Works and Salvation
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It is obvious the devil's family vs, God's family. I throw "faith only" people out of my church. Even Jesus had to clean his house of the devil Judas. In the world , God allows the two families to grow together., but in His Church, Jesus wants us throw the devil's children out. For the fairness of delusion opps discussion, we are wise to leave the devil's crowd here in Chat rm. but the judgment day will clean them out, they will be "left behind". Love to all, Hoffco
Here is my view and its from the scriptures. James is tellign us that true saving faith will have works and without the works showing your faith you dont have true saving faith. You can read the whole passage from James 2, I will just post some verses.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone will say [to you then], You [say you] have faith, and I have [good] works. Now you show me your [alleged] faith apart from any [good] works [if you can], and I by [good] works [of obedience] will show you my faith.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Are you willing to be shown [proof], you foolish (unproductive, spiritually deficient) fellow, that faith apart from [good] works is inactive and ineffective and worthless?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see that a man is justified (pronounced righteous before God) through what he does and not alone through faith [through works of obedience as well as by what he believes].
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the human body apart from the spirit is lifeless, so faith apart from [its] works of obedience is also dead.
Yes it is by faith through grace we are saved, yet this type of faith produces good works and if it does not there is no salvation. Dead faith cannot save it's like the demons just believing and not trusting.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But someone will say [to you then], You [say you] have faith, and I have [good] works. Now you show me your [alleged] faith apart from any [good] works [if you can], and I by [good] works [of obedience] will show you my faith.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Are you willing to be shown [proof], you foolish (unproductive, spiritually deficient) fellow, that faith apart from [good] works is inactive and ineffective and worthless?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see that a man is justified (pronounced righteous before God) through what he does and not alone through faith [through works of obedience as well as by what he believes].
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the human body apart from the spirit is lifeless, so faith apart from [its] works of obedience is also dead.
Yes it is by faith through grace we are saved, yet this type of faith produces good works and if it does not there is no salvation. Dead faith cannot save it's like the demons just believing and not trusting.
How do those that hold that it is by our faith we are saved reconcile the following passages:
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.Acts 15:11
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Romans 8:24
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4
[SUP]9[/SUP]Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, [SUP]10[/SUP] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 2 Tim 1:9-10
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.Acts 15:11
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Romans 8:24
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4
[SUP]9[/SUP]Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, [SUP]10[/SUP] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 2 Tim 1:9-10
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Romans 2:11 "For there is no partiality with God." This is why God will judge all persons by their works not by faith only. Rom. 2:7" Eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; But to those who are self seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-wrath and indignation." One reason why God gives us trials is to make us worthy of our inheritance. 1Thess1:5-8 Mary and Joseph were worthy to be chosen to bare and raise the Messiah Jesus ,God's son. After all the judgments on us are over, We will be fully worthy of our home on the new earth, as equals with our elder brother Jesus the Messiah, There will be no rank on the new earth. My followers will not call me Pastor Doug or bishop/elder Doug on the new earth, just Bro, Doug and Bro Jesus and so forth. for ever more equals. Love Hoffco
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technically your right. there is no such thing as faith apart from works. (Although I know myself and many others have said this over and over, but you all seem to forget that. or ignore it!!)
where you error is, is that salvation happens the moment of faith. Works automatically follows.
You have salvation happening after works. which means a person must earn salvation, thus they can boast. and take credit for it. in other words, their faith is in their own ability to do the work, and it saving them, and not God.
Again, you people amaze me.
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Nope.
Because salvation occurs in between the faith and works.
we are saved by grace through faith not works (the moment of salvation) what happens next? We (those saved by faith) are his workmanship CREATED in CHRIST JESUS (new creatures) FOR GOOD WORKS.. they will happen.
you want to carry the cart before the horse again you people amaze me
Because salvation occurs in between the faith and works.
we are saved by grace through faith not works (the moment of salvation) what happens next? We (those saved by faith) are his workmanship CREATED in CHRIST JESUS (new creatures) FOR GOOD WORKS.. they will happen.
you want to carry the cart before the horse again you people amaze me