ONE BAPTISM - Ephesians 4:5
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In context and in harmony with the original language it is referring to Holy Spirit baptism. The one and only baptism that saves. The baptism that only God through Christ can administer.
You know the Holy Spirit baptism you refuse to believe in. The Holy Spirit the Comforter, the third person in the Godhead.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You know the Holy Spirit baptism you refuse to believe in. The Holy Spirit the Comforter, the third person in the Godhead.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The verse does not say "one Holy Spirit baptism". As Atwood would post:
[No Holy Spirit in the verse]
What in the immediate context implies the verse refers to some kind of figurative spirit baptism and not literal water baptism.
And how many is one?
1 Cor 1:14,16 and 1 Cor 12:13 - do both refer to one baptism or two different baptisms?
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one means "singular"
baptizo literally means "immersion" and culturally (with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O) was a ritual act signifying identification with a particular master/teacher/precept with regards to discipleship, having roots in the Levitical ceremonial washing for the purposes of ritual purity and cleanness, used ceremonially for the sanctification and setting apart of priests for particular religious service.
Jesus referred to His work at the cross as "baptism" (Mark 10:38-39, Luke 12:50)
Peter identified the giving of the Holy Spirit as "baptism" (Acts 11:15-16)
Paul refers to the exodus as "baptism" (1 Corinthians 10:2)
John the Baptist drew a sharp distinction between his "baptism" - with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O - and Christ's "baptism" - with spirit and fire (Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16)
baptizo literally means "immersion" and culturally (with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O) was a ritual act signifying identification with a particular master/teacher/precept with regards to discipleship, having roots in the Levitical ceremonial washing for the purposes of ritual purity and cleanness, used ceremonially for the sanctification and setting apart of priests for particular religious service.
Jesus referred to His work at the cross as "baptism" (Mark 10:38-39, Luke 12:50)
Peter identified the giving of the Holy Spirit as "baptism" (Acts 11:15-16)
Paul refers to the exodus as "baptism" (1 Corinthians 10:2)
John the Baptist drew a sharp distinction between his "baptism" - with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O - and Christ's "baptism" - with spirit and fire (Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16)
Your aversion to Christ's water baptism is very telling.
F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).
There is nothing in the context that suggests it refers to "spirit baptism" F.F. Bruce goes on to say "If 'one baptism' here had meant Spirit-baptism to the exclusion of water baptism, it would have been associated with `one Spirit,' and not with `one Lord'." The Epistle to the Ephesians (Old Tappan, New Jersey: Fleming H. Revell Company, 1961), p. 80.
Does 1 Cor 1:14,16 and 1 Cor 12:13 refer to ONE water baptism or TWO different baptisms?
F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).
There is nothing in the context that suggests it refers to "spirit baptism" F.F. Bruce goes on to say "If 'one baptism' here had meant Spirit-baptism to the exclusion of water baptism, it would have been associated with `one Spirit,' and not with `one Lord'." The Epistle to the Ephesians (Old Tappan, New Jersey: Fleming H. Revell Company, 1961), p. 80.
Does 1 Cor 1:14,16 and 1 Cor 12:13 refer to ONE water baptism or TWO different baptisms?
Baptism is to be fully immersed and/or enveloped in any given situation. In Christ it is to be fully immersed with the Holy Spirit and cleansed by the fire, i.e. continuously refined and purified.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
There you go again. Saying things that are not true. I have no problem with water baptism. I only have a problem with water baptism being necessary for salvation.
Holy Spirit baptism is the only baptism necessary for salvation. One baptism that saves. Many washings to proclaim devotion to purity and holiness to God.
Water washes the body outside. The Holy Spirit quickens the soul inside.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Holy Spirit baptism is the only baptism necessary for salvation. One baptism that saves. Many washings to proclaim devotion to purity and holiness to God.
Water washes the body outside. The Holy Spirit quickens the soul inside.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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NOTUPTOME, I would like to know that if you don't have any problem with water baptism why are you being
baptized in water if it is not necessary for salvation ? or have you not being baptized in water yet; and if not please consider
the following verses .
first John the Baptist and Jesus Mat3:13-16 second Mat 21:25 third Mark 16:16 fourth Acts 2 :38 fifth 1 Pet 3:21
men are commanded to do water baptism Mat 28:19 the Lord does spirit baptism and fire Mat 3 :11
NOTICE the phrase HE shall baptize you. ( the Lord will do that not men ) God bless.......
baptized in water if it is not necessary for salvation ? or have you not being baptized in water yet; and if not please consider
the following verses .
first John the Baptist and Jesus Mat3:13-16 second Mat 21:25 third Mark 16:16 fourth Acts 2 :38 fifth 1 Pet 3:21
men are commanded to do water baptism Mat 28:19 the Lord does spirit baptism and fire Mat 3 :11
NOTICE the phrase HE shall baptize you. ( the Lord will do that not men ) God bless.......
In water baptism God (without co-operation with the recipient) is at work through the Holy Spirit, with water as a means conferring grace to the believers, the Elect.
There is a subtle despise against water baptism among many christians. I wonder if not the origin of it is to be found within the gnostic mindset...something "physical" cannot provide the spiritual. That would not be spiritual enough.
God, however, has chosen this form of the New Covenant sign and seal, with same function as circumcision had in the Old Covenant.
There is a subtle despise against water baptism among many christians. I wonder if not the origin of it is to be found within the gnostic mindset...something "physical" cannot provide the spiritual. That would not be spiritual enough.
God, however, has chosen this form of the New Covenant sign and seal, with same function as circumcision had in the Old Covenant.
If water baptism is not necessary to being saved, then why should anyone be water baptized, as the eunuch was?
You say you have no problem with water baptism but think people are spirit baptized, but that is TWO baptisms not ONE.
Again, is the baptism in 1 Cor 1:14,16 the same one baptism of 1 Cor 12:13?
You say you have no problem with water baptism but think people are spirit baptized, but that is TWO baptisms not ONE.
Again, is the baptism in 1 Cor 1:14,16 the same one baptism of 1 Cor 12:13?
Paul is not saying to depart from or abandoned the first principles but to build upon the foundation of the first principles.
All the various religious groups contradict each other, even on the 'elementary doctrines' so how can they move on from what they cannot even agree upon? How they move on to more advanced things when not even able to agree upon what are suppose to be simple things?
All the various religious groups contradict each other, even on the 'elementary doctrines' so how can they move on from what they cannot even agree upon? How they move on to more advanced things when not even able to agree upon what are suppose to be simple things?
The command to be baptized is Holy Spirit not water. This is the lynch pin of your error.
Salvation is a heart matter. Holy Spirit baptism is a heart matter. Water baptism is a Jewish tradition.
Even today when a Jewish person claims to be saved by grace through faith in Christ the Messiah his friends and family will endeavor to persuade him or her to recant right up and until he or she receives water baptism. After water baptism they are considered dead and separated from the Jewish religion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Salvation is a heart matter. Holy Spirit baptism is a heart matter. Water baptism is a Jewish tradition.
Even today when a Jewish person claims to be saved by grace through faith in Christ the Messiah his friends and family will endeavor to persuade him or her to recant right up and until he or she receives water baptism. After water baptism they are considered dead and separated from the Jewish religion.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
is it H[SUB]2[/SUB]O we ought to walk in and remain in, or Christ?
should we encourage each other not to leave our bathtubs, or not to let our feet stray from the Way?
H[SUB]2[/SUB]O didn't wash away my sin. the blood of Jesus Christ did. it is in Him we ought to be immersed, and in Him we ought to dwell, and in Him we receive redemption, sanctification, justification, and the eternal promise and hope which IS Him.
here is where my soul was redeemed:
not here:
