The MOST CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT MADE
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what part of "don't be afraid that i reject the commandments" is hard for you to understand?
did you skip post #296 just like you skipped all the questions i've asked you?
so which are you calling a doctrine of man?
that we are justified by faith, not works?
that the Lord is faithful to receive anyone who believes and comes to Him?
what is the real context of the scripture i referenced?
did you skip post #296 just like you skipped all the questions i've asked you?
so which are you calling a doctrine of man?
that we are justified by faith, not works?
that the Lord is faithful to receive anyone who believes and comes to Him?
what is the real context of the scripture i referenced?
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This is a quote from a Church website that has a "preacher Bible school".
"Members are given the right to follow and interpret the Word of God according to the dictates of personal conscience."
This is just one reason why I look at what others have said about a passage I may be looking at. I don't want my conscience or understanding to dilute the Word of God. If I enter a study with a preconceived idea of what the final meaning is I could come up with something way off the mark, as we have seen some "whackadoodles" (my wife's word) do on here.
There was a man named Charles Taze Russell who did this once. He was the founder of the Jehovahs Witness. They don't believe in the deity of Jesus. They have even made their own "translation" of the Bible to try and support their thinking.
Now I am in no way saying anyone here does this. I just want to make others aware of what could possibly happen if we only rely on ourselves for Biblical interpretation.
First and foremost I would urge everyone to at least pray Proverbs 3:5,6 before you read God's Word. (Just a suggestion and not telling others they must do this, but personally I think it helps)
And finally I don't and never will say I know more than anyone else.
"Members are given the right to follow and interpret the Word of God according to the dictates of personal conscience."
This is just one reason why I look at what others have said about a passage I may be looking at. I don't want my conscience or understanding to dilute the Word of God. If I enter a study with a preconceived idea of what the final meaning is I could come up with something way off the mark, as we have seen some "whackadoodles" (my wife's word) do on here.
There was a man named Charles Taze Russell who did this once. He was the founder of the Jehovahs Witness. They don't believe in the deity of Jesus. They have even made their own "translation" of the Bible to try and support their thinking.
Now I am in no way saying anyone here does this. I just want to make others aware of what could possibly happen if we only rely on ourselves for Biblical interpretation.
First and foremost I would urge everyone to at least pray Proverbs 3:5,6 before you read God's Word. (Just a suggestion and not telling others they must do this, but personally I think it helps)
And finally I don't and never will say I know more than anyone else.
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And being completely honest...yeah greatly offended by you saying "no wonder your confused". By you judging me by the way I study means you think your "study" is better than mine. Now understand I don't get offended much by what others say but when it comes to God's Word and my personal study yeah I take that pretty serious. I don't just "read" God's Word...I get into God's Word.
This is a perfect example of me being a "Son of thunder, lightning, hail and high winds" as I will die defending Gods Word. I take studying God's Word very serious.
Not saying others don't take it just as serious, but this is me.
This is a perfect example of me being a "Son of thunder, lightning, hail and high winds" as I will die defending Gods Word. I take studying God's Word very serious.
Not saying others don't take it just as serious, but this is me.
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I'm halfway through this study on sozo/soteria (save/saved) and let me just say, there's gonna be a ton of discussion on many many topics from this. As well as answers to given scriptures for baptism whether it is or isn't commanded and everything required to obtain salvation (from scriptures taken in this study, there could be more and save/saved may not be the wsame ts used in the verse) and as for the context using Luke 7:50 alone. I need to see you justify your reason for all the other scriptures that mean the same as this cause there are a ton of times where people and their faith had made them whole from disease, pain, or just sin. Not nessecarily saved in the definition of eternal salvation. When you see my concluded study, also understand the context of the entire event in Luke 7 especially the parable beforehand and its relation to the woman's actions to Christ. I'm telling ya'll, this study is a doozy! Good stuff coming in the next day or so!
#296...wrong reason.....
Acts 19:1-6King James Version (KJV)
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
if someone ask you ...have you received the Holy Ghost since you believe?... you get the impression that once you believe you should receive the HS....but you answer in the negative because you have not received....then they ask you... Unto what then were ye baptized?.....now you get the impression you have to believe and be baptised....to receive the HS...but you believe and you were baptised....so what went wrong......And they said, Unto John's baptism......wrong baptism...Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus......When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
now there is no mention of water ...can anyone deny it is water baptism being spoken about here?
Acts 19:1-6King James Version (KJV)
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
if someone ask you ...have you received the Holy Ghost since you believe?... you get the impression that once you believe you should receive the HS....but you answer in the negative because you have not received....then they ask you... Unto what then were ye baptized?.....now you get the impression you have to believe and be baptised....to receive the HS...but you believe and you were baptised....so what went wrong......And they said, Unto John's baptism......wrong baptism...Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus......When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
now there is no mention of water ...can anyone deny it is water baptism being spoken about here?
You are not alone nor singled out and i am no better than you either but in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, i am truly humbled to your respond and you are truly blessed and by GOD's will and GOD's help you continue from Good wise Kingdom faith to faith. This humble and humility manner, GOD will in everyone is the winning formula for victory towards brother kindness.
The LORD want me to encourage everyone and especially you and also as a reminder and a stir up of memory to our 'single faith' that there was also a competition between JESUS's disciples and also the mother of John and James was involved, about who is the greatest. As a new believer reading this passage, in my thinking, i already decided (like Prophet Samuel initially decided in his thinking the next King of Israel but learning soon that GOD's choice is not how man see), that Peter and John will be the first choice. But the wisdom of GOD was otherwise and JESUS said like this;
"Whoever is the least important here on earth, is the greatest in Heaven."
And John the Baptist said about JESUS, to his disciples that;
"I must decrease and HE must increase."
i hope all dearly beloved CHRIST's laborer understand and are encouraged in the Kingdom order from above, the Heavenly Spiritual 'manna' that we are able to partake and by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT's Kingdom knowledge justification that, in our labor witnessing, JESUS in action and Spiritual knowledge must increase in the hearts of lambs and sheep of GOD and the laborer must decrease as least important here on earth.
Dearly beloved, i am also no better than you all, for this is the manifestation of the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT of Kingdom knowledge wisdom placed in me to built up HIS redeemed people, that is in service to you and not to be served. Please keep me also in your prayer that i am able to labor further to built up others to 'one Kingdom Spiritual knowledge unity'.
Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The LORD want me to encourage everyone and especially you and also as a reminder and a stir up of memory to our 'single faith' that there was also a competition between JESUS's disciples and also the mother of John and James was involved, about who is the greatest. As a new believer reading this passage, in my thinking, i already decided (like Prophet Samuel initially decided in his thinking the next King of Israel but learning soon that GOD's choice is not how man see), that Peter and John will be the first choice. But the wisdom of GOD was otherwise and JESUS said like this;
"Whoever is the least important here on earth, is the greatest in Heaven."
And John the Baptist said about JESUS, to his disciples that;
"I must decrease and HE must increase."
i hope all dearly beloved CHRIST's laborer understand and are encouraged in the Kingdom order from above, the Heavenly Spiritual 'manna' that we are able to partake and by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT's Kingdom knowledge justification that, in our labor witnessing, JESUS in action and Spiritual knowledge must increase in the hearts of lambs and sheep of GOD and the laborer must decrease as least important here on earth.
Dearly beloved, i am also no better than you all, for this is the manifestation of the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT of Kingdom knowledge wisdom placed in me to built up HIS redeemed people, that is in service to you and not to be served. Please keep me also in your prayer that i am able to labor further to built up others to 'one Kingdom Spiritual knowledge unity'.
Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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I did it...have fun! http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...lusion-sozo-study-good-stuff.html#post1745141
my, with all due respect to you reply is not pin pointing based on your anger but your young ignorance to John 3;5. You and others and i cannot justify that without Baptism one in believing, is justified as saved because there is also continuing knowledge about physical baptism and this in negligence may be in future be justified as 'lawlessness' in continuous ignorance.
Because in the book of Acts, after the resurrection of JESUS, Philip baptized the Eunuch and upon together seeing water. Apostle Peter also said, 'Who is going to stop us from baptizing people'. Apostle Paul also mentioned about physically burying the old man and coming out of the water a new person or being buried with CHRIST and then resurrect with CHRIST.
This is also i believe is a public declaration, witnessing to other believers who are present together and the Kingdom of GOD, of their conversion into the faith. And Abraham (written in the New Testament as our 'Father of faith'), in faith at that time in agreement to GOD, circumcised him and all his household males to GOD's promise (for we know, in future fulfilled through CHRIST).
Everyone, once and for all please read John 3;5, where JESUS clearly speak about baptism and water is also mentioned by HIM, also saying, "...., 'unless one is born of water' ......".
What does this mean then?
That 'water baptism' is essential to those who have become believers of the Gospel and continuing in 'practices' of them and accepting in 'agreement' to GOD of the New Covenant of Eternal Life.
Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Because in the book of Acts, after the resurrection of JESUS, Philip baptized the Eunuch and upon together seeing water. Apostle Peter also said, 'Who is going to stop us from baptizing people'. Apostle Paul also mentioned about physically burying the old man and coming out of the water a new person or being buried with CHRIST and then resurrect with CHRIST.
This is also i believe is a public declaration, witnessing to other believers who are present together and the Kingdom of GOD, of their conversion into the faith. And Abraham (written in the New Testament as our 'Father of faith'), in faith at that time in agreement to GOD, circumcised him and all his household males to GOD's promise (for we know, in future fulfilled through CHRIST).
Everyone, once and for all please read John 3;5, where JESUS clearly speak about baptism and water is also mentioned by HIM, also saying, "...., 'unless one is born of water' ......".
What does this mean then?
That 'water baptism' is essential to those who have become believers of the Gospel and continuing in 'practices' of them and accepting in 'agreement' to GOD of the New Covenant of Eternal Life.
Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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