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I agree with you brother,.. proper translation is essential to fully understanding the scriptures in question and in general for both sides of the debate.
God our Father gave all of us in here our faith in Jesus Christ that we stand in today to begin with (Praise God!). This faith wasn't through our will or work but through God's mercy, love and good will towards all of us. It's easy to think one's faith is a work and of his own creation and try and build good works off that but God does the work and supplies the faith to begin with.
Moving forward here brothers, it may be of a benefit for both sides here to check out a debate on the same subject.
Is baptism necessary for salvation?
[video=youtube_share;7DpcehItob8]http://youtu.be/7DpcehItob8[/video]
God our Father gave all of us in here our faith in Jesus Christ that we stand in today to begin with (Praise God!). This faith wasn't through our will or work but through God's mercy, love and good will towards all of us. It's easy to think one's faith is a work and of his own creation and try and build good works off that but God does the work and supplies the faith to begin with.
Moving forward here brothers, it may be of a benefit for both sides here to check out a debate on the same subject.
Is baptism necessary for salvation?
[video=youtube_share;7DpcehItob8]http://youtu.be/7DpcehItob8[/video]
Good luck with trust into water immersion....
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE! <--No water needed
In the grace you are, having being saved OUT OF FAITH<---No water needed
WHOSOEVER BEVIEVETH ON HIM has EVERLASTING LIFE<--No water needed
Maybe study LIKE FIGURE as applied unto immersion as it is a PICTURE of what has taken place inwardly BY FAITH and is the PUBLIC TESTIMONY of your acceptance and belief into the finished work of CHRIST....
SO, you tell me....do you trust into the WORK of JESUS or the PICTURE of the WORK OF JESUS...one saves...one does not!
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE! <--No water needed
In the grace you are, having being saved OUT OF FAITH<---No water needed
WHOSOEVER BEVIEVETH ON HIM has EVERLASTING LIFE<--No water needed
Maybe study LIKE FIGURE as applied unto immersion as it is a PICTURE of what has taken place inwardly BY FAITH and is the PUBLIC TESTIMONY of your acceptance and belief into the finished work of CHRIST....
SO, you tell me....do you trust into the WORK of JESUS or the PICTURE of the WORK OF JESUS...one saves...one does not!
why then does vs 41 say....[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
and according to your understanding ...repent is not mentioned...so maybe they did not repent...and it does not say they were added to the church...so according to your understanding they were stuck together...
and according to your understanding ...repent is not mentioned...so maybe they did not repent...and it does not say they were added to the church...so according to your understanding they were stuck together...
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your joking right?
if they recieved the word. they repented. If not, they still would have rejected his word. because it goes against all human nature.
Nice try though.
Also nice try to decieve others, Why did you leave part out?
[SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[SUP][h][/SUP] daily those who were being saved.
if they recieved the word. they repented. If not, they still would have rejected his word. because it goes against all human nature.
Nice try though.
Also nice try to decieve others, Why did you leave part out?
[SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[SUP][h][/SUP] daily those who were being saved.
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Rom 10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[SUP][e][/SUP] (that is, the word of faith which we preach): [SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
No water..
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[SUP][e][/SUP] (that is, the word of faith which we preach): [SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
No water..
Well Jabber, perhaps he meant that the text actually says, Repent ye (plural), and be baptized everyone (singular) of you, and ye (plural) shall . . . .
Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν,] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
Μετανοήσατε = repent ye (plural), change your mind,
[φησίν,] = he says
καὶ βαπτισθήτω = and be baptized [(singular) [in the Holy Spirit]
ἕκαστος each (singular)
ὑμῶν = of you (plural)
ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
εἰς = preposition of several meanings & debated
ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν = forgiveness of the sins
ὑμῶν = of you (your)
καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
= and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Years ago I had an excellent Bible teacher who argued that the grammar (singular vs plural) ruled out connecting the singular each
with the forgiveness of your (plural) sins. But I am sure he was wrong, as "each of you" is just another way of referring to the same plural group by the individuals in it.
Nevertheless, the context is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. Spirit baptism is salvific, but not water. The preposition eis does not have to indicate that the forgiveness is the result of what precedes.
But on determining the doctrine of salvation, it should be noted that the following words do not occur here: save, salvation, Savior, or saved. And it must be noted that since there is such an abundance of scripture offering salvation for merely believing (so famous as John 3:16), nothing besides faith/belief/trust in the Savior, can be essential to salvation; or God would be guilty of false advertising. So this unusual verse is not the place from which to start on the doctrine of salvation. This verse must conform to the multitude of other passages which do not mention water immersion, yet offer salvation merely for believing. Whosoever believes, everyone who believes, anyone who believes -- language of that nature, rules out that anything other than believing can be essential for salvation.
It seems to be, BTW, that most of the persons who go on about water baptism saving, think that faith is believing that something is so (like endorsing some doctrinal statement). But saving faith is depending on the Savior, not being convinced that X is true.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
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John 3:14-18
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; 15 that
whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, . . . .
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
We simply must conform the odd rare verse to the abundant consistent teaching of scripture.
Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν,] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
Μετανοήσατε = repent ye (plural), change your mind,
[φησίν,] = he says
καὶ βαπτισθήτω = and be baptized [(singular) [in the Holy Spirit]
ἕκαστος each (singular)
ὑμῶν = of you (plural)
ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
εἰς = preposition of several meanings & debated
ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν = forgiveness of the sins
ὑμῶν = of you (your)
καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
= and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Years ago I had an excellent Bible teacher who argued that the grammar (singular vs plural) ruled out connecting the singular each
with the forgiveness of your (plural) sins. But I am sure he was wrong, as "each of you" is just another way of referring to the same plural group by the individuals in it.
Nevertheless, the context is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. Spirit baptism is salvific, but not water. The preposition eis does not have to indicate that the forgiveness is the result of what precedes.
But on determining the doctrine of salvation, it should be noted that the following words do not occur here: save, salvation, Savior, or saved. And it must be noted that since there is such an abundance of scripture offering salvation for merely believing (so famous as John 3:16), nothing besides faith/belief/trust in the Savior, can be essential to salvation; or God would be guilty of false advertising. So this unusual verse is not the place from which to start on the doctrine of salvation. This verse must conform to the multitude of other passages which do not mention water immersion, yet offer salvation merely for believing. Whosoever believes, everyone who believes, anyone who believes -- language of that nature, rules out that anything other than believing can be essential for salvation.
It seems to be, BTW, that most of the persons who go on about water baptism saving, think that faith is believing that something is so (like endorsing some doctrinal statement). But saving faith is depending on the Savior, not being convinced that X is true.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:14-18
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; 15 that
whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, . . . .
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
We simply must conform the odd rare verse to the abundant consistent teaching of scripture.
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Well Jabber, perhaps he meant that the text actually says, Repent ye (plural), and be baptized everyone (singular) of you, and ye (plural) shall . . . .
Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν,] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
Μετανοήσατε = repent ye (plural), change your mind,
[φησίν,] = he says
καὶ βαπτισθήτω = and be baptized [(singular) [in the Holy Spirit]
ἕκαστος each (singular)
ὑμῶν = of you (plural)
ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
εἰς = preposition of several meanings & debated
ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν = forgiveness of the sins
ὑμῶν = of you (your)
καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
= and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Years ago I had an excellent Bible teacher who argued that the grammar (singular vs plural) ruled out connecting the singular each with the forgiveness of your (plural) sins. But I am sure he was wrong, as "each of you" is just another way of referring to the same plural group by the individuals in it.
Nevertheless, the context is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. Spirit baptism is salvific, but not water. The preposition eis does not have to indicate that the forgiveness is the result of what precedes.
But on determining the doctrine of salvation, it should be noted that the following words do not occur here: save, salvation, Savior, or saved. And it must be noted that since there is such an abundance of scripture offering salvation for merely believing (so famous as John 3:16), nothing besides faith/belief/trust in the Savior, can be essential to salvation; or God would be guilty of false advertising. So this unusual verse is not the place from which to start on the doctrine of salvation. This verse must conform to the multitude of other passages which do not mention water immersion, yet offer salvation merely for believing. Whosoever believes, everyone who believes, anyone who believes -- language of that nature, rules out that anything other than believing can be essential for salvation.
It seems to be, BTW, that most of the persons who go on about water baptism saving, think that faith is believing that something is so (like endorsing some doctrinal statement). But saving faith is depending on the Savior, not being convinced that X is true.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
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John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
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John 3:14-18
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; 15 that
whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
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John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
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John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
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John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
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John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
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John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
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Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
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Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
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Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, . . . .
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Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
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Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
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23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
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27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
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Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
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6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
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10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
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14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
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17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
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Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
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Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
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For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
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Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν,] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
Μετανοήσατε = repent ye (plural), change your mind,
[φησίν,] = he says
καὶ βαπτισθήτω = and be baptized [(singular) [in the Holy Spirit]
ἕκαστος each (singular)
ὑμῶν = of you (plural)
ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
εἰς = preposition of several meanings & debated
ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν = forgiveness of the sins
ὑμῶν = of you (your)
καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
= and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Years ago I had an excellent Bible teacher who argued that the grammar (singular vs plural) ruled out connecting the singular each with the forgiveness of your (plural) sins. But I am sure he was wrong, as "each of you" is just another way of referring to the same plural group by the individuals in it.
Nevertheless, the context is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. Spirit baptism is salvific, but not water. The preposition eis does not have to indicate that the forgiveness is the result of what precedes.
But on determining the doctrine of salvation, it should be noted that the following words do not occur here: save, salvation, Savior, or saved. And it must be noted that since there is such an abundance of scripture offering salvation for merely believing (so famous as John 3:16), nothing besides faith/belief/trust in the Savior, can be essential to salvation; or God would be guilty of false advertising. So this unusual verse is not the place from which to start on the doctrine of salvation. This verse must conform to the multitude of other passages which do not mention water immersion, yet offer salvation merely for believing. Whosoever believes, everyone who believes, anyone who believes -- language of that nature, rules out that anything other than believing can be essential for salvation.
It seems to be, BTW, that most of the persons who go on about water baptism saving, think that faith is believing that something is so (like endorsing some doctrinal statement). But saving faith is depending on the Savior, not being convinced that X is true.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
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John 3:14-18
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; 15 that
whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
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Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, . . . .
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
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But the passages which follow show they were baptised in water. So this must be the same baptism.
You also forgot to add that Gift of the Holy Spirit is also 2nd person plural. While remission of sin is 3rd person singular.
ever ask yourself why?
Praying without ceasing is necessary, women keeping silent in church is necessary, not letting the sun go down on your anger is necessary -- many things are necessary since the Lord is the great necessitator! What He says is to be obeyed. However, salvation doesn't depend upon keeping the whole law of God, nor all the Teachings of Jesus (ye shall be perfect, etc.), nor all the admonitions in the epistles. Salvation is by grace through faith.
Necessary as obedience to our God is one thing,
Necessary to salvation is another.
Christians are in a progressive sanctification process in this life, & we stumble in many things & often.
But when the Lord says,
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved;
He is not doing false advertisement.
We need a Savior because we have sinned & do sin.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Necessary as obedience to our God is one thing,
Necessary to salvation is another.
Christians are in a progressive sanctification process in this life, & we stumble in many things & often.
But when the Lord says,
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved;
He is not doing false advertisement.
We need a Savior because we have sinned & do sin.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Look it is obvious to everyone who knows the truth that you do the following...
1. Reject scripture in context
2. Ignore the meaning of words used in context
3. Follow the teachings of heretical men
4. Fail to acknowledge truth
5. Deny the truth
6. Are not open to learning and instruction
7. Continually oppose the truth in favor of a heretical dogma
The order is
LOST-->HEAR the WORD-->BELIEVE the WORD-->Acknowledge the WORD-->GAIN ETERNAL LIFE so...like I have said...Keep trusting into your watered down blood which does not cover and pay the eternal price....
The PASSOVER is a PICTURE of SAVLATION and PRESERVATION
WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD..I WILL PASS OVER YOU<----NO WATER...Good luck with your pseudo gospel of a different kind!
1. Reject scripture in context
2. Ignore the meaning of words used in context
3. Follow the teachings of heretical men
4. Fail to acknowledge truth
5. Deny the truth
6. Are not open to learning and instruction
7. Continually oppose the truth in favor of a heretical dogma
The order is
LOST-->HEAR the WORD-->BELIEVE the WORD-->Acknowledge the WORD-->GAIN ETERNAL LIFE so...like I have said...Keep trusting into your watered down blood which does not cover and pay the eternal price....
The PASSOVER is a PICTURE of SAVLATION and PRESERVATION
WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD..I WILL PASS OVER YOU<----NO WATER...Good luck with your pseudo gospel of a different kind!
LOST-->HEAR the WORD-->BELIEVE the WORD-->Acknowledge the WORD-->GAIN ETERNAL LIFE....why am I not seeing do the word
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. You hear the word,you believe the word, you acknowledge the word ...but you don't do the word James says you are deceived .....
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. You hear the word,you believe the word, you acknowledge the word ...but you don't do the word James says you are deceived .....
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Romans 5:1,2 "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand."
Just on this verse alone we have a problem with "works" or baptism being part of our justification before God.
Acts 4:12 "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Sorry but if your "works" or baptism were part then there would be two names..not one.
Just on this verse alone we have a problem with "works" or baptism being part of our justification before God.
Acts 4:12 "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Sorry but if your "works" or baptism were part then there would be two names..not one.
is it not you who posted this....clear as day it says repent and be baptised ....and you say that it is false...
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
well of course, in your english bible.
in the greek however it does not.
it says repent (plural) and be baptised (singular) so the two nouns are not in the same context. thus it can not be repent AND be baptised. that is false.
read over post #685....you don't understand what I mean according to your understanding?.....it means you lack understanding...your response is proof...
well of course, in your english bible.
in the greek however it does not.
it says repent (plural) and be baptised (singular) so the two nouns are not in the same context. thus it can not be repent AND be baptised. that is false.