The "Impossible" Gospel

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Grace has existed since the beginning, our God is a gracious God. Perhaps because the Mosaic Covenant was given to Israel, many equate that with ALL the OT...

Galatians 3:19, 21, 23-26 Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the descendant to whom the promise had been made. It was administered through angels by an intermediary.
Is the law therefore opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
Now before faith came we were held in custody under the law, being kept as prisoners until the coming faith would be revealed.
Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith.
But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.
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What is the trangression ?
What law was added and when ?
Why was it given by angels and not directly by God himself ?
 
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Elin said:
Eleven chapters earlier the word of God says that he was (Ge 15:6).
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When one believe and answers God call they are righteous but if the continue to do nothing would they be righteous ?

[h=1]Revelation 22:12King James Version (KJV)[/h]12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Are the works here faith or obeying God law the whole bible
 
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ELECT said:
When you accepted Jesus by faith and became saved ,did you just sit there and do no works ?
Do you do good works ?
Why or Why not ?
what are these good works if you do them ?
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You are confusing saved by "faith not works"

and "faith without works."
 
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The true believers have always lived by faith since the time of Abel. The religionists live by law...aka self righteous.
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True believers do live by faith and they also live by obedience to God's law of love as the Holy Spirit helps them obey this law of love not from a self-righteous spirit but a spirit of love to God. It's all about love people a love and faith relationship with God as God is love and gave us His law of love.
 
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Again, Paul is not saying anything new, but is quoting from the Torah and Tanach.

Neh 9:29 And testifiedst against them, that thou mightest bring them again unto thy law: yet they dealt proudly, and hearkened not unto thy commandments, but sinned against thy judgments, (which if a man do, he shall live in them;) and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear.

Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

If one understands the OT scriptures, then one will understand what Paul is saying. Paul is not changing the OT, no, that would be mocking Yah who never changes. Paul is not changing the message, he is fully preaching (pleroo) the OT, same as Jesus/Y'shua fully preached (fulfill/pleroo) the Torah and prophets.
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If Paul is saying nothing nothing new, why is he saying anything at all?
 
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Elin said:
Eleven chapters earlier the word of God says that he was (Ge 15:6).
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Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart (Jeremiah:31:33). He is the example of true obedience to the law, the one about whom the Lord could say,

'Abraham obeyed me' (v. 5). Thus, the nature of the relationship between the law and faith. Abraham, a man who lived in faith, could be described as one who kept the law
 
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JesusLives said:
True believers do live by faith and they also live by obedience to God's law of love as the Holy Spirit helps them obey this law of love not from a self-righteous spirit but a spirit of love to God. It's all about love people a love and faith relationship with God as God is love and gave us His law of love.
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That 'obedience' flows from an already transformed heart...

Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
 
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ELECT said:
When one believe and answers God call they are righteous but if the continue to do nothing would they be righteous ?
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We do not lose our righteousness from God (Ro 1:17) which he gives us as a gift (Ro 5:17),

because with it comes the power of grace operating within us to obedience.

And God's power never fails.
 
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Elin said:
Well, actually, the law Paul is referring to in Gal 3:10-13 is the law God gave to Moses.
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What was trangreesed fot this law to be added ?
 
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Elin said:
We do not lose our righteousness from God (Ro 1:17) which he gives us as a gift (Ro 5:17),

because with it comes the power of grace operating within us to obedience.

And God's power never fails.
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please explain the we dont lose our righteouness :confused:
 
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crossnote said:
That 'obedience' flows from an already transformed heart...

Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
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Yay! We agree on something progress being made. Have a blessed day in your walk with Jesus.
 
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ELECT said:
What is the trangression ?
What law was added and when ?
Why was it given by angels and not directly by God himself ?
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The law as found in the Mosaic Covenant given TO ISRAEL after they left Egypt.
By angels to show it's inferiority to a better covenant.
 
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ELECT said:
Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart (Jeremiah:31:33). He is the example of true obedience to the law, the one about whom the Lord could say,

'Abraham obeyed me' (v. 5). Thus, the nature of the relationship between the law and faith. Abraham, a man who lived in faith, could be described as one who kept the law
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But not well enough to justify him, or his righteousness would not have been credited to him (Ge 15:6),
it would have been owed to him.
 
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ELECT said:
What was trangreesed fot this law to be added ?
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There was no law to transgress when sin abounded before the law of Moses.

The law was added to the Abrahamic covenant to show their sin,
so God's people would not sin unknowingly.
 
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[h=1]Habakkuk 2:4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

And Law existed
 
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ELECT said:
Elin said:
We do not lose our righteousness from God (Ro 1:17) which he gives us as a gift (Ro 5:17),

because with it comes the power of grace operating within us to obedience.

And God's power never fails.
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please explain the we dont lose our righteouness :confused:
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the "because" above explains why we don't; i.e.,

because when God begins a work of righteousness in us, he completes it (Php 1:6, 2:13).

Do you know the NT?
 
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The law as found in the Mosaic Covenant given TO ISRAEL after they left Egypt.
By angels to show it's inferiority to a better covenant.
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[h=1]Daniel 9:11King James Version (KJV)[/h]11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
The curse is not in God Law the ten commandments
 
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Elin said:
the "because" above explains why we don't; i.e., because when God begins a work of righteousness in us, he completes it (Php 1:6, 2:13).

Do you know the NT?
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only if one yields to Him the work is finish

[h=1]Ezekiel 18:24King James Version (KJV)[/h]24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die
 
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