The "Impossible" Gospel

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Mem said:
I get your point, everyone dies by Adam's disobedience, and everyone lives by Christ's obedience. By what do we know when/if(not) we are obedient as Christ is?
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The words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers,
including the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39),
give us the commands and exhortations that are the rule of our lives under the new covenant,
where the new covenant law is put in our minds and written on our hearts, giving us to know
what is loving and what is not loving.
 
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Elin said:
The words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers,
including the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39),
give us the commands and exhortations that are the rule of our lives under the new covenant,
where the new covenant law is put in our minds and written on our hearts, giving us to know
what is loving and what is not loving.
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Why have any copies of the OT then, should we do away with it?
 
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Elin

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Posting error above in #303.

P.S. to post #301:

Mem said:
I get your point, everyone dies by Adam's disobedience,
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Actually, Paul's point is that when sin was not taken in to account between the times of Adam and Moses, all mankind died because of their guilt of Adam's sin,
thereby showing that all mankind is accounted guilty of Adam's sin.

and everyone lives by Christ's obedience.
By what do we know when/if(not) we are obedient as Christ is?
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The words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers,
including the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39),
give us the commands and exhortations that are the rule of our lives under the new covenant,
where the new covenant law is put in our minds and written on our hearts, giving us to know
what is loving and what is not loving.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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Elin said:
The only thing of importance to you in the OT is the law?
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No doubt, and not to mention all of the prophecies concerning the millennial kingdom, Jesus, Israel etc. The inspired songs (psalms) the wisdom of the proverbs and practical history as applied unto Israel and Judah...Be mindful of the words spoken before by the HOLY PROPHETS...........
 
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Elin said:
And this relates to Ro 5:13-14, how?

The operative word is "taken into account," it's not about "knowledge."

Non responsive.
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As a parent would explain the rules to a child God explained the rules to Adam and Eve - unless someone tells you what is expected how do you obey? We weren't stupid monkey's we were humans designed and created by God.
 
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dcontroversal said:
No doubt, and not to mention all of the prophecies concerning the millennial kingdom, Jesus, Israel etc. The inspired songs (psalms) the wisdom of the proverbs and practical history as applied unto Israel and Judah...Be mindful of the words spoken before by the HOLY PROPHETS...........
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And Moses was not the least of them
 
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Elin said:
Actually, sin is not taken into account where there is no law, as there was none from Adam to Moses.

"before the Law was given, sin was in the world
(as proven by the death of all men).
But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,
even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was our pattern to come. (Ro 5:13-14).
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As a parent would explain the rules to a child God explained the rules to Adam and Eve - unless someone tells you what is expected how do you obey? We weren't stupid monkey's we were humans designed and created by God.
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Relevance to Ro 5:13-14?

Non-responsive.
 
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Elin said:
Relevance to Ro 5:13-14?

Non-responsive.
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Elin I have responded several times you are just not listening. Not worth being typed when no one is listening/reading and contemplating. God isn't stuck in a box and was capable of speaking His law to humans at least to Adam and Eve and even to us if we are willing to listen. Go ahead have your last word I'm outta here.
 
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Elin said:
Are they not all of them the word of God?

Which word of God is least?
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I think you thrive on argument and preventing others to study as they are led. It is obvious you do not understand my perspective and writing "previously addressed numerous time" does not reach any more understanding than going in circles. Your views are as subjective as the next person's, and you are afforded such freedoms to hold them. Is your life's mission to prevent others from honoring God the way that is in their heart to do so, or is your heart the only one of value?
 
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JesusLives said:
Elin said:
Actually, sin is not taken into account where there is no law, as there was none from Adam to Moses.

"before the Law was given, sin was in the world
(as proven by the death of all men).
But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,
even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was our pattern to come. (Ro 5:13-14).
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Elin I have responded several times you are just not listening. Not worth being typed when no one is listening/reading and contemplating.
God isn't stuck in a box and
was capable of speaking His law to humans at least to Adam and Eve and even to us if we are willing to listen. Go ahead have your last word I'm outta here.
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Non responsive.
 
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Mem said:
Elin said:
Mem said:
And Moses was not the least of them.
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Are they not all of them the word of God?

Which word of God is least?
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Your views are as subjective as the next person's, and you are afforded such freedoms to hold them.
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It would be helpful if you stated what you do not agree with, and

then showed from the Scriptures where it is not Biblical.
 
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Mem said:
And Moses was not the least of them
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Other than being meek, which verse actually states he was the greatest among them...is there such a verse?

I seem to remember the LAW and the Prophets being placed on equal footing as it is all the Word of God correct?

Just asking that is......!
 
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Elin said:
Your views are as subjective as the next person's, and you are afforded such freedoms to hold them.
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It would be helpful if you stated what you do not agree with, and
then showed from the Scriptures where it is not Biblical.[/QUOTE]

I do not agree that the commandments are no longer relevant, and I am not sure if that is the belief that you do hold. It seems to me that you believe these are new commandments apart from them that were laid by Moses, so even if I posted a scripture you would then instruct me to regard it, in the subjectivity of your perspective. As it must be right, since it is your perspective.

Overcoming the World
…2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith.…
 
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dcontroversal said:
Other than being meek, which verse actually states he was the greatest among them...is there such a verse?

I seem to remember the LAW and the Prophets being placed on equal footing as it is all the Word of God correct?

Just asking that is......!
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Equal ground unless anyone considers certain things that Moses proclaimed, i.e. the commandments, have been somehow diminished. As long as that is not the case, then no problem here. No problem anyway as it doesn't change the truth how ever anyone looks at it.
 
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Mem said:
Equal ground unless anyone considers certain things that Moses proclaimed, i.e. the commandments, have been somehow diminished. As long as that is not the case, then no problem here. No problem anyway as it doesn't change the truth how ever anyone looks at it.
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You do understand that the condemnation of the law no longer is directed at those who are in Christ right?
You do understand that it is still biblical to Love God and Love our neighbor and that by doing the first two the rest will be fulfilled?...Jesus said ALL the commandments HINGE on the first two....
You do understand that Paul taught that by no one would be justified by the deeds of the Law right? Romans 3:20

So...If the deeds of the law cannot justify a man before God...what then can justify a man before God?

The FAITH OF JESUS<----pay attention to the word (OF) Galatians 2:16-21
 
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