Do Bible Numbers Have Meaning or Is It Just Useless Filler Info within the Bible?

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Numbers that are explained by the context of the text come from the Holy Bible. See, most people just automatically associate the meaning of numbers with traditional numerology. Bible numbers that glorify God's word versus traditional numerology are two are opposite extremes of one another. The Bible itself gives you the meaning behind the numbers that are in the text. So if you believe the repeated meaning behind the numbers is paganistic in origin, then that is not good because the Word comes from God. I get it. People can be consumed by traditional numerology. They can even lie about the meaning of the numbers in the Bible. This is wrong. I don't communicate with God thru numbers. I don't use numbers when I try to interpret His Word. Numbers in the Bible are not useless background noise; They are put in our Bibles for a reason. God doesn't scribble non sense into His Word. Everything in His Word has purpose and meaning to give glory to Jesus Christ.
Glad you understand Brother, this is very important that we do understand, Can you see how this can get confusing for others? Why use it then? We know who the king of confusion is right? God gave us the teachings in words and worded parables, and stories, why would we ever need numbers other then a description of what God was trying to tell us about something specific. I just posted about Mark, where it says to go out in to the world and preach the gospels, anything else, besides the law that He came to fulfill, it doesn't help, it only hurts, how is the numbers helping? They don't, they create confusion, God is all knowing, we aren't, let's stick to what he wants us to do, preach and teach the gospels, and stories in the Bible,
 
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No that is not what I am saying. I am saying the numbers are not useless info. Useless info is just that, useless. The numbers in the Bible do have some use, ie: counting ages of people, counting multitudes, counting tribes, counting days, counting goods, etc.

My point is numbers are not as significant as some popularly imagine them to be. For instance right here on this thread people saying "12 means this or that" or "7 represents this or that". Yet nowhere in the Bible says such a thing. A number itself is not significant outside of the fact it is a number.
Read Revelation 13:18 and then read Ecclesiastes 7:25, 27.
 
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Then you have to condemn those who Revelation 13:18, too. Where does the Bible say that is the exception to the rule? Do you honestly believe I am consumed by numbers instead of Jesus Christ? One can say the same thing about the love one has for their wife. Numbers are not for obtaining some secret code that is going to unlock the universe. No. No. Numbers and the meaning that is ascribed to them by the Bible itself is to show that God's Word is divine and give glory to God. For one can say that the hidden meaning in Messianic prophecies is wrong for the same reason.
Why worry ourselves with numbers, His words weren't enough?
 
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Read Revelation 13:18 and then read Ecclesiastes 7:25, 27.
And each of those verses shows the true use of numbers, which is counting which is what I've been saying. Certainly does not say numbers represent this or that.
 
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Also it is just plain ignorance to say there are no meanings behind the numbers in the Bible. Deep down none of you really believe that. Have any of you even tried looking at what the numbers mean in the Bible? I am not talking about what some guy says the number means, I am talking about how the Bible gives meaning to that number repeatedly.
 
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And each of those verses shows the true use of numbers, which is counting which is what I've been saying. Certainly does not say numbers represent this or that.
What do you gain by counting the number 666 in Revelation 13:18? Read the passage again.
 
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What do you gain by counting the number 666 in Revelation 13:18? Read the passage again.
Jason, did the poor folks, or the ones healed by Christ understand numbers, or Jesus and His word? I know nothing of numbers, are you saying I'm not a man of God ? The study we have has been going fairly well, I have noticed you like to associate in numbers and didn't say anything, but have I said anything out of line of scripture, no sir, I have spoke in a parable though, I said that there are thorns and roses, and God didn't let the the thorns get in the way of watching roses. I will always associate with the way our Heavenly Father spoke to us, no other way, why teach miracle numbers if He didn't ? This creates confusion.

What are you getting from counting 666, do we know who the beast is ? Then what sense does this make. It's getting us no where. Where is it getting us,? As someone chimed in the stories thread and said, if it's not about the cross, it's pointless,
 
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Also it is just plain ignorance to say there are no meanings behind the numbers in the Bible. Deep down none of you really believe that. Have any of you even tried looking at what the numbers mean in the Bible? I am not talking about what some guy says the number means, I am talking about how the Bible gives meaning to that number repeatedly.
I have learned a lot from "some guy" when they have done more research than I have. I used to rely a lot on Mathew Henry, but when I checked him out thoroughly I found I couldn't trust him. Bible Study Tools are a wonderful source. These are all "some guy" to help me and guide me, then I check them out. I don't think we should discourage people from seeking outside tools for bible study.
 
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Yes, the numbers are just as important as the words- they have deep meaning. Even one of the books of the bible is Numbers. It is so significant that I don't think you could get the full meaning of the message without the number mentioned.
 
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I have learned a lot from "some guy" when they have done more research than I have. I used to rely a lot on Mathew Henry, but when I checked him out thoroughly I found I couldn't trust him. Bible Study Tools are a wonderful source. These are all "some guy" to help me and guide me, then I check them out. I don't think we should discourage people from seeking outside tools for bible study.
Says enough right there for me, if we have to go to anything else but God, there's a problem.
How did you come to Christ brother Jason, that tape right? Did that tape explain some holy numbers to you that made you change your life for Christ, or was Christ Himself enough? And you started on with associating numbers?
 
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Jason, did the poor folks, or the ones healed by Christ understand numbers, or Jesus and His word? I know nothing of numbers, are you saying I'm not a man of God ? The study we have has been going fairly well, I have noticed you like to associate in numbers and didn't say anything, but have I said anything out of line of scripture, no sir, I have spoke in a parable though, I said that there are thorns and roses, and God didn't let the the thorns get in the way of watching roses. I will always associate with the way our Heavenly Father spoke to us, no other way, why teach miracle numbers if He didn't ? This creates confusion.

What are you getting from counting 666, do we know who the beast is ? Then what sense does this make. It's getting us no where. Where is it getting us,? As someone chimed in the stories thread and said, if it's not about the cross, it's pointless,
Please, Brainfreeze, don't discourage bible study. When you call how God uses numbers to teach us just something to stop real learning, or they are miracle numbers, putting down bible study, it is not working for the Lord. If you feel you don't have time for this, fine, just don't rain on other's parade. Turning away and cancelling anything of the Lord is not a good thing.
 
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Amen! that is what i was Thinking!
 
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It has been my observation that most people saying they are Christian are not familiar with the Bible, can't understand Jesus' parables even though He explains them. It often takes a Sunday School hour to explain just one mostly by making life applications. It isn't the fault of the Holy Spirit. It is a a listening weakness.

I have a book by Jerry Lucas and Del Washburn titled "Theomatics", first edition 1977, given to me by my stepfather. He remained an unbeliever, high school and college football coach, until in his 70's. He made fun of my wife who always kept her favorite Bible with her. "That book is going to drive you mad." he liked to say. I had been a new Christian since 1976, making me a traitor of fellow men, to men like him. He taught mathematics, science, and foreign language courses all his career, mastering all levels up through 4 year college. That book got his attention, as he heard of it and decided to mathematically prove Lucas, an All American basketball champion, had gone through the hoop. God reached him to His glory. He put a double-sided sign on his pickup truck, reaching from hood to tailgate, with a message of the Lord returning soon, believe on Him now. He advanced through the Bible quickly, began teaching it as he learned it. He gave me a copy of that book, ordered to study it. Soon after that my mother was gloriously saved in her 70's, and many went to the cross of Christ by his preaching and teaching. Whenever visiting them he would talk Bible and test me to make sure I was studying that Lucas book.

Theomatics is Lucas' own new word describing a blend of gematria and isopsephia. It isn't "Bible Code". The main issue is the true fact that numbers are assigned to Greek and Hebrew letters, and the individual letters of those ancient words demonstrate number values that verify definitions of those words. That helps link a particular word and whole verse to a specific context, like when a verse contains "lamp" and "light", a clear distinction is proved the two are fitted together by correct translation, one not necessarily the same as the other.

Hewbrews and Greeks counted using their "alphabet' characters. Using a Greek-English interlinear NT, he gives hundreds of verses, showing an amazing consistency of his claims. All of God's creation is numerically perfect, a fact that gets the attention of unbelieving astronomers as they learn more about what they detect. All fields of science are showing God's touch by the numbers. Laws of nature are sustained by reliable mathematics.

In a time when, like I have, many of us have multiple versions of the Bible, it's easier to sort them out when there is a very different rendering of a verse. I've thrown a few away so that nobody else reads some of the things I've seen. I no longer bother testing versions, settling on a few favorites. But for minds like the coach, this sort of thing has been a blessing to see them born again at last.

By far it's best to simply take God's word literally, believing without having to see some science prove it enough to begin believing. Some just can't do it best, like Thomas. John 20:25-29 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said,
Peace be unto you.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then saith he to Thomas,
Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus saith unto him,
Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
 
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Thank you for this brother Wordswordsman, I got something out of what your saying here, but the BIGGEST thing is, by far it's best to take Gods word literally. For the ones who need all that to know Gods real, I get it, but I won't preach it or teach it, I've seen enough myself, like doubting Thomas, in others ways then numbers to know how real God is, for the ones venturing off into numbers, don't you think the devil is a smart character, that knows the, koran, Talmud, Kabbalah, and some of it leading to magic and mysticism, and talking with false spirits, as God warned us not to.. I'm just saying this is a hairy topic, so why preach it? I take God for His word, that speaks to me, not numbers. I hope this hits everyone, good post sir.
 
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Thank you for this brother Wordswordsman, I got something out of what your saying here, but the BIGGEST thing is, by far it's best to take Gods word literally. For the ones who need all that to know Gods real, I get it, but I won't preach it or teach it, I've seen enough myself, like doubting Thomas, in others ways then numbers to know how real God is, for the ones venturing off into numbers, don't you think the devil is a smart character, that knows the, koran, Talmud, Kabbalah, and some of it leading to magic and mysticism, and talking with false spirits, as God warned us not to.. I'm just saying this is a hairy topic, so why preach it? I take God for His word, that speaks to me, not numbers. I hope this hits everyone, good post sir.
Learning how God uses numbers, honestly!! is not magic, mysticism, false, Koran, Talmud, or something to be talked of as you are doing. It is of God, in the word of God. It is why there were 12 sons of Jacob, why there were 12 apostles, why it was 40 days Jesus was in the wilderness, why there are seven days in a week, and on and on, it is scripture. We are not to make fun of scripture or speak against it. It is not right. It isn't a hairy topic, there is much to learn of the true, best of the Lord, of understanding the real God we get from knowing what God wants us to know about how God uses numbers.

By telling everyone you are such a good Christian, and good Christians do not study except as you prescribe not how God presents His word, you ARE working for the devil. Anything the devil can do to keep us in the dark about the wonders of our Lord, that is the devils goal and work.
 
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Learning how God uses numbers, honestly!! is not magic, mysticism, false, Koran, Talmud, or something to be talked of as you are doing. It is of God, in the word of God. It is why there were 12 sons of Jacob, why there were 12 apostles, why it was 40 days Jesus was in the wilderness, why there are seven days in a week, and on and on, it is scripture. We are not to make fun of scripture or speak against it. It is not right. It isn't a hairy topic, there is much to learn of the true, best of the Lord, of understanding the real God we get from knowing what God wants us to know about how God uses numbers.

By telling everyone you are such a good Christian, and good Christians do not study except as you prescribe not how God presents His word, you ARE working for the devil. Anything the devil can do to keep us in the dark about the wonders of our Lord, that is the devils goal and work.
Mam, I love you... And I mean that, I know I wrote to you for over hour about a week ago about "my story" you asked about, with no response, which is fine because God had me copy every word I said "to relay it in a book I will be writing" so, you don't have to like me, but I think Wordswordsman has said more then enough here, if it didn't help you, maybe a prayer to Jesus will, there's nothing else to say, again, I love you, and I won't call you anything out of your name Ms. Redtent,
hope you well and God bless
 
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John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Just for everyone's sincere regards, look where astrology, math, and science got this man

John Dee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I love you all as Jesus does... God bless you
 
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yes numbers have meaning, but why focus on numerology when you can focus on what really counts and that is the cross.
 
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Yes, the purpose of Bible Numbers is to glorify Jesus Christ.

However, to deny the obvious meanings behind the numbers in the Bible is just silly. One has to willing put on a blind fold in order to not see it. In fact, if one is against numbers having a purpose or meaning to them, then they have to ignore the fact that:

40 days and 40 nights it rained while Noah was under trial within the Ark.
Israel wandered in the wilderness for 40 years (The wilderness wandering was a trial - See note below).
Jesus fasted (i.e. He was under a trial or a time of testing) for 40 days and 40 nights.

7th day is the complete and final day of the end of the week.
7 times is the Word of God purified, meaning it is completely pure.
77 times is how many times we are told to forgive. Is that the cap limit? Should we stop forgiving at 78? No. If we don't forgive us, neither will we be forgiven. In other words, if we keep on forgiving, we will be complete.

12 Tribes of Israel (Authority)
12 disciples (Authority)
The 144,000 is made up of the 12,000 each of the 12 Tribes of Israel (Authority)

Jonah died in the great fish's belly and was resurrected. He was in the belly of that fish for 3 days.
Jesus was in the heart of the Earth for 3 days and was resurrected.
3 people were risen from the dead in the Old Testament.

Side Note:
On the 40 Year Wilderness Wandering:

There is a specific purpose of the Wilderness Wandering.
If we look at the scriptures in Deuteronomy 8:2, "And thou shalt
remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these
forty years in the wilderness, to "humble thee", and to "prove thee",
to "know what was in thine heart", whether thou wouldest keep his
commandments, or not."

3 major things were mentioned:

a.. to humble thee
b.. to prove thee
c.. to know what was in thine heart

In other words, it was a trial.