A Study of the Scriptures: All the Stories in the Bible.

[Jason0047]

i thought in the pm, you had said that if the bible mentioned a number, we would discuss it... it's a three part blessing in that sentence... "God blessed Noah and his sons..." the part about the animals is in another sentence, and can be seen as a blessing or a statement... Noah and his sons had other implied blessings, too, such as seeedtime and harvest...

I said if a number is specifically mentioned. God doesn't say, I bless you with these three things. The following sentence about the fear of the animals could be seen as a blessing, too (As you just acknowledged). For it shows that man has dominion over the animals (Which is part of the command in the original creation). Which is a good thing and not a bad thing. Animals are to fear and respect man, just as man is to fear and respect God. For you also admit that other implied blessings, too. In other words, it is not really three blessings because God's blessings to Noah cannot be caged up or confined by a sentence. Sentence structure does not rule the truth over God's blessings to Noah. Sentences do not rule over God's blessings.

In fact, I don't know if you remember this in English class, but when you write a proper paragraph, the best way to do so is to have your first sentence as the defining purpose of that paragraph. The first sentence (that stated the purpose) and or the following sentences within that paragraph are the listed reasons that back up that first sentence within that paragraph. In other words, we really can't see it just a three part blessing alone because God blesses Noah with other blessings; And sentence structure does not rule over the truth of God's Word.

Also, no number was specifically mentioned here. Yes, at times, I am open to acknowledging how many times something will occur, but that needs to be compared as a whole within the entire text within the story, book, or the Bible. But I want you to try and not count things for a while and just explain the text. That is what we are primarily are doing here. Anyone can countt things, but it is another matter to explain things.

 

[Jason0047]

Noah had three sons, they form the building blocks for the earth to be replenished... just as plants form the building blocks for life, energy, on earth... plants made on day three...

It's a loose parallel and I sort of see where you are coming from. However, we also have to acknowledge the truth that man, the animals, and the plants were all present both at the creation and after the global flood. All of these things no doubt played an important part of both worlds. But I do see where you are coming from. Both worlds included,

(1) Plants
(2) Animals
(3) Man

 

[Jason0047]

It's a loose parallel and I sort of see where you are coming from. However, we also have to acknowledge the truth that man, the animals, and the plants were all present both at the creation and after the global flood. All of these things no doubt played an important part of both worlds. But I do see where you are coming from. Both worlds included,

(1) Plants
(2) Animals
(3) Man

This three part structure of life within the creation most likely is an acknowledment of the Trinity (i.e. the Godhead).

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[Dan_473]

In other words, folks can point out the number of things, but without an explanation it doesn't really mean anything. For it would be like pointing out the fact that my car has four tires; But without explaining why or how my car has four tires, it doesn't really mean anything.

The purpose of this Study is to explain what the text is saying. Anyways, please respect how this Bible Study is done, my friend. I would like to keep this as a normal Bible Study.

yes, the explanation is important...I think I included some explaining, I can give more, if anyone requests it...
and yes, I do agree to respect how the study is done... when a number is mentioned, here it was three, we talk about it...

 

[Jason0047]

yes, the explanation is important...I think I included some explaining, I can give more, if anyone requests it...and yes, I do agree to respect how the study is done... when a number is mentioned, here it was three, we talk about it...

Well, this is not a debate thread. I am not here to debate with you on how this Bible Study is done. We are here to explain or expound upon the text and not just count things and not explain them (Giving no meaning or understanding). We are here to gain meaning and understanding. Counting things (without thinking about the text) does not give you meaning or understanding. That is what I am trying to get you away from so that you can focus on just explaining the text for a while instead of just counting all the time. I want you to think about a text and see how it would apply to us today and or how it might line up with our Savior Jesus Christ. What is that passage saying? Not.... lets look to see if there is a number in this passage and then point out another number in Scripture (With providing no added meaning or explanation). I want you to explain the text. Stop counting things for a while; And just think about what the text is saying. What is God's Word trying to say to you with His words? The message is not numbers. Although God uses numbers for His glory, God is trying to convey meaning and thought to you behind the words that He conveys. I want you to try and figure that out.

 

[Jason0047]

In other words, it doesn't help you and or other people who are reading this thread to just point out random parallel of numbers within the Scriptures with no well thought out explanation behind it. This is why I want you to stay away from counting for a while so that you can open your mind to letting God talk to you with just the text. So you can point out other parallel passages in Scripture and explain what that text is trying to say to us. Giving us a proper explanation. Giving us meaning and understanding. If you don't know what the text says, ask God to help you, my friend.

 

[Jason0047]

In other words, it doesn't help you and or other people who are reading this thread to just point out random parallel of numbers within the Scriptures with no well thought out explanation behind it. This is why I want you to stay away from counting for a while so that you can open your mind to letting God talk to you with just the text. So you can point out other parallel passages in Scripture and explain what that text is trying to say to us. Giving us a proper explanation. Giving us meaning and understanding. If you don't know what the text says, ask God to help you, my friend.

Jeremiah 33:3

 

[Jason0047]

Dear Dan:

Please do not reply to the following posts above. This is not a debate thread. It's a Study thread where we explain what God's Word is trying to say to us. Please just try and explain things within God's Word for a while (Instead of providing information about how many times something occurs). We need meaning and understanding. Just pointing out how many times something occurs does not give meaning or understanding.

 

[Dan_473]

I said if a number is specifically mentioned. God doesn't say, I bless you with these three things. The following sentence about the fear of the animals could be seen as a blessing, too (As you just acknowledged). For it shows that man has dominion over the animals (Which is part of the command in the original creation). Which is a good thing and not a bad thing. Animals are to fear and respect man, just as man is to fear and respect God. For you also admit that other implied blessings, too. In other words, it is not really three blessings because God's blessings to Noah cannot be caged up or confined by a sentence. Sentence structure does not rule the truth over God's blessings to Noah. Sentences do not rule over God's blessings.

In fact, I don't know if you remember this in English class, but when you write a proper paragraph, the best way to do so is to have your first sentence as the defining purpose of that paragraph. The first sentence (that stated the purpose) and or the following sentences within that paragraph are the listed reasons that back up that first sentence within that paragraph. In other words, we really can't see it just a three part blessing alone because God blesses Noah with other blessings; And sentence structure does not rule over the truth of God's Word.

Also, no number was specifically mentioned here. Yes, at times, I am open to acknowledging how many times something will occur, but that needs to be compared as a whole within the entire text within the story, book, or the Bible. But I want you to try and not count things for a while and just explain the text. That is what we are primarily are doing here. Anyone can countt things, but it is another matter to explain things.

three is mentioned, gen19:9 "These are the three sons of Noah"
I was taking as a given that the kjv is God's inspired word... I think the sentences are part of that...

 

[Jason0047]

three is mentioned, gen19:9 "These are the three sons of Noah"
I was taking as a given that the kjv is God's inspired word... I think the sentences are part of that...

This is not the problem I had. It was your post about the three blessings (Which is actually not really stated as three blessings). Please do not reply to this post. If you want to reply on this, please PM me. This is not a debate thread. It is a study thread. Counting things is not the purpose of this thread. This is a Study Thread of God's Word whereby we explain things. That is the purpose of this thread. To explain the text. Not count things (And not offer a proper explanation).

 

[Jason0047]

And the LORD said,
"Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

"now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."

I also want to point out that man has reached a point of great power to do whatever he imagines. In essence, they were a one world governent. However, having a one world government it would be difficult for God's people to flourish today without severe persecution. Therefore, I believe (In addition to spreading man accross the Earth) another reason why God confounded the languages at the Tower of Babel was to create many nations so as to protect the future of God's people and to get His message out to more people. For with man: Power corrupts; And absolute power corrupts absolutely. For when the Anti-Christ appears on the scene, he will set out to rule the world and kill many by enforcing the Mark of the Beast. For the antichrist will set up a one world order whereby he can set out to do whatever he imagines (Just as the people at the Tower of Babel were powerful enough to do whatever they imagined).

 

[Jason0047]

New Thread Rule.

Rule #4.

If an actual number appears in the Bible, we can discuss it so long as we give the meaning by showing the context with a parallel verse that says the same thing. If you are to point out such a parallel, it is good to either show all the verses and or give a detailed explanation why that number has significance. As for counting: While counting things at times can be fruitful and I will allow it on certain occasions, it should NOT be how one does this study daily. Our normal study should be explaining the text and how it is relevant for us today and or how it points to Jesus.

 

[Jason0047]

So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.Therefore is the name of it called "Babel"; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

(Genesis 11:1-9).

The Tower Babel is part of the origin of all the races (with it's different languages) that we see, too. Yes, before the flood there was no doubt different races. But after the flood, Noah and his family needed to repopulate the Earth again.

Anyways, today we can see proof of the different races coming out of Noah's three sons (And the different languages that correspond with them - With the Confounding of the Language at the Tower of Babel). For today, several couples have had given birth to black and white twins.



A simple Google Image search on "black white twins" will of course reveal more images. However, this just goes to show people that the stories in God's Word are very real.

 

[Jason0047]

While I don't believe every archeological piece of evidence that is proposed to support the Bible, I do believe there are some out there that are real. An ancient stone tablet of Nebechanezzar with a drawing of a Tower next to him is believed by scholars to be the Tower of Babel. While I cannot say with 100% certainty that it is the Tower of Babel in this drawing, I do believe it is possible it is authentic.

One of the earliest drawings of the Tower of Babel found on ancient stone tablet | Daily Mail Online

 

[Jason0047]

Story #7 - The Story of the Tower of Babel.

~ God spreads mankind over the Earth ~

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

"The whole Earth was of one language and of one speech."

Like there was one language, God chose one nation; Which was Israel.
(Please keep reading to see the further tie-in comment).

And they said one to another,
"Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly."

And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

And they said one to another, "Go to, let us make brick,"

Jesus is the cornerstone that the builders rejected (Acts 4:11) (Psalm 118:22).

And they said,
"Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven;

And they said, "God to, let us build ... a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven;"

And Jesus said,
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

(John 3:13)

and let us make us a name,

"and let us make a name,"

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:11).

lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

"lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

Jesus said,
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

And the LORD came down

"And the Lord came down"

And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. (John 1:14).

to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

"to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded."

And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying,
"Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest."

And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying,
"Who is this?"

And the multitude said,
"This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee."

And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

And said unto them,
"It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

(Matthew 21:9-13).

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth upsome other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10:1).

And the LORD said,
"Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

"and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."

"The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, ..."

(Luke 24:7).

"they have all one language; ... Go to, let us go down, and confound their language."

Like there was one language, God chose one nation (Israel). However, Israel rejected their Messiah (Jesus), like those who had rejected God at the Tower of Babel. So God opened the door to the Gentiles (i.e. who were a people of many different tongues or languages).

So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.Therefore is the name of it called "Babel"; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

(Genesis 11:1-9).

"Babel"

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,
"Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

that is to say,
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said,
"This man calleth for Elias."

(Matthew 27:46-47).

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:"
(2 Corinthians 4:3)

 

[Dan_473]

It's a loose parallel and I sort of see where you are coming from. However, we also have to acknowledge the truth that man, the animals, and the plants were all present both at the creation and after the global flood. All of these things no doubt played an important part of both worlds. But I do see where you are coming from. Both worlds included,

(1) Plants
(2) Animals
(3) Man

they were all present at creation, plants were made on day three...

 

[Dan_473]

In other words, it doesn't help you and or other people who are reading this thread to just point out random parallel of numbers within the Scriptures with no well thought out explanation behind it. This is why I want you to stay away from counting for a while so that you can open your mind to letting God talk to you with just the text. So you can point out other parallel passages in Scripture and explain what that text is trying to say to us. Giving us a proper explanation. Giving us meaning and understanding. If you don't know what the text says, ask God to help you, my friend.

I don't believe I was talking about random parallels of numbers... I thought you were doing an excellent job of explaining aspects of the text... I didn't see a reason to say again what you had already well said...

 

[Dan_473]

Jeremiah 33:3

amen to that!

 

[Dan_473]

Dear Dan:

Please do not reply to the following posts above. This is not a debate thread. It's a Study thread where we explain what God's Word is trying to say to us. Please just try and explain things within God's Word for a while (Instead of providing information about how many times something occurs). We need meaning and understanding. Just pointing out how many times something occurs does not give meaning or understanding.

not sure what you mean by "the following posts above"... if you mean earlier posts, it's too late... I go through the posts in order, so I didn't see this one till now...
the numbers are part of God's word, but yes, I agree to talk about them just when the text does...

 

[Dan_473]

This is not the problem I had. It was your post about the three blessings (Which is actually not really stated as three blessings). Please do not reply to this post. If you want to reply on this, please PM me. This is not a debate thread. It is a study thread. Counting things is not the purpose of this thread. This is a Study Thread of God's Word whereby we explain things. That is the purpose of this thread. To explain the text. Not count things (And not offer a proper explanation).

I read your request, but I feel I must reply on the thread because I think you accidentally misstated something I wrote... I don't believe I said Three blessings, I believe I said Three part blessing...

"Not count things (And not offer a proper explanation)." ... if you are implying that I didn't offer a proper explanation, then I disagree.