Christians and crimes of the Jewish State

[Bride]

I'm surprised I have to explain this to you being of jewish heritage, but the chosen-ness of the jews has nothing to do with individual election or even individual salvation. It's a national election. Israel nationally is the son (singular) of God, conceived and born out of Egypt. It's the only nation referred to as God's son—as it's the only nation created directly by God. And God will not abandon this nation, regardless of how many individuals in it abandon God.

But this does not mean that individual Israelites are saved by virtue of their nationality. Individuals are saved by coming to Christ, the promised zera'.

And dispensationalist is a theological term, much like trinity. Use of exact theological terms in scripture is never a validation of their accuracy or inaccuracy.

So you say? You sound like one of the rabbis of the cursed religion I was delivered from. Yuk. My salvation in Christ was first and foremost being delivered of THAT silly propaganda straight from the mouth of the dragon.
(Rom 3:4)
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 

[Bride]

JESUS IS ISRAEL.

Who is the First born Son of God?
(Col 1:18)
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Where did God call His First born son out of?

(Mat 2:15)
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


What is His Name?
(Exo 4:22)
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


Now, any question WHO ISRAEL IS?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

replacement theology? antisemitism? why these words?
the question was about a nation committing atrocities. i merely asked if christians believe Jesus wanted this.
i read nowhere in the New Testament orders to do such things or condone them.

if they are there, could you show me please?

I stand by my words.. why?

You focus on jews, and do not focus on the palestinians doing the same stuff (it must be ok for arabs, but not for jews)

that is hypocracy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

just another hate thread. I think it is time for this thread to die. Nothing good can come from it..

 

[Bride]

For those who don't like the question or aren't polite enough or intelligent enough to answer it, why don't you go bother somewhere else with your childish behavior and idiot comments? Hummmm?

 

[blue_ladybug]

For those who don't like the question or aren't polite enough or intelligent enough to answer it, why don't you go bother somewhere else with your childish behavior and idiot comments? Hummmm?

Because they all wanna debate who's right and who's wrong and why. It's called "i'm right and this is why, and your all wrong, and this is why." LOL. Everybody has an opinion and they all think their own is the only right one. Personally, I don't think ANY crime is "sanctioned" by God.

 

[Calminian]

So you say? You sound like one of the rabbis of the cursed religion I was delivered from. Yuk. My salvation in Christ was first and foremost being delivered of THAT silly propaganda straight from the mouth of the dragon.
(Rom 3:4)
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Too bad you don't have Paul's attitude toward your kinsmen. Sounds like you're bitter and letting pride get in the way. Paul didn't resort to petty insults, but was overcome by his love for them.

Rom. 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

That's the real christian attitude for the jewish man in Christ.

 

[Calminian]

Because they all wanna debate who's right and who's wrong and why. It's called "i'm right and this is why, and your all wrong, and this is why." LOL. Everybody has an opinion and they all think their own is the only right one.

Yeah I hate that. Everyone knows your opinion here is right and anything contrary is wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

passages please?

Kill a Palestinian “every hour,” says new Israeli Facebook page

Israelis Photographed With Popcorn and Chairs, Cheering As IDF Bombs Palestinian Targets Inside Gaza

Bombing of Gaza children gives me “orgasm”: Israelis celebrate slaughter on Facebook

Submitted by Patrick Strickland on Sun, 07/13/2014 - 23:25 Bombing of Gaza children gives me “orgasm”: Israelis celebrate slaughter on Facebook | The Electronic Intifada

Israel Government has an obligation to protect her people. After Israel and her citizens sustain 1000's of rounds of rocket fire from Hamas.
Some of the citizens rejoice watching the Israeli military finally go on the offensive to protect Israel. Seems like some very expected behavior to me. America was the same way after 9/11
Israel uses Rockets to protect their people. Hamas uses People to protect its rockets.

 

[MsSpratt]

Israel Government has an obligation to protect her people. After Israel and her citizens sustain 1000's of rounds of rocket fire from Hamas.
Some of the citizens rejoice watching the Israeli military finally go on the offensive to protect Israel. Seems like some very expected behavior to me. America was the same way after 9/11
Israel uses Rockets to protect their people. Hamas uses People to protect its rockets.

indiscriminate crimes against civilians. a first world military against people trapped in a deplorable strip of land - women; old men and children, not to mention young men who are not violent activists. are you saying the kids and women deserved it?

do you believe innocent Iraqi civilians deserve to be burned; bombed; tortured; made homeless, etc at the hands of Americans who rushed to Iraq after 911, based on a lie? DID YOU CHEER AND POST SUCH THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA?

are you actually claiming against all evidence (documented and admitted by Israelis themselves), that Israeli is not committing war crimes and genocide? that's really the only question re - this thread.

i find it disturbing the number of ppl contributing who say they love Jesus, yet with what sounds like malice and hatred toward people Jesus would have saved - have no sign whatsoever of shock (at Israeli glee) or sympathy (for innocent civilians).



Journalist David Sheen reported for Mondoweiss last week about the “terrifying tweets of pre-army Israeli teens.” After searching on Twitter using the Hebrew word for “Arabs,” Sheen found dozens upon dozens of Israeli youths “proclaiming their desire for all Arabs to die and in some cases be tortured to death.”


- “What an orgasm to see the Israeli Defense Forces bomb buildings in Gaza with children and families at the same time. Boom boom.

- “Gaza, Gaza a graveyard!”

- “Sweet settlers, next time you kidnap an Arab boy, call me and let me torture him!! Why do you get to have all the fun?”

- “Feels like Kristallnacht (a pogrom against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary forces)” - palestinian student Abu Toameh falsely accused; arrested and interrogated by IDF


Deep-seated racismThis hate speech and incitement is not limited to fringe groups and individuals.
As Electronic Intifada contributor and award-winning author Max Blumenthal demonstrates in his recent book Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel, deep-seated racism is pervasive throughout Israeli institutions and society.

Moshe Feiglin, the deputy speaker of Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, called for Israel to cut off all electricity to the Gaza Strip. “The blood of a dialysis patient in Gaza is not redder than the blood of our IDF soldiers who will, God forbid, need to enter [Gaza],” he said

And just one day before the kidnapping and murder of Muhammad Abu Khudair by Israeli youth, lawmaker Ayelet Shaked, a senior figure in the Habeyit Hayehudi (Jewish Home) political party, posted a Facebook “status” calling for genocide against “the entire Palestinian people.”

please just answer from the heart, Trailblazer - do you think this is very expected (reasonable) behavior?
are you worried it makes you sound antisemitic to condemn this?
does it?

 

[MsSpratt]

Re: Christians and crimes of the Jewish State - Christians: is this the talk and behavior of people who love and obey God? or even know Him? how can so many of you ignore or make excuses for it?
worst of all, using the Bible to justify it!


“Castrate them!” “Burn them!” “Bullet in the head!”: Facebook Israelis react to photo of Palestinian kids

An image of three Palestinian boys sparked an outpouring of violent and sadistic fantasies after it was reposted to an Israeli Facebook page

“I’d have thrown nerve gas into the tent and closed it and made them breath it until the end” - Shlomo Levi

- “Slaughter them!” - Ohad Halevy

- “Run the tent over with a truck/Merkava tank/a bus/ whatever it takes to crush and kill these children,” suggested Facebook user Lidor Swisa.

- David Kozolovski wrote, “To all those comparing Jews to Nazis, Jews did not try to kill German civilians,” thereby justifying the orgy of violent fantasies against the children.

“May you die garbage Arabs, amen!” - Shahar Daya

“Run them over and shoot them. It’s not complicated!” - Elad Sender

“Take the tent with the people in it, put it on a trailer and dump them back where they came from” - Sharon Carmi

“A hand grenade inside the tent!” - Dvir Daga

“Put a couple of bullets in their heads and we’re done” - Adi Mama

“Set them on fire” - Yosef Porotzky

As of Friday there were almost 200 comments under the post offering suggestions of what the Israeli army should do – the vast majority fantasizing extreme sadistic violence and murder.


What makes this even more than usually disturbing is many of the Israeli commentators appear to be high school students themselves – perhaps only a year or two from mandatory army service when they will be empowered to carry out their fantasies

Bombing of Gaza children gives me “orgasm”: Israelis celebrate slaughter on Facebook | The Electronic Intifada

 

[Agricola]

Of course the Palestinians are innocent arn't they? I think not!

[video=youtube;0ORAM-usqhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ[/video]

Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) program Tomorrow's Pioneers on neighbors' rights.
Phone conversation between Nahul the bee and Qais, a boy from Jenin (West Bank).

Nahul the bee, (adult in a giant bee costume): "Listen my friend. Are there Jews where you are?"
Boy (Qais): "No. Not at the moment."
Nahul: "I heard they come to you every day."
Boy: "Yes, but not now."
Nahul: "Listen, friend; do like this with your hands [makes fists], and when they come to you, punch them; make their face red like a tomato."
Boy: "Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine."
Nahul: "Allah willing." ...

[Nahul talks to TV host, young girl named Rawan]
Nahul: "My friend Qais - anyway, Rawan, I tell him to take a stone, and when the Jews come, to take it and throw it at them."
Child host (Rawan): "Of course, the Jewish neighbors."
Nahul: "To smash them."
Child host: "If his neighbors are Jews or Zionists? Yes." ...

[Child host Rawan talks to Tulin, a girl in the studio.]
Child host Rawan: "Tulin, why do you want to be a police officer? Like who?"
Girl Tulin: "Like my uncle."
Child host: "Which uncle?"
Girl: "Ahmed."
Child host: "Is he a policeman?"
[Girl nods]
Child host: "OK, so what does a policeman do?"
Nahul (adult in giant bee costume): "He catches thieves, and people who make trouble."
Child host: "And shoots Jews. Right?"
Girl: "Yes."
Child host: "You want to be like him?"
[Girl nods]
Child host: "Allah willing, when you grow up."
Girl: "So that I can shoot Jews."
[Nahul the bee cheers]
Child host: "All of them? All of them?"
Girl: "Yes."
Child host: "Good."

 

[ChristIsGod]

I've prayed since this thread was posted earlier today whether to enter in on this discussion or not. I feel I'm supposed to - so forgive what I'm about to say if it raises any concerns of whether this reply belongs on a different forum.

"The News" is controlled by 100% Globalists. How do I know this -- because for some reason known only to God - He led me away from TV and anything secular for at least 3 decades and then actual white copies of Globalist material fell into my hands.
As early as 1973, before I was saved, I was in the Military and our Boot Camp class teacher gave us a copy of how to subvert a nation from the horse's mouths. But after I came to Christ, He seemed to pull me away from it all and to the writings of people that are involved a plan/goal ... political heads, big corporate leaders, masonic heads, other 'religious' heads, large globalist Orgs, etc etc started to show up without my looking for it, at all.

To just nutshell what I feel to say - everything that we see and read is to bring about their ultimate goal of a one world 'governance' and the best way they feel to go about that, since at the least, the 1800's - to cause a 3rd world war by pitting the Christians, Jews & Muslims against each other and also as Jesus said, "nation against nation" but in the Greek the word for "nation" is ethnos - the black, white, hispanics, etc ethnic problems world-wide to be escalated through this globalist owned propaganda instrument that we call The News and infiltrators within each ethnic group in order to raise the tensions.

Now here's the hardest part to say - "Bibi" is a full fledged Globalist. Look it up on any site that has his back-ground in the U.S.. He's for the two state solution as well and is well-groomed and informed in what was called very long ago, 'The Plan'.
The plan is what Russia, Iran, America, Israel, England, Germany, China and so forth are all working toward together - and all for their own self-centered, selfish reasons. Some agitators, protesters, militants, terrorists are being egged on by those infiltrators for the plan as well.

Every big leader of every country has to be a Globalist or pliable enough to go-along-to-get-along to stay in power and if they don't cooperate, they're ousted anyway possible, killed or maligned somehow.

Of the majority of countries, there are none exempt from this and none of them are perfect leaders, even it they're not willing to give up their nationalism or patriotism or national sovereignty/non-globalists. And all that is happening world wide is being orchestrated by some powers that be.

That's very nutshelled but it's about all I feel comfortable talking about.

Israel will not be led by any human in the right direction until The King of Israel's feet touches the Mount of Olives -- nor will the world.

 

[Agricola]

Yes we are seeing the foundations of the world and political changes and events which have to happen before CHrist can return.

 

[kaylagrl]

For those who don't like the question or aren't polite enough or intelligent enough to answer it, why don't you go bother somewhere else with your childish behavior and idiot comments? Hummmm?

Bride the OP has been nasty to everyone who answers her that she doesn't agree with.People have been quite polite considering her attitude.Now you back her up with nasty comments of your own.Let people answer the question however they like,the same as you do.Free country last time I checked.

 

[MsSpratt]

Of course the Palestinians are innocent arn't they? I think not!

[video=youtube;0ORAM-usqhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ[/video]

Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) program Tomorrow's Pioneers on neighbors' rights.
Phone conversation between Nahul the bee and Qais, a boy from Jenin (West Bank).

Nahul the bee, (adult in a giant bee costume): "Listen my friend. Are there Jews where you are?"
Boy (Qais): "No. Not at the moment."
Nahul: "I heard they come to you every day."
Boy: "Yes, but not now."
Nahul: "Listen, friend; do like this with your hands [makes fists], and when they come to you, punch them; make their face red like a tomato."
Boy: "Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine."
Nahul: "Allah willing." ...

[Nahul talks to TV host, young girl named Rawan]
Nahul: "My friend Qais - anyway, Rawan, I tell him to take a stone, and when the Jews come, to take it and throw it at them."
Child host (Rawan): "Of course, the Jewish neighbors."
Nahul: "To smash them."
Child host: "If his neighbors are Jews or Zionists? Yes." ...

[Child host Rawan talks to Tulin, a girl in the studio.]
Child host Rawan: "Tulin, why do you want to be a police officer? Like who?"
Girl Tulin: "Like my uncle."
Child host: "Which uncle?"
Girl: "Ahmed."
Child host: "Is he a policeman?"
[Girl nods]
Child host: "OK, so what does a policeman do?"
Nahul (adult in giant bee costume): "He catches thieves, and people who make trouble."
Child host: "And shoots Jews. Right?"
Girl: "Yes."
Child host: "You want to be like him?"
[Girl nods]
Child host: "Allah willing, when you grow up."
Girl: "So that I can shoot Jews."
[Nahul the bee cheers]
Child host: "All of them? All of them?"
Girl: "Yes."
Child host: "Good."

so you have an hamas sponsored propaganda program and that is disgraceful.
do you really believe that those little girls are BORN hating (just as jews are not born hating)?
it is taught.

the very same thing goes on in america and all countries - taught to hate the "enemies" the ruling classes and politicians hate.
i've been looking at some very old photos of Palestine around the 1900s. arabs and jews side by side; working; sharing meals.
something happened to change that.

but once again, PLEASE. this thread is about Christians and Israeli crimes (not about terrorism - crimes against innocent people trying to live their lives).
please stay on topic or start another thread.

 

[MsSpratt]

Bride the OP has been nasty to everyone who answers her that she doesn't agree with.People have been quite polite considering her attitude.Now you back her up with nasty comments of your own.Let people answer the question however they like,the same as you do.Free country last time I checked.

wel, of course i'll disagree about your assessment of me.
but i will ask again. the discussion is about Israeli crimes against humanity; apartheid; collective punishment; theft of land and property; discrimination; murder and the enjoyment of it.

i am wondering how the individual christian feels in his/her heart about what has been posted (outside sources) so far).

 

[MsSpratt]

I stand by my words.. why?

You focus on jews, and do not focus on the palestinians doing the same stuff (it must be ok for arabs, but not for jews)

that is hypocracy.

but....you can start a thread on your issue.
this is not about resolving land disputes or a peace process or any palestinian atrocities (of which there are documented cases).

and how dare you call this a hate thread when the whole world is asking the same question i am - including certain christian denominations. please - if you do not like this thread, do not post. please.

thank you.

 

[MsSpratt]

I've prayed since this thread was posted earlier today whether to enter in on this discussion or not. I feel I'm supposed to - so forgive what I'm about to say if it raises any concerns of whether this reply belongs on a different forum.

"The News" is controlled by 100% Globalists. How do I know this -- because for some reason known only to God - He led me away from TV and anything secular for at least 3 decades and then actual white copies of Globalist material fell into my hands.
As early as 1973, before I was saved, I was in the Military and our Boot Camp class teacher gave us a copy of how to subvert a nation from the horse's mouths. But after I came to Christ, He seemed to pull me away from it all and to the writings of people that are involved a plan/goal ... political heads, big corporate leaders, masonic heads, other 'religious' heads, large globalist Orgs, etc etc started to show up without my looking for it, at all.

To just nutshell what I feel to say - everything that we see and read is to bring about their ultimate goal of a one world 'governance' and the best way they feel to go about that, since at the least, the 1800's - to cause a 3rd world war by pitting the Christians, Jews & Muslims against each other and also as Jesus said, "nation against nation" but in the Greek the word for "nation" is ethnos - the black, white, hispanics, etc ethnic problems world-wide to be escalated through this globalist owned propaganda instrument that we call The News and infiltrators within each ethnic group in order to raise the tensions.

Now here's the hardest part to say - "Bibi" is a full fledged Globalist. Look it up on any site that has his back-ground in the U.S.. He's for the two state solution as well and is well-groomed and informed in what was called very long ago, 'The Plan'.
The plan is what Russia, Iran, America, Israel, England, Germany, China and so forth are all working toward together - and all for their own self-centered, selfish reasons. Some agitators, protesters, militants, terrorists are being egged on by those infiltrators for the plan as well.

Every big leader of every country has to be a Globalist or pliable enough to go-along-to-get-along to stay in power and if they don't cooperate, they're ousted anyway possible, killed or maligned somehow.

Of the majority of countries, there are none exempt from this and none of them are perfect leaders, even it they're not willing to give up their nationalism or patriotism or national sovereignty/non-globalists. And all that is happening world wide is being orchestrated by some powers that be.

That's very nutshelled but it's about all I feel comfortable talking about.

Israel will not be led by any human in the right direction until The King of Israel's feet touches the Mount of Olives -- nor will the world.

thank you for a thoughtful post.
i will agree with almost all of it.

 

[Agricola]

YOu do realise that Hamas is the party which the Palestinians voted to rule Gaza, don't you?