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I dont know the answer to this, in my life I was raised that a sin is a sin is a sin. God does not discriminate as to which is the worse sin, maybe people do I dont know. Its not like there is a sin point system in God's eyes. If that were true then would murders be #1? Because there are murderer's who have been saved. What about child sex abusers, are they number 1? Because they have to be scum of the earth, yet in the Bible all sins are equal. Maybe its the Christian label that is giving you a problem. All I can tell you is that premarital sex is a sin, no matter who commits it. And homosexuality is a sin, no matter who commits it. I dont know why there would be a distinction.
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Gay people have premarital sex plus do things with their bodies which are unnatural. So it's like two sins in one.
I don't personally consider them to still be christians as long as they live like that. But unfortunately many christians don't understand what it means to be saved or follow Christ, and think a person still goes to heaven despite living in sin.
I don't personally consider them to still be christians as long as they live like that. But unfortunately many christians don't understand what it means to be saved or follow Christ, and think a person still goes to heaven despite living in sin.
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Homosexual unions are a perversion and go against man's very nature. Pre-marital heterosexual unions, while still wrong, are not a violation of the natural order.
I suspect this is rather a matter for Natural Law proponents, which I regret to say is a field of theology that I'm not as well versed in as I might be. Asking St Thomas Aquinas might be your best bet, but if he's not available maybe try Suaso or some other of our Catholic members.
I suspect this is rather a matter for Natural Law proponents, which I regret to say is a field of theology that I'm not as well versed in as I might be. Asking St Thomas Aquinas might be your best bet, but if he's not available maybe try Suaso or some other of our Catholic members.
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Gays have become a popular Other. We are clearly on the other side of the fence, so if you are not standing with us it follows that you're on the correct side. Granted, we're not as visible as black people, Jewish folks, Nazis, or other groups which have been used to reinforce group identity, but we're visible enough, especially recently.
By focusing on someone so clearly lost as the homosexual, the pious church lady's gossip, the teenager's premarital sex, the deacon's tendency to casual wrath - honestly, who cares? If you blur the line in the sand and begin to consider heterosexual sexual immorality, you might have to consider all sorts of other sins; the line loses its utility. The game is no longer fun to play and a holy God's eye passes back to the person for whom not being homosexual is no longer sufficient protection.
Of course, when called on things like heterosexual immorality or lying, the average Christian will focus on it for long enough to pass the necessary judgment. Time will pass, however, and their attention will move back to the game.
By focusing on someone so clearly lost as the homosexual, the pious church lady's gossip, the teenager's premarital sex, the deacon's tendency to casual wrath - honestly, who cares? If you blur the line in the sand and begin to consider heterosexual sexual immorality, you might have to consider all sorts of other sins; the line loses its utility. The game is no longer fun to play and a holy God's eye passes back to the person for whom not being homosexual is no longer sufficient protection.
Of course, when called on things like heterosexual immorality or lying, the average Christian will focus on it for long enough to pass the necessary judgment. Time will pass, however, and their attention will move back to the game.
Well the bible says the efeminate and fornicators will not inherite the Kingdom of God. So you can argue all day which is worse, but the end result of both is hell.
Now as far as one sin not being worse than another and that God does not rate sin, then why does He compare certain sins in 1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft stubborness is as the iniquity of idolatry.
It sound to me like God rates sin.
Now as far as one sin not being worse than another and that God does not rate sin, then why does He compare certain sins in 1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft stubborness is as the iniquity of idolatry.
It sound to me like God rates sin.
If you can give me Biblical proof that one sin is just as bad as the other than I will believe you.
So if I said a choice word I the same as cheated with another man's wife.
Look how much more seveare the punishment of David was when he committed adultry than when Sara laughed that God would give her a son.
Just something to think about
So if I said a choice word I the same as cheated with another man's wife.
Look how much more seveare the punishment of David was when he committed adultry than when Sara laughed that God would give her a son.
Just something to think about
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There are really two questions that are being asked: First, outside of salvation, is the homosexual a worse sinner? Second, does homosexual sex have a more detrimental effect on the believer than other sins? To the first question I must say no. Sin has separated man from God and no behavior brings sinful man closer or further away from God. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." On the second, I believe that some sins have a more detrimental effect than others. There are many factors in this: The Word of God identifying some things that seem more abominable to him than others, the addictive nature of most sexual sins, and the documentable (but careful ignored) information that indicates that the homosexual lifestyle is psychologically unhealthy. Can a practicing homosexual be saved? I'll leave that to God. All that I have seen indicates it would be difficult.
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Ok, I still say wait for someone more experienced then me at this to get the absolute right answer, but here is some things from the KJV of the Bible
James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
This part is from BibleGateway.com
A sin is a sin is a sin. Isaiah wrote that our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2). Paul explains in Romans 6:1-9 that in order to be cleansed from our sins, we must be "buried with [Christ] through baptism" (Rom. 6:4).
While your waiting on God to decide wether or not a practicing homosexual can be saved, I will tell you He has all ready decieded. The Bible says the effeminate shall not inherite the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9
God can take the worst sinner and set him on solid ground but the Bible says that flesh and blood can not enter the Kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 15:50
The Bible says that if we through the Spirit put to death the deeds of our body we shall live. Romans 8:13
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commmitteth fornication sinnneth against his own body. 1 Corinthians 4:2
It almost sounds to me that sexual sins are the worst.
Ya I understand that every sin needs to be repented of, its just that I believe there are worst punishment for certain sins.
Jesus said that all sins would be forgiven man exect he blaspheme the Holy Spirit. So blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the greatest sin of all. There are a lot of people who feel like they have committed this sin but I don't think they would even be worried about it if they did because I belive they would be so hard hearted.
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Well, it is interesting to have rabid opposition from someone that I basically agree with. If you believe you can absolutely determine the state of any person's soul, more power to you. But, my opinion regarding their spiritual state (and, for that matter, yours) matters little. All will stand before God and His judgement is more just and more gracious than ours.
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