Would this be considered Satanic Heresy??

[CS1]

he rosary is indeed optional. It's one of the best options out there, but it is optional. But I believe you must be careful not to let your words mislead others. The rosary is optional but*Marian devotion is most certainly not. All of the great saints and spiritual writers have spoken consistently on this point.*A devotion to Our Blessed Lady is most necessary to salvation.

For those wishing to convert and embrace the Catholic faith, they must be encouraged to develop their devotion to Our Lady, as all Catholics must.*Because if you do not love Mary, you cannot love Jesus. If you have no love for Our Lady, and do not let her enter into your heart, then you are not a Catholic.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
SCIM.*

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satanic heresy ? praying to Mary satanic ? it could be a lot of things. it could be taught traditions that are error by those who are ignorant of the word of God when they rely on a Priest to give it to them. The Q? I got is not if it is right or wrong but those who attack the catholic people for praying to Mary instead of helping them see by the word of God all Mary said and Did. I will not disrespect the mother of Jesus I would not stand by and let anyone do that to my mother just saying. The bible says she is to be honored " she just a women God Chose " yes she is and she is to be called Blessed by all generations. the idea that Mary is the mother of Christians I would say not biblical the Mother of our Lord and that is why she is blessed. I would also say it is not good to provide undue honor too. We are only to do what the bible says we are to do in honoring Mary the Mother of our Lord praying to her not satanic but not scriptural. Worshiping her is wrong, the bible speaks clearly to who is to be worshiped only God. Mary even knew that and would not agree with her being prayed today nor being worshiped.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Jesus taught His disciples to pray. Who did He say pray to? His mother? No. Pray to the Father in the name of Jesus, and He will hear. When you deal wioth Catholics, engage them in these instructions about prayer from Jesus.
Matthew 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Luke 11:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

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Luke 16:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

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John 14:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

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John 16:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Then ask "where did Jesus recommend His mother as to who to pray to?"

"Oh, the Popes say so? Completely changed up the destination of prayer from to he Father God, to whom Jesus prayed, to His mom?" Your devotions center on a mortal human rather than the eternal King of kings, Lord of lords? Even a Jew would have taken instructions to pray to a man as heresy, and they still would object. It doesn't make a bit of sense. Marian devotion is junk religion. That can't possibly help a person focus on God, the focus being on a dead mommy. We love our Moms, but not more than God (I hope of you all). No mortal human could deserve even equal love, sharing any glory at all with Jesus. Don't keep putting glory on her. She would be terribly ashamed over all this if it were not for 'no tears allowed in Heaven'.

 

[damombomb]

Beads, burning candles to Marys pictures and bowing down to her is just not biblical, nor saints. Every knee shall bow to Jesus.
Even the angels said, see that you do it not, i am a fellow servant. Do you believe the Apostles would have let you bow down
and worship them? You as a human or servant , if you are called for a purpose, would you let someone do that?

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

This is a command from Yaweh/God

 

[elf3]

Yep heresy. We are only to pray to God the Father, Son or Holy Spirit.

The rosary and praying to the saints contradicts the first two Ten Commandments.

 

[crossnote]

Which Apostle taught the Rosary?
Did Jesus?
Did John who ended up taking care of Mary in her later years?
If any prayer I see this one taught...

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
(Mat 6:9-13)


Remember...
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
(Act 17:11)

 

[fredjames]

Fred having a problem understanding what you mean by this highlighted statement can you eloborate

Peace be with you sir pastac, let us start one by one. Which one you are having a problem with?

 

[pastac]

Peace be with you sir pastac, let us start one by one. Which one you are having a problem with?

Then as later we know she herself became a believer and followed JESUS until at the Cross. And that's when seeing her faith, JESUS proclaimed mother and son with Apostle John from then onwards.

 

[fredjames]

Then as later we know she herself became a believer and followed JESUS until at the Cross. And that's when seeing her faith, JESUS proclaimed mother and son with Apostle John from then onwards.

Please stop behaving like a goat and what the red letters signify, your anger? Did you know at first Mother Mary struggle to understand what the servant of GOD mentioned about her Son in the Temple. Didn't she struggle to understand young JESUS at the Temple but she 'kept' all of them? Didn't JESUS's brothers had unbelieve towards HIM? Didn't Mother Mary and sons went to a crowded house and waiting outside desiring to see HIM but what was HIS answer to them?

The same answer JESUS gave to those who had unbelieve in HIM. Later they grew in believe and Mother Mary was there on the 'Day of Pentecost' and brother James became the church leader of Jerusalem and one of his epistle is in the HOLY BIBLE and also as well as Jude's.

 

[kepha]

Which Apostle taught the Rosary?

Which Apostle taught the sinners prayer?

21. Many Protestants take a dim view towards Christian history in general, esp. the years from 313 (Constantine's conversion) to 1517 (Luther's arrival). This ignorance and hostility to Catholic Tradition leads to theological relativism, anti-Catholicism, and a constant, unnecessary process of "reinventing the wheel."
150 Reasons Why I'm Catholic (You Should Be Too!)

Journeying through the Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious and Luminous mysteries of the rosary, the individual brings to mind our Lord's incarnation, His life, His passion and death and His resurrection from the dead. In so doing, the rosary assists us in growing in a deeper appreciation of these mysteries, in uniting our life more closely to our Lord and in imploring His graced assistance to live the faith. Those who object to this just don't know any better.

Ignorance may be blissful, but it is never illuminating.

In 1571, Pope Pius V organized a fleet under the command of Don Juan of Austria the half-brother of King Philip II of Spain. While preparations were underway, the Holy Father asked all of the faithful to say the rosary and implore our Blessed Mother's prayers, under the title Our Lady of Victory, that our Lord would grant victory to the Christians. Although the Moslem fleet outnumbered that of the Christians in both vessels and sailors, the forces were ready to meet in battle. The Christian flagship flew a blue banner depicting Christ crucified. (not a Mary banner). On October 7, 1571, the Moslems were defeated at the Battle of Lepanto. The following year, Pope St. Pius V established the Feast of the Holy Rosary on October 7, where the faithful would not only remember this victory, but also give thanks to the Lord for all of His benefits and remember the powerful intercession of our Blessed Mother.

 

[crossnote]

Which Apostle taught the sinners prayer?

21. Many Protestants take a dim view towards Christian history in general, esp. the years from 313 (Constantine's conversion) to 1517 (Luther's arrival). This ignorance and hostility to Catholic Tradition leads to theological relativism, anti-Catholicism, and a constant, unnecessary process of "reinventing the wheel."
150 Reasons Why I'm Catholic (You Should Be Too!)

Journeying through the Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious and Luminous mysteries of the rosary, the individual brings to mind our Lord's incarnation, His life, His passion and death and His resurrection from the dead. In so doing, the rosary assists us in growing in a deeper appreciation of these mysteries, in uniting our life more closely to our Lord and in imploring His graced assistance to live the faith. Those who object to this just don't know any better.

Ignorance may be blissful, but it is never illuminating.

In 1571, Pope Pius V organized a fleet under the command of Don Juan of Austria the half-brother of King Philip II of Spain. While preparations were underway, the Holy Father asked all of the faithful to say the rosary and implore our Blessed Mother's prayers, under the title Our Lady of Victory, that our Lord would grant victory to the Christians. Although the Moslem fleet outnumbered that of the Christians in both vessels and sailors, the forces were ready to meet in battle. The Christian flagship flew a blue banner depicting Christ crucified. (not a Mary banner). On October 7, 1571, the Moslems were defeated at the Battle of Lepanto. The following year, Pope St. Pius V established the Feast of the Holy Rosary on October 7, where the faithful would not only remember this victory, but also give thanks to the Lord for all of His benefits and remember the powerful intercession of our Blessed Mother.

Actually the more I read that period in Church history the more I realize how anti-semitic Rome was.

 

[kepha]

Actually the more I read that period in Church history the more I realize how anti-semitic Rome was.

Then provide your sources of what you read of that period instead of making assertions.

Estimates of the number of Jewish men, women, and children murdered or driven to suicide by crusaders vary, ranging from 2,000 to 12,000.[SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP] Julius Aronius put the number slaughtered at 4,000, regarding other figures as too high.[SUP][13][/SUP] Norman Cohn puts the number at between 4,000 and 8,000 from May to June 1096.[SUP][11][/SUP] Gedaliah ibn Yahya estimated that some 5,000 Jews were slaughtered from April to June 1096.[SUP][15][/SUP] Edward H. Flannery's estimate is that 10,000 were murdered over the longer January-to-July period, "probably one-fourth to one-third of the Jewish population of Germany and Northern France at that time."[SUP][16][/SUP]The Church opposed these attacks, and local clergy often came to the defense of Jews in their community.
People's Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We might well wish that the relationship between the medieval Catholic Church and the Jews had been better, friendlier, more modern. But it was not modern, nor should we expect it to be. It was, however, a relationship marked by mutual respect and a remarkable degree of tolerance in an age that knew little of either...

...I[SIZE=-1]t was St. Augustine who laid the second foundation of the medieval Church’s attitude toward the Jews. Writing in the late fourth and early fifth centuries, Augustine rejected the claims of some Christians that the Jews were the servants of the devil.[/SIZE]...

...The fall of the Roman Empire in the late fifth century left chaos in its wake as barbarian tribes fought over the dismembered corpse of antiquity. The collapse of the Roman state forced the Catholic Church to step into the vacuum, feeding the poor, caring for the sick, organizing defenses, and trying to build some kind of order in so much mayhem. The popes in Rome soon took direct control over the city and region, becoming secular lords as well as spiritual leaders. The same was true with other bishops across western Europe. Thus began the Middle Ages.

Pope Gregory I (590-604) spelled out Church policy toward the Jews in his decree Sicut Iudaeis Non....

Gregory wrote, “Just as the Jews should not in their synagogues be free to do anything not permitted by law, so also in those things granted them they should have no infringement of their rights.” During his pontificate, he put these words into practice, intervening to protect Jews from violence and insisting that Jewish rituals be tolerated. Yet he had no power to force faraway barbarian lords, many of whom were not Catholic, to heed his commands. In his own domains, however, Gregory rigorously defended the Jews. Indeed, throughout the thousand years of the Middle Ages, Rome and the papal states were the only places in western Europe where the Jews were at all times free from attacks or expulsions. The medieval papacy’s unfailing defense of the Jews was not lost on the Jews themselves, who frequently came to the throne of St. Peter for justice and support against their enemies.
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The next few centuries were bad ones for the Church. Europe was hit by a new set of punishing invasions that tore apart what little order had been restored since the fall of the Roman Empire. It was only in the eleventh century that the Church could raise its head above the rubble and begin rebuilding. The reform movement of that century quickly picked up steam, restoring pa­pal control over the Church and rooting out clerical abuses. The popes were particularly concerned about ending violence, not only against Jews but against all noncombatants. Initiatives like the Peace of God and Truce of God were devised by the Church to stop the killing, but such efforts met with limited success.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The resurgence of the Church in the eleventh century also allowed Christians in western Europe to take stock of Christianity’s position in the wider world. It was not a happy picture. Core Christian lands like Egypt, Syria, and Asia Minor had fallen to Muslim invaders. Even the birthplace of Christianity had been conquered. The Crusades began in 1095, when Pope Urban II called the knights of western Christendom to come to the aid of their eastern brothers and restore to them the lands that had been conquered by the Muslims. (who acted much the same as the ISIS)

The Crusades are often cited as an early manifestation of European anti-Semitism. That is simply wrong. Anti-Semitism was alive and well long before the Crusades and would remain so long after the last crusader had hung up his sword. From the very beginning of the Crusades, the Church made a sharp distinction between Muslims and Jews. In a letter to the bishops of Spain, Pope Alexander II specifically forbade anyone from equating holy wars against Muslims with violence against Jews. He wrote, “The matter of the Jews is entirely different from that of the Muslims: the latter actively engage in war against Christians; the former are everywhere ready to remain peaceful.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Nevertheless, many Jews were killed in the Crusades. During the First, Second, and Third Crusades, there were misguided, misinformed, or cynical attacks on Jews. The Church actively opposed these attacks, and local clergy often came to the defense of Jews in their community. St. Bernard of Clairvaux, preaching the Second Crusade, told the soldiers of Christ, “The Jews are not to be persecuted, killed, or even put to flight.” When a fellow Cistercian monk began exhorting Germans to destroy the Jews before waging war on the Muslims, St. Bernard went personally to put a stop to it.
As Rabbi Efraim of Bonn wrote: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Bernard said to them [the Crusaders]: “It is good that you go against the Ishmaelites [Muslims]. But whosoever touches a Jew to take his life, is like one who harms Jesus himself….” When our enemies heard his words, many of them ceased plotting to kill us…. Were it not for the mercy of our creator in sending the aforementioned abbot [Bernard] and his later letters, no remnant or vestige would have remained of Israel. Blessed be the redeemer and savior, blessed be his name.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1]The Crusades were bad for European Jews because the religious enthusiasm that they engendered often spilled over into popular attacks on the “infidels” at home. But the purpose of the Crusades was never to kill Jews.

Thomas F. Madden is associate professor and chair of the Department of History at Saint Louis University in St. Louis, Missouri. He is the author of [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Enrico Dandolo and the Rise of Venice, A Concise History of the Crusades, The Crusades: The Essential Readings, and coauthor of The Fourth Crusade.[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[kepha]

The accusation of anti-Semitism from the Catholic Church can easily be disproven from primary sources. One reason for this lie is to create a smokescreen or cover-up of the anti-Semitism of the reformers. Here is what Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, had to say about the Jews:

Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...

Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self­glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians...

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed...

John Calvin:
Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.

So what fuels this lie about Catholicism being anti-Semitic? Where is the proof? a Jackkk Chickkk tract?