage? Was it between a man and a woman? Here is the danger in more depth I see men with men wanting to be married, that is unscriptural, women with women also unscriptural, children with children not un heard of but also unscriptural.
I dare not add to or take away from the word in any context. I have learned that what we think is always overshadowed but what God truly meant or means. Our understanding is limited in us but supernatural in him. As for remarriage the word is clear very clear.
Let me go into a thought most don't consider. No only was Christ speaking of natural marriage but spiritual marriage as well think on that then look at the scripture in that context it forms a greater understanding for the grace of God concerning us. Look at this Jesus talked to a woman who had bee married five times but not to the one he had made for her. All her searching and marriages she still was out of Gods order concerning her chosen husband. He addressed remarriage here is what my studies show. Side note she had five husbands he said and was on her sixth!
St John 47There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. 8(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) 9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. 10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
15The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. 16Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. 19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
I dare not add to or take away from the word in any context. I have learned that what we think is always overshadowed but what God truly meant or means. Our understanding is limited in us but supernatural in him. As for remarriage the word is clear very clear.
Let me go into a thought most don't consider. No only was Christ speaking of natural marriage but spiritual marriage as well think on that then look at the scripture in that context it forms a greater understanding for the grace of God concerning us. Look at this Jesus talked to a woman who had bee married five times but not to the one he had made for her. All her searching and marriages she still was out of Gods order concerning her chosen husband. He addressed remarriage here is what my studies show. Side note she had five husbands he said and was on her sixth!
St John 47There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. 8(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) 9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. 10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
15The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. 16Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. 19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
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I agree with a lot of the content of the post yet I find its equally as disturbing that people add no mercy to anything the interpret that God is saying. That is my biggest concern. Jesus stopped dying to save a man a sinner in whatever sin he had committed That is awesome to me. The rest of this stuff is lost in that point. He looked beyond whatever that man had done wrong and saved him!
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