Christians and crimes of the Jewish State

[oldthennew]

opinions are what makes the world go round, and reading them can be very
enlightening, also giving insight to how others feel, which creates a bond,
so to speak, a kinship if you will, even if you are not particularly in agreement.
it's kind of like taking a cruise together.

personally, we have found that if we find ourselves communicating about
what we perceive is an unresolvable subject, we have to be very careful,
if we claim to be Christian, that we be not be ensnared in contention and strife,
and returning railing for railing, for if we do these things, we become the
servants of sin, which, as we have been taught, we want to avoid this at all costs.

it's a common wisdom, but we must apply it with grace, (agree to disagree)
and move-on to a subject that will be profitable in the eyes of our Saviour:

we must remember, 'For whom I am over-come by, to them I become servant).'

many, many times, just acknowledging our Love for others is the best we can
do in a situation, and personally, I think of this as a miracle.

 

[MsSpratt]

We should not forget who the real enemy is which is Satan and his evil and there are horrible crimes against humanity going on all over the world in each country and sometimes in each household as this evil war still rages. We can only with God's help control the war that rages in our own hearts and submit to God's will and then in turn try and reach our neighbor with the good news of the gospel and spread the word that Jesus is soon to return so that ourselves and our neighbors have a fighting chance to be a part of the winning side of this evil war.

How many of us have shared the gospel today instead of fighting about crimes someone else has committed? What about the crimes/sins we individually have committed? Just wondering as I am trying to look at the BIGGER PICTURE and not focus on one area of an issue.

that's fine.
i'm concerned about evangelicals and others who through false interpretation of scripture give Israel the state a pass on everything. i just wonder how a christian heart can dismiss the things that have happened and are happening in this latest round of war crimes; theft; torture; lawlessness.

 

[Agricola]

I assume you are talking about the war crimes of Hamas?

 

[tourist]

Here honey have some popcorn.......

I guess that the show is about to start. Thank you sweetie...

 

[kaylagrl]

I briefly browsed this thread and I admit I'm not totally caught up on the politics and going ons of the middle east but I am kind of confused on why Israel is considered such a sacred cow by Christians today. As far as I'm aware many Jews in Israel don't even believe in a God at all anymore. If they've abandoned God, how can their actions be guided by God or doing God's will? If they are in the wrong, what is so wrong with calling them out on it? Not to say I think the Palestinians are any better or a victim... just that well... Jews are seen as some kind of saintly holy people and I don't really know why.

I understand Jews were the chosen people back in the bible... and I guess they still may be but I really don't see why they would be. It doesn't make much sense to me. The Jews were the chosen ones because that was the line of people from which David, and ultimately, Jesus would descend from. Now that Jesus has come and delivered all of us, why are the Jews any more chosen than any Christians? Is there places in the bible where it states stuff about this after Jesus died and rose again? Cause I don't remember it to be honest.

If Jews still are God's chosen... well they haven't exactly embraced Christ (and if you do you are no longer considered a Jew by the Jewish people) and God has a habit of letting the Jews wander blind in their folly when they turn from God. So if they are still chosen people... he'll raise them up sooner or later. In the mean time, why are we called to be their protectors regardless of what they do? If they do wrong, which isn't a stretch seeing as they aren't walking with God anyway, is it anti-sematic to call them out for doing wrong?

I honestly don't see why they'd be a chosen people anymore anyway. What more do they have to be delivered from? Jesus already delivered them and anyone else. If they have turned their nose up to the truth, how can they be God's people today? Even practicing Jews don't do rituals and sacrifices as instructed in the OT. I know they claim it's because the temple is not there but that makes no sense. People in the bible just built altars where ever they were, they didn't need a temple. The Jews of today are hardly the Jews of the bible from what I can tell. And I can't think of anything biblical post Jesus that elevates Jews above anyone else as a chosen people.

I think God may still have plans for them but maybe they need to screw up bad enough before they realize the truth. No need for us to get in the way of that. I've heard people IRL say that if we turn against Israel, then God will turn against us. First, i'm not turning against anyone... I just think Jews are like anyone else and while God may still have a plan for them, that's in his hands. Second... why are Christians concerned about God's wrath being poured out? If he turns against the US, GOOD. Whip this country back into shape. Whip Israel back into shape too. I know regardless of whatever happens, I am in God's hands. If the US falls tomorrow, in the end, it doesn't matter. I am God's and there is nothing that can happen that will change that. Come good or bad, I know I am his. So why are Christians so concerned about Jews and what they are doing and the need to defend them to the degree that if you don't agree with them, your salvation is questioned? In the bible Jesus didn't say nothing about believing Jews to be chosen people as a need for salvation. I think standing next to your brothers and sisters in Christ as evidence of salvation and that's what Christians are. Jews reject Jesus and are not Christians so I don't see why they are elevated or why I should stand with them regardless of what they do or raise them up as some "sacred cow"?

Honestly, why is a Jew held in any higher regard than a muslim? Both reject Jesus as the savior. That right there says neither will enter the kingdom of heaven. Why should I stand by either?

Why should you stand by either? Because the Bible says curse them and be cursed,bless them and be blessed.God has always considered the Jews his chosen people.These folk can rant all they want and call me what they will but they mock Israel at their own peril.Israel is NOT a terrorist country!! And I cant believe any true Christian would stand by and let that be said.There is no difference between the Jews and the Muslims? You had best look into that my friend.Read the Quaran and see what they believe compared to what the Jews believe.Big difference!! Jews are Gods chosen and always will be.

 

[kaylagrl]

I used to watch a show where they were always talking about how Canadians were always so polite to people....Maybe you missed that show. I think it was called Due South.

I loved that show!!! lol Paul Gross was the actor that played the Mountie.Canadians are mostly polite.Please dont lump us all together.The OP and her pal,which may be the same person,have been rude from the get go.Still hoping a moderator will step in and stop this post.Calling Israel terrorists is beyond it for me. This is how the holocaust happened...

 

[john832]

You need to read the post she wrote to me!! I sure didn't feel any love in it I tell ya.

The is nothing that Splatt or Blind can say to me to upset me. I have been worked over by professionals. I find this passage of great comfort...

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

 

[Agricola]

Another point is that most of the "children killed" stories are just that, Pallywood is brilliant at producing convincing film and propaganda to fool the world, for example that dozens of children died when a school courtyard was bombed, when in fact it was a tiny missile designed to kill a single target in a populated area which landed just outside, Pallywood launched into action, with number of children and adults acting as if they were dead.

Numerous pictures of dead children being circulated as IDF victims turn out to be dead children in Syria and even stills from horror films.

Casulties in war are inevitable, Hamas helped with those casualties by hiding in populated areas, Hamas do not wear uniforms when fighting, a dead Hamas fighter is then easily classed as a civilian casualty. Teenage boys are fighters in Hamas, so a 15 to 16 year old combatant is then classed as a child, but of course they consider them men when they are encouraged to pick up a gun!

 

[kaylagrl]

I assume you are talking about the war crimes of Hamas?

No sorry.So far we have learned both Israel and America are the terrorists.Getting more interesting with every post.

 

[john832]

Yes Israelites are terrorists. Yes America is terrorists. Have you ever watched the news? We all know these things doh!
But here is where you really amaze woman, You actually think that natural wicked hateful aetheist Jews ARE the Children of God? And you call me a heretic because I don't agree with you?
SERIOUSLY?
This has really got to be embarrassing for you in public, but here is God's correction to you once again;


(Rom 9:8)
That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.

See how easy it is to know truth?
So, do I believe you have any basis for your hysterical rantings against Jesus and His Wife? No, of course not. You just seem to hate that message. How strange indeed.

What was it Merle Haggard sang?

"when your runnin' down this country hoss, your walkin' on the fightin' side of me"

 

[kaylagrl]

The is nothing that Splatt or Blind can say to me to upset me. I have been worked over by professionals. I find this passage of great comfort...

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Thank you for that john.Even though we have disagreed on some things you have always been a gentleman and true Christian.Thanks for that also. Have a blessed day.

 

[john832]

MsSprat is absolutely free of any mistakes in this thread. I met her here, and she has wisdom and understanding.

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[kaylagrl]

What was it Merle Haggard sang?

"when your runnin' down this country hoss, your walkin' on the fightin' side of me"

Yes sir!! And I'm Canadian by birth! Totally agree with you and Merle. lol

 

[john832]

Thank you for that john.Even though we have disagreed on some things you have always been a gentleman and true Christian.Thanks for that also. Have a blessed day.

We learn from each other and I thank you for your insights also.

 

[oyster67]

Palestinians have vowed to push Israel into the sea.They war among themselves but want to unite them? Put a call out to kill the Jews.They'll all come running and forget they were slitting each others throats a minute ago.The Jews are Gods chosen,no they aren't always right,we wont be perfect till we get to heaven.God has punished his people throughout history.That being said I agree with john,sounds antisemitic in here. Be careful when you tread.Thanks to the Jews we Gentiles have salvation and we are grafted in.Those who bless them will be blessed those who curse them will be cursed.

I'm sure you mean well, but some might feel patronized by the tone. Post 261 sort of hints that it might be OK for a cube to have six sides. You have stated one side well. Another might be:

We are to thank Jesus and Jesus alone for our salvation. We obtained Salvation through the Jews because of their error. This is not a credit to them, it is quite the opposite. They are the losers, we are the finders. Should we be thankful that they rejected Jesus and are bound for hell? God forbid. We should rather pray for Israel, that she might seek repentance and salvation along the same lines we have.

 

[prodigal]

this subject goes round and round, some dont feel that you can be anti-zionist without being ant-semetic. which is rather convenient for the political zionists. To some Israel can do no wrong and is awaiting promises made by their god. to others jesus was the seed and the one the promises were made about. so what is the fulfilment of the prophets and the law. Was it Jesus or is it Israel. as for me i'll stick to galations 3 esp v 16.

and as for
gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." are we talking about a race of people as in seeds or are we talking about Jesus, again i refer you to gal 3:16 & 29.

1 kings 11:11 is useful

let us pray for peace and for our enemies as Jesus suggested

 

[eternally-gratefull]

wow I thought this thread would have died by now. I guess people like to support hate groups (like these two women)

 

[kaylagrl]

I'm sure you mean well, but some might feel patronized by the tone. Post 261 sort of hints that it might be OK for a cube to have six sides. You have stated one side well. Another might be:

We are to thank Jesus and Jesus alone for our salvation. We obtained Salvation through the Jews because of their error. This is not a credit to them, it is quite the opposite. They are the losers, we are the finders. Should we be thankful that they rejected Jesus and are bound for hell? God forbid. We should rather pray for Israel, that she might seek repentance and salvation along the same lines we have.

I may have to start another post to clarify what I am saying.I believe the Jews will come to a knowledge in Christ when they realize the antiChrist is the false Messiah.So I was not glorying in the fact that we win and they are hell bound.I do not believe that.As far as people feeling patronized I think you had better admonish the other side also my friend for their nasty comments to me and to other posters who have complained of this.But thanks for your input.Have a blessed day.

 

[kaylagrl]

wow I thought this thread would have died by now. I guess people like to support hate groups (like these two women)

I hope I am not in that category ...I sure dont support hate groups.

 

[john832]

this subject goes round and round, some dont feel that you can be anti-zionist without being ant-semetic. which is rather convenient for the political zionists. To some Israel can do no wrong and is awaiting promises made by their god. to others jesus was the seed and the one the promises were made about. so what is the fulfilment of the prophets and the law. Was it Jesus or is it Israel. as for me i'll stick to galations 3 esp v 16.

and as for
gen 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." are we talking about a race of people as in seeds or are we talking about Jesus, again i refer you to gal 3:16 & 29.

1 kings 11:11 is useful

let us pray for peace and for our enemies as Jesus suggested

Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.