The "Impossible" Gospel

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2 Corinthians 3:6 (KJ21) "who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament — not of the letter, but of the Spirit;
for the letter (law of Moses) killeth, but the Spirit giveth life."

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the telos (end) of the law for
righteousness to everyone who believes.

1 Cor 15:45 “The first man Adam became a living being”; the
last Adam became a life-giving spirit
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Could that word "end" mean something other than "brought to an end"?
It means "goal."
 
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The Holy Spirit is the power that does the sealing, by placing the "Seal of God" in the foreheads of the pure in heart. The Holy Spirit is not the seal, but it is the power by which the sealing is done. Just as the seal of state or nation is placed on a document to make it legal by the one who transacts the business, so is

"The Seal of God" placed in the forehead, or in the mind of the person, by the Holy Spirit. The seal of state is placed on the document by a machine operated by the man. The seal is not the machine or the man and so is also the seal of God something different from the Holy Spirit that does the work of sealing.
Now your imagery is the 144000 Jews being sealed on their forehead in Revelation...not the Church.
 
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BIBLE VERSE 6 - Galatians 3:24-25 .....'Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

In the same chapter in verse 19, it says that the law was ADDED because of transgression.
Now if this is also talking about the ten commandments, the moral law of God, then what was it ADDED to?
Previously addressed.

The law of Moses was the basis of the Sinaitic covenant, which was added to the Abrahamic covenant.

There is nothing to add it to. But if we take this verse in truth and apply it to the ceremonial laws and the priestly service, then it makes sense.

The ceremonial laws were ADDED to the ten commandments
, BECAUSE OF SIN AGAINST THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
Gal 3:19-25 contrasts the law to the promises given to Abraham, not to the Ten Commandments.

The law of Moses was the basis of the Sinaitic covenant, which was added to the covenant of Abrahamic, to whom the promsies were given.

So then, the "schoolmaster" or forshadow of the priestly service, containing the ceremonial laws, which
pointed to Christ Jesus, as He became our sacrifice for sin, and our High Priest.
The Ten Commandments are not a foreshadow of Christ.

They are an expression of the character of God and the meaning of godliness.
 
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Now your imagery is the 144000 Jews being sealed on their forehead in Revelation...not the Church.
then you should go back to bible school all God servants must be sealed


Revelation 9:4King James Version (KJV)


4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

If you dont have the seal of God then you have the mark of the beast
 
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Previously addressed.

The law of Moses was the basis of the Sinaitic covenant, which was added to the Abrahamic covenant.

There is nothing to add it to. But if we take this verse in truth and apply it to the ceremonial laws and the priestly service, then it makes sense.

The ceremonial laws were ADDED to the ten commandments, BECAUSE OF SIN AGAINST THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
Gal 3:19-25 contrasts the law to the promises given to Abraham.

The law of Moses was the basis of the Sinaitic covenant, which was added to the covenant of Abrahamic, to whom the promsies were given.

So then, the "schoolmaster" or forshadow of the priestly service, containing the ceremonial laws, which pointed to Christ Jesus, as He became our sacrifice for sin, and our High Priest.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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In your opinion, Is Christ's law different than His own Father's law given in the Pentateuch? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Christ's law (Mt 22:37-39) is a summation of the Ten Commandments, which was given in the Pentateuch.
 

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then you should go back to bible school all God servants must be sealed


Revelation 9:4King James Version (KJV)


4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

If you dont have the seal of God then you have the mark of the beast
The 144,000 are from the 12 tribes of Israel. That is not all believers, especially from the Church made up of believing Jews AND Gentiles...
Different sealing than what the Church has.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
 
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you see i did not mistake you

you are saying that the Father Law is Christ law yet Christ law is new and changes the Father law
Only when Christ's law in Mt 22:37-39 is not God's law.
 
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The 144,000 are from the 12 tribres of Israel. That is not all believers, especially from the Church made up of believing Jews AND Gentiles...

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
was the great multitude sealed ?

If not then they have the mark of the beast ?
 
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I quote these verses a lot Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .
Yes, Paul is defining the sinful unregenerate nature, those who are not born again.
 
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Which 'great multitude'? The 144,000? Give passage reference please.
[h=1]Revelation 7:9King James Version (KJV)[/h]9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Are you saying these people dont have the seal ?
 
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The law of Moses was the basis of the Sinaitic covenant, which was added to the Abrahamic covenant.
Gal 3:19-25 contrasts the law to the promises given to Abraham, not to the Ten Commandments.
The law of Moses was the basis of the Sinaitic covenant, which was added to the covenant of Abrahamic, to whom the promsies were given.
The Ten Commandments are not a foreshadow of Christ.
They are an expression of the character of God and the meaning of godliness.
When you read the epistles that refer to the law of Moses when by content you can see (if you believe in God) that it was speaking of rituals. No one who takes Christ and the Lord seriously would say that every time the epistles speak of the law of Moses they are speaking of the Holy Law instead of the letter of the law. Paul did not take into consideration our generation who sees God as a mean, threatening God so they could look down on holy law.

I don't think you have read the covenant God made with us at Mt Sinai. In that covenant the promise of rewards was not to give the reward of salvation for obedience. That reward is through grace and faith, faith so strong it results in action.
 

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[h=1]Revelation 7:9King James Version (KJV)[/h]9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Are you saying these people dont have the seal ?
Nope,
The Church ...they come from 'all nations' ..

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
 
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Nope,
The Church ...

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Here is a note not to cross
Was and is this a forshadow of revelation
Ezekiel 9 King James Version (KJV)


9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.


2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.


3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;


4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.


5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:


6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
 

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Now your imagery is the 144000 Jews being sealed on their forehead in Revelation...not the Church.
Just wanted to point out no where does it say the 144,000 are Jews. There are 12,000 each of each of the 12 tribes, with Ephraim and Dan being not included. Only 12,000 are of Judah, and 12,000 of Benjamin and 12,000 Levi, of which these three are of the House of Judah.
 
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Nope,
The Church ...they come from 'all nations' ..

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Are the 144 ooo part of the church ?
 
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[h=1]Revelation 14:1King James Version (KJV)[/h]14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

[h=1]Revelation 3:12King James Version (KJV)[/h]12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

 
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you said yep yet dont understand what yo read

What does it mean by
Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
That's the law and a good one like all the rest. All professing Christians should do this.
but, you see, that's exactly the Law we could not keep. :)

who can, in their own 'strength and power', do that?


we needed Jesus to come and do that for us,
because we could never, ever do it for ourselves.
 
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but, you see, that's exactly the Law we could not keep. :)

who can, in their own 'strength and power', do that?


we needed Jesus to come and do that for us,
because we could never, ever do it for ourselves.
What did Moses and the other Holy men kept ?