Once saved, is sin ok?
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Hi Brain, well thank you 
I like you too and everyone else too haha. I'm not sure what else you were trying to explain, I'm not sure what test you are referring to. Jesus conquers all my battles, they are His anyways. The number of brothers and sisters and sons and daughters I've lost have been a tragedy, but not sure what test you might be referring to, was that a "test" for you? You can explain if you like. And actually, only Jesus proves me worthy by His Blood, I couldn't ever do that for myself. And this part I didn't understand at all, "your confusing sin with evil, and malicious intent, " a dirty heart". Did you mean to send that to me? I'm pretty sure I'm not confused about lol. I can tell you all about it if you wanted hehe, but perhaps you were replying to someone else, I've done that too, no worries
I like you too and everyone else too haha. I'm not sure what else you were trying to explain, I'm not sure what test you are referring to. Jesus conquers all my battles, they are His anyways. The number of brothers and sisters and sons and daughters I've lost have been a tragedy, but not sure what test you might be referring to, was that a "test" for you? You can explain if you like. And actually, only Jesus proves me worthy by His Blood, I couldn't ever do that for myself. And this part I didn't understand at all, "your confusing sin with evil, and malicious intent, " a dirty heart". Did you mean to send that to me? I'm pretty sure I'm not confused about lol. I can tell you all about it if you wanted hehe, but perhaps you were replying to someone else, I've done that too, no worries
Who those comments were directed to I can't be sure, but actually they belong to all of us.
The spirit is made perfect and is sealed but the mind needs to be renewed.
Romans 7:18-25
king james version(kjv)
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18[/SUP].) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
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19.)[/SUP] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
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20[/SUP].) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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21.)[/SUP] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
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22.)[/SUP] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
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23.)[/SUP] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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24.)[/SUP] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
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25.)[/SUP] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7:18-25
king james version(kjv)
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18[/SUP].) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
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19.)[/SUP] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
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20[/SUP].) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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21.)[/SUP] I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
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22.)[/SUP] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
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23.)[/SUP] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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24.)[/SUP] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
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25.)[/SUP] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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There is not such thing as once saved always saved. That saying comes right out of false churches that refuse to examine self. This is a lie from the pit of hell.
Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Bride... I'm showing you the difference between plain sin, and the evil, premeditated murder, 1st degree 2nd and so fourth, and being jealous are two different things, with two different consequences, one we're trespassing in sin, the other is deliberate evil act. I'm sorry for your loss, I hope they're souls are in heaven. These are trials, some would turn there back on God here, many have, are you saying you never sin, ever? Your completely perfect, you've never gotten angry, or mad about something that didn't go right? Have you ever ate to much ice cream in excess? This is just a statement for everyone, or I would just pm it to you.. We have to complete the task, as Jesus did, but he is, and was spotless, but completed the test in 33 years.. Do you see what I'm saying Bride
I had to decide today whether to use baloney or salami on my sandwich. I've decided it is the already sliced up baloney.
Back to the topic.
Jesus has done all He wanted to do about Satan. It happened in the times before dying on the cross. Then He even defeated Death in His resurrection from the dead. Let me propose that our part is to agree He already defeated Satan's works, and that Devil no longer has power over death and hell. Being possible, if one believes the gospel, our response ought to be like this: Soldiers stormed Normandy Beach, succeeded in penetrating the enemy, going on to win that war. Why would just one of those soldiers choose to bow to a Nazi soldier after that war?
I am more than a conqueror in Christ. A mere conqueror doesn't realize his power until seeing how the defeated army changes it's mind concerning the conqueror's occupancy. Most involved in conquering get to go right home, but some have to stay behind to keep the peace. They are the ones that had better become more than conquerors immediately. They must RULE, or become captives of a defeated army. Maybe my age helps, but since being born again while still young and filled with the mighty Holy Spirit, I have hated sin, and immediately sought to figure out why it even comes as a suggestion. I am not tuned in to Satan's broadcast. I hate rebellion against God. I will not watch movies. I hate TV series. I find most Hollywood actors and script writers are indeed tuned in to Satan's broadcasts. I trust few news sources, even so checking reports out.
Battles? When you know your side won, it comes to my mind that any of the preceding battles that were scored as losses actually contributed to the final winning battle. Losses help prepare for the next challenge. Knowing Jesus won the last one in the spiritual war makes me look at whatever is happening now can't be a curse I won't overcome. Meanwhile I will simply obey and put on the daily armor of Christ, thereby withstanding the arrows of the defeated enemy.
"Hey, soldier, where did that arrow come from?" The soldier narrowly avoiding a flaming arrow from a distant defeated rebel behind a rock replies "From that miserable defeated and disgruntled former foe up on that hill behind that rock." The commander orders the soldier "You have the equipment and training, so go now and take that rebel out." So then the soldier obeys and reconfirms who won the war.
Go and do likewise.
Back to the topic.
Jesus has done all He wanted to do about Satan. It happened in the times before dying on the cross. Then He even defeated Death in His resurrection from the dead. Let me propose that our part is to agree He already defeated Satan's works, and that Devil no longer has power over death and hell. Being possible, if one believes the gospel, our response ought to be like this: Soldiers stormed Normandy Beach, succeeded in penetrating the enemy, going on to win that war. Why would just one of those soldiers choose to bow to a Nazi soldier after that war?
I am more than a conqueror in Christ. A mere conqueror doesn't realize his power until seeing how the defeated army changes it's mind concerning the conqueror's occupancy. Most involved in conquering get to go right home, but some have to stay behind to keep the peace. They are the ones that had better become more than conquerors immediately. They must RULE, or become captives of a defeated army. Maybe my age helps, but since being born again while still young and filled with the mighty Holy Spirit, I have hated sin, and immediately sought to figure out why it even comes as a suggestion. I am not tuned in to Satan's broadcast. I hate rebellion against God. I will not watch movies. I hate TV series. I find most Hollywood actors and script writers are indeed tuned in to Satan's broadcasts. I trust few news sources, even so checking reports out.
Battles? When you know your side won, it comes to my mind that any of the preceding battles that were scored as losses actually contributed to the final winning battle. Losses help prepare for the next challenge. Knowing Jesus won the last one in the spiritual war makes me look at whatever is happening now can't be a curse I won't overcome. Meanwhile I will simply obey and put on the daily armor of Christ, thereby withstanding the arrows of the defeated enemy.
"Hey, soldier, where did that arrow come from?" The soldier narrowly avoiding a flaming arrow from a distant defeated rebel behind a rock replies "From that miserable defeated and disgruntled former foe up on that hill behind that rock." The commander orders the soldier "You have the equipment and training, so go now and take that rebel out." So then the soldier obeys and reconfirms who won the war.
Go and do likewise.
Brainfreeze my dear, you are 30 years old, I am 59. Bless your heart for attempting to explain to me your understanding of degrees of sin and the differing consequences. I'm sure you have a point here, but honestly I don't know what it is or why you are directing it at me, but it's ok really. I'm just clueless why you think I don't understand what sin is to explain it to me. And perhaps to ease your conscience, getting mad or eating too much ice cream isn't sin. Sin is quite a bit more something than that. And besides me, Paul was only the second chieftest of sinners hehe. But like Jesus and like Paul, you won't see me going around sinning, nor will you see me telling people how righteous I am. No sirree bob
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Re: Once You Realize U R a Sinner, Is Salvation OK?
There are two types of topic changes in threads. One is derailing. This is usually difficult to prevent as when people speak they naturally tend to shift topics, so most of the time it's just the natural flow of conversation. Then there is hijacking a thread. This is an abrupt topic change, where someone will attempt to take a thread over (whether purposefully or without thinking). So when you start asking new questions not really on topic and want people to switch to those questions and abandon the intention of the thread, that's hijacking. Which is frowned upon. So if you have questions you want to pose that isn't in line with the existing flow of conversation you're better off starting your own thread.
So how about it? Is anyone interested in replying to my post? Or perhaps it needs it's own thread? I'm new here, and profoundly interested in this, anyone?
Righteousness in Jesus!
Righteousness in Jesus!
Here's where the evil came from originally for me;
(Gen 6:5)
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Mat 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20
These are the things
which defile a man
(1Jn 2:16)
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
But now that Christ has Come, and has written His Law on my fleshly heart, now everything is different;
(2Co 3:3)
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
So now I am pure in heart;
(Mat 5:8)
Blessed are
the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Because;
(Mat 6:21)
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
(Gen 6:5)
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Mat 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mat 15:20
These are the things
which defile a man
(1Jn 2:16)
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
But now that Christ has Come, and has written His Law on my fleshly heart, now everything is different;
(2Co 3:3)
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
So now I am pure in heart;
(Mat 5:8)
Blessed are
the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Because;
(Mat 6:21)
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Eating to much ice cream is a sin, sister
1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
You have no pearls? Or costly array ? Or ever broided your hair?
Philippians 3:19 - Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Proverbs 23:21
For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Psalms 78:18 - And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.
Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
I don't mean to be rude here mam, but can you answer why would Jesus tell us to pray that Our father forgives us our trespasses? I'm not even really trying to get in to this with you, but you do sin, we all do, If you ate to much ice cream it's ok, you didn't know any better but now you do... And he tells us be slow to anger as well, I'm just not going to post all the verses
I agree with most of what you say, so why do all this and tell me I'm just 30 and your 60 and bless my heart, and so fourth, com'on sister, I'm speaking out of love, when I say your not perfect and neither am I .. This is why we pray daily, we will always needs Gods help.
1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
You have no pearls? Or costly array ? Or ever broided your hair?
Philippians 3:19 - Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Proverbs 23:21
For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Psalms 78:18 - And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.
Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
I don't mean to be rude here mam, but can you answer why would Jesus tell us to pray that Our father forgives us our trespasses? I'm not even really trying to get in to this with you, but you do sin, we all do, If you ate to much ice cream it's ok, you didn't know any better
but now you do... And he tells us be slow to anger as well, I'm just not going to post all the versesI agree with most of what you say, so why do all this and tell me I'm just 30 and your 60 and bless my heart, and so fourth, com'on sister, I'm speaking out of love, when I say your not perfect and neither am I .. This is why we pray daily, we will always needs Gods help.
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Eating to much ice cream is a sin, sister
1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
You have no pearls? Or costly array ? Or ever broided your hair?
Philippians 3:19 - Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Proverbs 23:21
For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Psalms 78:18 - And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.
Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
I don't mean to be rude here mam, but can you answer why would Jesus tell us to pray that Our father forgives us our trespasses? I'm not even really trying to get in to this with you, but you do sin, we all do, If you ate to much ice cream it's ok, you didn't know any better but now you do... And he tells us be slow to anger as well, I'm just not going to post all the verses
I agree with most of what you say, so why do all this and tell me I'm just 30 and your 60 and bless my heart, and so fourth, com'on sister, I'm speaking out of love, when I say your not perfect and neither am I .. This is why we pray daily, we will always needs Gods help.
1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
You have no pearls? Or costly array ? Or ever broided your hair?
Philippians 3:19 - Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Proverbs 23:21
For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Psalms 78:18 - And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.
Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
I don't mean to be rude here mam, but can you answer why would Jesus tell us to pray that Our father forgives us our trespasses? I'm not even really trying to get in to this with you, but you do sin, we all do, If you ate to much ice cream it's ok, you didn't know any better
but now you do... And he tells us be slow to anger as well, I'm just not going to post all the versesI agree with most of what you say, so why do all this and tell me I'm just 30 and your 60 and bless my heart, and so fourth, com'on sister, I'm speaking out of love, when I say your not perfect and neither am I .. This is why we pray daily, we will always needs Gods help.
No, I have no pearls or gold or costly array or braided hair and I do not drink and am not a glutton or a drunkard.
Don't you think I've prayed to my father for my sins to be forgiven? They have been.
Also, as in the next part of the Lord's prayer, He's kept me from the evil one. Did you know that part was there? Have you prayed that part? Or do you enjoy staying imperfect, a plaything for the evil one?
You are being a devil to me and I don't know why.
As you have seen from my posts I've "renounced ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright" to quote your words so why would you even think to even challenge me like this? Have you no idea how wicked an act that is, being a false accuser like this? That sure doesn't come from Godliness you should know.
Is the inquisition over? Are you through yet? Are you going to accuse me of sin? Are you going to tell me I'm not perfect? Why do you condemn me you have no idea who I am nor have I once sinned against you. I think you owe me a big apology young man.
You should be ashamed of yourself young man. Think twice about conducting yourself in this manner toward someone, especially your elders.
And whoever told you it was a sin to eat too much ice cream hasn't a clue.
Other than that, carry on!
You said eating to much or anger is no sin, it is ... And there not my words... There the words of God. If you had self control, you wouldn't anger or indulge in to much ice cream eating is all sister, have you ever stubbed your toe, and got to angry?
It's called being a glutton, I just showed you the scripture, you just let your pride show by telling me I'm 30 and your 60. We are supposed to be humble ..you just sinned ..I'm not going to go on with this mam, I will just say let's do what God tells us,
have I said the prayer? Are you being sarcastic ..hmmm mighty rude, but that's ok, why should I apologize again,? It's ok, I'm sorry I still like you and love you, have a good night sister.
It's called being a glutton, I just showed you the scripture, you just let your pride show by telling me I'm 30 and your 60. We are supposed to be humble ..you just sinned ..I'm not going to go on with this mam, I will just say let's do what God tells us,
have I said the prayer? Are you being sarcastic ..hmmm mighty rude, but that's ok, why should I apologize again,? It's ok, I'm sorry I still like you and love you, have a good night sister.
K
Well if eating too much ice cream is a sin for you young man, then you better get a grip on it I suppose hehe.
No, I have no pearls or gold or costly array or braided hair and I do not drink and am not a glutton or a drunkard.
Don't you think I've prayed to my father for my sins to be forgiven? They have been.
Also, as in the next part of the Lord's prayer, He's kept me from the evil one. Did you know that part was there? Have you prayed that part? Or do you enjoy staying imperfect, a plaything for the evil one?
You are being a devil to me and I don't know why.
As you have seen from my posts I've "renounced ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright" to quote your words so why would you even think to even challenge me like this? Have you no idea how wicked an act that is, being a false accuser like this? That sure doesn't come from Godliness you should know.
Is the inquisition over? Are you through yet? Are you going to accuse me of sin? Are you going to tell me I'm not perfect? Why do you condemn me you have no idea who I am nor have I once sinned against you. I think you owe me a big apology young man.
You should be ashamed of yourself young man. Think twice about conducting yourself in this manner toward someone, especially your elders.
And whoever told you it was a sin to eat too much ice cream hasn't a clue.
Other than that, carry on!
No, I have no pearls or gold or costly array or braided hair and I do not drink and am not a glutton or a drunkard.
Don't you think I've prayed to my father for my sins to be forgiven? They have been.
Also, as in the next part of the Lord's prayer, He's kept me from the evil one. Did you know that part was there? Have you prayed that part? Or do you enjoy staying imperfect, a plaything for the evil one?
You are being a devil to me and I don't know why.
As you have seen from my posts I've "renounced ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright" to quote your words so why would you even think to even challenge me like this? Have you no idea how wicked an act that is, being a false accuser like this? That sure doesn't come from Godliness you should know.
Is the inquisition over? Are you through yet? Are you going to accuse me of sin? Are you going to tell me I'm not perfect? Why do you condemn me you have no idea who I am nor have I once sinned against you. I think you owe me a big apology young man.
You should be ashamed of yourself young man. Think twice about conducting yourself in this manner toward someone, especially your elders.
And whoever told you it was a sin to eat too much ice cream hasn't a clue.
Other than that, carry on!
Why is God so against sin? It is not that it harms Him, it is that it harms us and like a good Father,He does'n't want us to harm ourselves and we have the tempter that is ever trying to cause us to sin and if we fall for it, we start trying to justify it hence all the denominations that we have.
What separates denominations more than anything? it is what is defined as sin. Then you have the Pentecostals who believe in speaking in tongues as the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which is true and that separates and should but, should not, as it was mostly Methodist at Azuza Street but now reject it as demonic. That is a sin, denying and attributing the Holy Spirit to Satan and the reason why they are dry and need activities to calm their church, I meant the even have yoga classes and so spiritually blind to not know that is a an Eastern religion.
Any way sin is sin and we do it because we want to, not because of deception, although we are deceived but know better and do it anyway. Thank God for the Cross as Paul would say and who shall deliver me from this body of flesh, I thank my Lord Jesus Christ, Because without the Cross I am toast and thank God for the Cross which allows the Holy Spirit to work in me producing fruit. Praise God almighty.
Yes you are being mighty presumptuous and very rude whoever you are. What is wrong with you? Seriously?
Yes, I believe God. Not you.
If I get angry, I don't sin. I know not to. Regardless of your false accusations.
(Eph 4:26)
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
See how you are wrong here? Anger is not a sin. If I get angry, I don't go and commit a sin. Stubbing my toe does not make me angry. Even if it did for some silly reason, it wouldn't be a sin. Some devil accusing me of sin might make me angry though. That would be called righteous indignation though, not sin. Shall we move on?
I haven't eaten ice cream in a long time, but if I did, I'd eat as much as I wanted and not be concerned your idea of god would think I was sinning. Try to be in touch with the Word in your talk here. Being a "glutton" is not the subject here, don't now mention it as though it was. A glutton has mighty issues with food constantly and gives no thought except to his own belly. That is a big dif from eating too much ice cream now and again. And none of it has anything to do with me, why weary me with your allegations of sin? Don't try to play games with me here and suggest that I eat too much ice cream and am therefor a glutton. That is just plain ignorance and arrogance.
Yes, I asked if you prayed the Lord's prayer, that part, "deliver us from the evil one" I wasn't being sarcastic. Because if you are a sinner, then you better start learning how to pray that part. Do you understand what I am saying? I am serious. You spend a lot of time attempting to call others a sinner... that is a warning sign you are shooting up like a flare signal that YOU SIN REGULARLY and don't ask JESUS to keep you from the evil one. We are here to help you if so. But accusing others like the Pharisees accused Jesus puts you very very close to hellfire sonny and will only stir up righteous indignation against you.
And finally, being your elder I do believe you should express some respect and listen instead of talking. You haven't a clue in things important you've demonstrated, especially now that you show yourself to be a false accuser to the elect, convicting others of sin, when you don't even know them. Good job that.