How to Oppose the Sodomist Agenda

[Atwood]

If a gay person has not had sex with another person does that still make them a sodomist {not actually a word} in your book or are we just going for the most inflammatory wording possible?

Erroneous premise: "if a gay person . . . ."
There is nothing gay, happy, & carefree about sodomy.
It is not a sin to be temped in some way. The sin comes when a man lies with a man and inserts what does not belong into an orifice meant for elimination.
Also the term appears to assume that sodomy is the result of some unavoidable physiological condition (genetic) in a person.

Wording:
1) Gay is a rhetorical debater's device, an attempt to slap a positive word on an abominable practice. Nurses can testify the results in the posterior of those who receive this abominable abuse.

2) homophobe is a rhetorical debater's slur word to try to demonize the opposition by the false claim that it is an irrational fear to object to what is obviously an abominable scatological abusive practice.

3) homosexual is not the best term as it might include the preference for friendship with one's own gender, aside from lying with one's own sex.

4) Sodomist & sodomite are terms which have been used legally for various illegal sexual acts. But IMHO, they are the best terms as they refer to the men of Sodom who wanted to sodomize angels, thinking they were men in Genesis.

 

[Atwood]

If in God's eyes imagining another woman is just as bad, I don't see why not.

Sin is sin. But not all sin is called an abomination. Scripture doesn't say that "imagining a woman" is bad. It is lusting for fornication & adultery which is sin. And scripture distinguishes between the natural use of the opposite sex and that which is an abomination. (Leviticus 18; Romans 1).

 

[Atwood]

Well then if imaging is all it takes I think the straight people are by far a bigger issue when it comes to sin.

Imagining is not the issue, but lusting and doing a sin mentally.

Using the term "straight people" is not Biblical.

This is Biblical:

"I am Jehovah. 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; 25 and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye therefore shall keep my statutes and mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you; 27 (for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled); 28 that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you."

Could it be that we now see the process of this land vomiting out the current citizens of the USA and replacing them with another people invading from the south?

 

[Atwood]

The Sodomy laws are abominable, and should never be brought back.

If the people of this nation don't want to be vomited out, they need to reinstate the Sodomy laws. Sodomy is a crime & needs to be recognized as such. Anti-sodomy laws are not an abomination, but those who do sodomy do abomination, even if they wear clerical collars & went into the clergy to facilitate their lifestyle.

I am Jehovah. 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion.


24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; 25 and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye therefore shall keep my statutes and mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you; 27 (for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled); 28 that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people. '

Do you claim that God's laws are abominable?

 

[Atwood]

What if a husband and wife were to engage in sodomy? Would that be illegal? Because you cant in this country make laws like 'only men are banned from sodomy'. So you would probably have a lot of married heterosexual couples in trouble to for committing sodomy. So now what? Just ban sex in general to only procreative acts? Im just saying its not really a valid concept.

Sodomy has been defined various ways, but in this thread the topic raised was to address the issue of men lying with men & women with women.

Anal sex is an abomination regardless of who does it; but defining the crime of sodomy Biblically is man lying with man (or woman with woman). Scripture doesn't address anal sex in marriage, though it would come under loving the neighbor as self & not doing harm.

Here is the old smoke screen. Instead of acknowledging that men doing anal sex with each other do an abomination, you want to change the subject to other practices, which is not the issue here.

 

[Atwood]

to be fair, sodomy can include heterosexual acts which isnt what he is discussing here, but would be affected. I mean just be clear and honest and say you want to make laws targeting only a certain portion of the population and clearly discriminate against them by outlawing gay sex. i mean honestly come on. Because heterosexual sodomy? no one complains about.

It seems that some want to becloud the issue with other matters, like global warming or whatever. Laws should target certain parts of the population if you are going to define them by the crimes the commit. Murderers need discrimination & punishment; so do robbers. Sodomy is another crime, & the SCOTUS erred by making it legal.

 

[Atwood]

What if a husband and wife were to engage in sodomy? Would that be illegal? Because you cant in this country make laws like 'only men are banned from sodomy'. So you would probably have a lot of married heterosexual couples in trouble to for committing sodomy. So now what? Just ban sex in general to only procreative acts? Im just saying its not really a valid concept.

Of course you can make laws prohibiting men from lying with men. It has been done & so far as I know has always been the case for many, many years. The laws are still there; only the SCOTUS took it on itself to legislate them off enforcement.

This is more shuck & jive & smoke screen. "Procreative Acts" is irrelevant. What is relevant is that a man sticking something into something of another man where it does not belong along with repulsive material meant for expulsion in a container meant to expel repulsive material -- this is obviously an abomination to all who do not have perverted minds. To those who don't have reprobate minds, just picturing it is disgusting.

 

[Atwood]

How are we supposed to bring homosexuals to know Christ if they are being demonised and condemned as putrid and filthy subhuman monsters who should be at least locked up and kept apart from society or even better strung up by thier necks on a tree in a good old lynching.

Now you insert lynching, which was never advocated.

Now do you know better than the Lord? The gospel is not all yumsy-wumsy sugar plumsy. A man who is brought to "God be merciful to me a sinner" may be saved. In the most detailed presentation of the gospel I know of (Romans), the book launches forward with the the putrid, filthy condition of the unsaved man, with emphasis on the reprobate minded:


16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; 19 because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.


24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.


28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: 32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.


2:1 Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.

 

[Atwood]

I began this thread on
"How to Oppose the Sodomist Agenda"

However, hardly anyone is addressing that issue. Instead we have persons not wanting to oppose the sodomist agenda, but cooperate with it.

My thesis is that the SCOTUS needs to reverse the decision which legislated from the bench to repeal the sodomy laws duly passed by the people's representatives, laws of long establishment, laws which the writers of the Constitution never dreamed were being forbidden by the language they wrote.

It goes to show that people voting on laws (like SCOTUS justices) may write their own laws & then refer to the constitution arbitrarily to concoct a supporting argument. Our system is thus flawed. And however you may like some oligarchal legislation by the SCOTUS, you may also not like some other SCOTUS legislation when your ox is gored.

But we may be getting to the point that even fixing the interpretation system of the constitution will not work, as the Zeitgeist of the people is turning more & more towards the reprobate mind.

Thus I propose that another necessary action is to abolish state-education of children, which gives opportunity for liberal govt to brain-wash children.

 

[djness]

I began this thread on
"How to Oppose the Sodomist Agenda"

However, hardly anyone is addressing that issue. Instead we have persons not wanting to oppose the sodomist agenda, but cooperate with it.

My thesis is that the SCOTUS needs to reverse the decision which legislated from the bench to repeal the sodomy laws duly passed by the people's representatives, laws of long establishment, laws which the writers of the Constitution never dreamed were being forbidden by the language they wrote.

It goes to show that people voting on laws (like SCOTUS justices) may write their own laws & then refer to the constitution arbitrarily to concoct a supporting argument. Our system is thus flawed. And however you may like some oligarchal legislation by the SCOTUS, you may also not like some other SCOTUS legislation when your ox is gored.

But we may be getting to the point that even fixing the interpretation system of the constitution will not work, as the Zeitgeist of the people is turning more & more towards the reprobate mind.

Thus I propose that another necessary action is to abolish state-education of children, which gives opportunity for liberal govt to brain-wash children.

I voted against gay marriage in my state when it was on the ballot. Unfortunately my state is majorly blue.
You seem to be confused about people disagreeing with the way you word your position and your actual position.

As for the removal of state education who do you think would teach our children? Should they all be home schooled? Should they all go to private schools?

Also maybe this thread should be moved...this isn't really news.

 

[Jamal]

As for the removal of state education who do you think would teach our children? Should they all be home schooled? Should they all go to private schools?

Private education should be made financially viable to all parents.

 

[tourist]

Private education should be made financially viable to all parents.

It would then morph into public education.

 

[ThomistColin]

If the people of this nation don't want to be vomited out, they need to reinstate the Sodomy laws. Sodomy is a crime & needs to be recognized as such. Anti-sodomy laws are not an abomination, but those who do sodomy do abomination, even if they wear clerical collars & went into the clergy to facilitate their lifestyle.

I am Jehovah. 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto: it is confusion.


24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; 25 and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye therefore shall keep my statutes and mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you; 27 (for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled); 28 that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people. '

Do you claim that God's laws are abominable?

So, shall we arrest them and place them in concentration camps or just kill them on the spot as Leviticus ascribes?

Either way you will have the blood of millions on your hands.

Do you know where the slur "faggot" comes from?
Back in the Middle Ages in England, homosexuals were often burned. The word "faggot" meant a bundle of kindling sticks. As the homosexuals burned, people would shout, "Throw another faggot onto the pyre."

That's abominable. That truly is an abomination. To clearly discriminate as we did prior to the 1960s is untenable. Homosexuals were barred from assembling and drinking alcohol in most states. This led to the famous "Bar Sit-In" in New York City in the 1950s. So many people showed up to the bars that the Mayor contemplated shutting down every bar in the city. Instead, a referendum was called and the people of the city voted out the assembly and alcohol sodomy laws.

As I said, watch "Paragraph 175" about how the homosexuals were treated in the Holocaust. How most who were liberated were then sent to prison for being homosexuals. How they were raped and brutally molested by the Nazis. Also, how it took till the 2000s for nations like France to finally recognize these men as victims of the holocaust.

That's what the sodomy laws lead to. They lead to discrimination and violence, and eventually ignorance that is so deep it takes generations to remove.

 

[notuptome]

So, shall we arrest them and place them in concentration camps or just kill them on the spot as Leviticus ascribes?

Either way you will have the blood of millions on your hands.

Do you know where the slur "faggot" comes from?
Back in the Middle Ages in England, homosexuals were often burned. The word "faggot" meant a bundle of kindling sticks. As the homosexuals burned, people would shout, "Throw another faggot onto the pyre."

That's abominable. That truly is an abomination. To clearly discriminate as we did prior to the 1960s is untenable. Homosexuals were barred from assembling and drinking alcohol in most states. This led to the famous "Bar Sit-In" in New York City in the 1950s. So many people showed up to the bars that the Mayor contemplated shutting down every bar in the city. Instead, a referendum was called and the people of the city voted out the assembly and alcohol sodomy laws.

As I said, watch "Paragraph 175" about how the homosexuals were treated in the Holocaust. How most who were liberated were then sent to prison for being homosexuals. How they were raped and brutally molested by the Nazis. Also, how it took till the 2000s for nations like France to finally recognize these men as victims of the holocaust.

That's what the sodomy laws lead to. They lead to discrimination and violence, and eventually ignorance that is so deep it takes generations to remove.

I'm sure you are familiar with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah? Whole cities burned off the face of the earth. That will never be removed. What do you suppose God is going to do with these who rebel against His holy will?

It's no joke to read Romans chapter one and see that they not only do these things knowing that they are worthy of death but have pleasure in them that do them. They have been given over to their vile affections and God has given them over to the reprobate mind. Romans 1:19-32

What ever men do it is nothing compared to what God will do. I'm not advocating anything but evangelism here but laws enacted by men are hardly of any consequence compared to what God has decreed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Stephen63]

It is a shame how Christians have allowed homosexuality to become a battle ground. Had Christians just said , "Jesus loves you" and gave them a hug then who knows what might have happened, but no, Christians take the bait and we escalate into hatred and fear.

The persecution by some odd christian groups over the years should not be a reason to call the issue a "battle ground".

The real "battle ground" is in the courts & legislation.....no doubt about it.

 

[Stephen63]

If a gay person has not had sex with another person does that still make them a sodomist {not actually a word} in your book or are we just going for the most inflammatory wording possible?

If it's what the Bible calls them, what's the problem?
1 Kings 14:24 (KJV) [SUP]24 [/SUP]And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
[HR][/HR]1 Kings 15:12 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
[HR][/HR]1 Kings 22:46 (KJV) [SUP]46 [/SUP]And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
[HR][/HR]2 Kings 23:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

 

[Atwood]

I voted against gay marriage in my state when it was on the ballot. Unfortunately my state is majorly blue.
. . .
As for the removal of state education who do you think would teach our children? Should they all be home schooled? Should they all go to private schools?

Also maybe this thread should be moved...this isn't really news.

Yes, the advance of the sodomist agenda is current news with no sign of being dropped. The mayor of Houston was just trying to demand the content of sermons on sodomy be delivered to the government for examination. Businesses are being attacked / closed down by sodomists, as for example a farm that was used for like weddings in New York was forced to close its business for not catering to Sodomists.

What some people seem to fail to understand is that just ignoring this issue & being yumsy wumsy sugar plumsy with sodomists, doesn't work. One cannot just ignore them & let them go their way or consider that they are just one variety of sinners among the general populace of sinners. They will not tolerate Christians and let them alone. You can expect them to invade homes and demand things like investigations to find out of Christians are stifling their sodomite children. Imagine if a Christian father found his son naked in bed with another boy involved in anal penetration and chastised the son for this. Why they would want to take the boy away and put the father in prison.

Imagine being investigated to see if a parent is teaching children to have a discriminatory attitude towards Sodomists.

There is no end in sight. That is why IMHO, the place to stop this is at the point of getting the SCOTUS to reverse its legislation from the bench on Sodomy, having struck down laws with long precedent, laws that are constitutional except that 5 oligarchs in robes can over ride We the People, millions of votes.

The education of children should be the parents responsibility. Schools don't stop at school time now. They dictate what children shall do in their homes with homework. Parents should be the ones who choose the schools, none of which run by the govt at taxpayer expense.

 

[Atwood]

That's what the sodomy laws lead to. They lead to discrimination and violence, and eventually ignorance that is so deep it takes generations to remove.

Criminals should be discriminated against. What we have now is not just ignorance, it is delusion.

The reprobate mind (Romans 1).

We can see the chain of events now. Once sodomy is legalized by 5 men in robes (vs the will of the people), the sodomist is not content with toleration of his activity. The sodomists will advance to violence vs those who don't go along with them. Their businesses will violently be taken away, all ready being done. Christians who teach the truth will be violently opposed & imprisoned, even with anal rape. The story of Sodom in the Bible is paradigmatic.

The sodomite agenda is already out of hand, and those who won't give in to their demands already face violence. IMHO, the only way to stop it is to dethrone the SCOTUS usurpation of legislative process.

 

[ThomistColin]

Criminals should be discriminated against. What we have now is not just ignorance, it is delusion.

The reprobate mind (Romans 1).

We can see the chain of events now. Once sodomy is legalized by 5 men in robes (vs the will of the people), the sodomist is not content with toleration of his activity. The sodomists will advance to violence vs those who don't go along with them. Their businesses will violently be taken away, all ready being done. Christians who teach the truth will be violently opposed & imprisoned, even with anal rape. The story of Sodom in the Bible is paradigmatic.

The sodomite agenda is already out of hand, and those who won't give in to their demands already face violence. IMHO, the only way to stop it is to dethrone the SCOTUS usurpation of legislative process.

So, all homosexuals should be in prison?! Think man, think.

 

[Atwood]

Sodomist is a word. Check your dictionaries.

And it is used in the American Standard Version of the Bible. ASV uses sodomist where KJV uses sodomite -- probably because in KJV context the reference was not to persons born in sodom, but to those who behaved like sodomites -- this sodomist.

If you want to declare something "not a word," try "homophobe," though it is a slur word, a propaganda term with no basis in reality.

My thesis for this thread is that to stop the sodomite attack on Christians, sodomy itself needs to be a recognized crime, as in fact it is (though the SCOTUS says it is not). I know it is not likely that the SCOTUS will reverse itself on this now. But I still think that many persons should petition the court to repent of its legislation-from-the-bench on this one.

I would add to my modest proposals for SCOTUS reform that no more than 4 of the 9 can be lawyers. Why should the lawyers be in charge of the determination of what the final interpretation of the constitution is?