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I think I see the problem. (I'm amazed, I've never seen people not understand something so simple...)
It appears that many people here don't even know what baptism means. Why take issue with the simple meaning? It is all about dying to self as Jesus did. Baptism is crucifixion. Be glad that we have only the water ritual and not what each of us really deserves... or do some not think they need to die to self and demonstrate it in the appointed way? Why instead, argue that it means only HS baptism? Where on earth did THAT rebellious spirit come from? I mentioned this earlier, and it was like someone sicced the wolves on me, as though that wasn't the issue... so what IS the issue?
People here don't know what "baptism" means. Let's see some scholarly acknowledgement from everyone here that it is full submission and personal total participation WATER/BLOOD/HOLY SPIRIT of Christ Jesus who is the Gateway to the Kingdom to those who humbly submit. Can we all agree on this? This argument by "Christians" is really embarrassing for me to witness, please stop this sillyness
It appears that many people here don't even know what baptism means. Why take issue with the simple meaning? It is all about dying to self as Jesus did. Baptism is crucifixion. Be glad that we have only the water ritual and not what each of us really deserves... or do some not think they need to die to self and demonstrate it in the appointed way? Why instead, argue that it means only HS baptism? Where on earth did THAT rebellious spirit come from? I mentioned this earlier, and it was like someone sicced the wolves on me, as though that wasn't the issue... so what IS the issue?
People here don't know what "baptism" means. Let's see some scholarly acknowledgement from everyone here that it is full submission and personal total participation WATER/BLOOD/HOLY SPIRIT of Christ Jesus who is the Gateway to the Kingdom to those who humbly submit. Can we all agree on this? This argument by "Christians" is really embarrassing for me to witness, please stop this sillyness
The problem is many in the christian church want to add the word "water" every time they see the word. Not only is it not used explicitly with water in greek texts. It is not in scripture either