Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[Bride]

I heard somebody somewhere else say the Jews were chosen because the O.T. promises to Israel weren't fulfilled yet.
I showed them this;
(Jos 21:45)

There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

THEN he told me that his understanding was that they were 'chosen' by a geneology birthright.
So I showed him this;




(1Ch 5:1)
Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.


Then he said, "well isn't Israel the Seed of Abraham?" And I said yes of course, and showed him this;




(Gal 3:16)
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The ONLY Seed of Abraham is Jesus.

And then he became baptized and washed away his sins and from thenceforth as far as I know preaches the same pure Gospel of repentance and forgiveness and the Coming of Jesus into us His Bride making us One... It is all so Beautiful, thank you for letting me share

 

[kennethcadwell]

In looking at the OP again, I had to just ask, does anyone personally know a Jew who curses the Name of Jesus, who hasn't received Christ in their flesh, and hates those who loves Jesus (most who live in modern day Israel)... and if you do know someone like that, would you say he is scripturally "chosen" somehow?

I don't know of any Jews that curse the name of Jesus, but I do know and have seen some Christians who have gone over to Israel and tried to preach His name, and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior that have been chased off and told to stop preaching blasphemy by Jews over there.

 

[crossnote]

If fleshly Israel is still God's chosen people, how then did this elect, chosen people become lost, Rom 10:1 cast away Rom 11:15-25? Why was just a remnant of fleshly Israel saved, Rom 9:27; Rom 11:5?

Romans 11:19-20, 25
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[Bride]

Not all Israel, there is a remnant.

Yes of course, that is us! We who have been gathered into His Holy City Jerusalem We are all Israel, the Remnant gathered as promised, now fulfilled in usward who believe;

(Rom 9:24)
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
(Rom 9:25)
As he saith also in Hosea, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
(Rom 9:26)
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
(Rom 9:27)

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:




(Rom 11:5)
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

CHRISTIANS! Oh it is so crystal clear, I just Love the Holy Writ!
The prophecies to Israel fulfilled! Thank you Jesus!

 

[Bride]

Romans 11:19-20, 25
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Exactly The fullness of Israel "Comes in" when they accept Christ. The people out of the Nations/Gentiles who have been receiving this Gospel of salvation have their "eyes opened". It's been going on 2000 years now. Folks who see the Glorious Gospel to Israel shining in the face of Christ the Messiah, are No longer ignorant of the OT mystery of salvation to the remnant of Israel, but Now Fulfilled in US who are grafted in, regardless of race creed or sex.

Very good understanding. Thank you for those scriptures, they really say it plain

 

[john832]

If fleshly Israel is still God's chosen people, how then did this elect, chosen people become lost, Rom 10:1 cast away Rom 11:15-25? Why was just a remnant of fleshly Israel saved, Rom 9:27; Rom 11:5?

All one has to do is continue reading...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Notice this is future? Sound anything like the following?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

This can be read correctly two different ways. The gifts and calling of God are without turning back...

Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

but the second way is that once God calls a person, He will not remove the calling...

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

(Please no discussion on eternal security here, that is not the topic)

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

The Gentiles have obtained mercy currently.

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Whom has God concluded in unbelief that He might have mercy upon them?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[crossnote]

From the time of Christ until today (about 2,000 years), what will happen to all those who claim to be Jews yet rejected Christ, who lived and died within this 2000 year time period?

They perish in unbelief. Still it does not void the promises given to Abraham (e.g. land), and his descendants. The church is not given land promises, Israel has them. After the rapture, God will resume His direct dealings with national Israel.

 

[SeaBass]

wrong for so many reasons.

1. God promise to abraham was to be a blessing to all nations (would incude Gentiles)
2. Gods covenant with isreal could include a gentile if they went through certain things.
3. The physical promise only was given to Isreal. and had absolutely nothing to do with eternal salvation, if it did, all jews would be saved, just because of who they were.

the problem is, people want to take the spiritual promise, and make it equal with the physical promise, which was not only never intended, but never mentioned.

1) Yes, God's promise to Abraham was to all nations (Gen 22:18) not just the fleshly Jews and that promise was realized through Christ, His gospel and Christianity. ANYONE regardless of nationality can become a Christian, a child of God, a chosen one.

2) one could become a proselyte Jew.

3) God chose Israel to being the Messiah into the world. Being a Jew had an advantage for "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God." Rom 3:1,2. And if they obeyed and keep those oracles/covenant ...." if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people" So if fleshly Israel had obeyed the OT law they would have been saved but they chose not to obey, broken off because of their faithlessness, Rom 11:20.

 

[crossnote]

Gentiles have not replace the Jews by any standards.
However gentiles and Jews alike since Jesus Christ came all fall under the same covenant which means just like us gentiles the Jews must accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior to have salvation.
They are not saved regardless of if they believe or not. The scriptures make it clear that they to must accept Jesus Christ just like us gentile believers.

Abrahamic and New Covenant though similar are not equal...e.g. no promises of land in the New Covenant.

 

[Bride]

I don't know of any Jews that curse the name of Jesus, but I do know and have seen some Christians who have gone over to Israel and tried to preach His name, and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior that have been chased off and told to stop preaching blasphemy by Jews over there.

Oh yeah, I could tell you horror stories.
A wonderful brother from Ohio traveled here a lot to preach Jesus. He's with the Lord now, But the last time, because of the intense hatred of anything to do with Jesus, they threw him in a cell. He was about 78, diabetic, they kept his insulin from him and it was a miracle he didn't die before getting released, but he was comatose. It is fair game against both Muslims and Christians in this City. If you aren't a Jew, you are Goyim. Cattle. To be used to their convenience. If you ever read the Babylonian Talmud and knew what was up with the rabbis, you'd vomit.
But I rejoice continually being delivered from this Jerusalem beneath, in bondage with her children. Now Living forever as of the New Jerusalem, the Heavenly Mount Zion.
Oh I sure hope that talking enough about these things inspires more folks. Thank thank you so much everyone for letters of encouragement there are so many beautiful people here.

 

[crossnote]

Okay, thank you for sharing your pure opinion!

Here's first and foremost what I believe;

(Rom 3:4)

...yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Here is WHO I say are God's Chosen people;





(Joh 15:16)
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, andthatyour fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.






(Joh 15:19)
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


(Eph 1:4)
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


(Jas 2:5)
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

(1Pe 2:9)
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Rev 17:14)
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


WOOHOO!

Now THAT is being "CHOSEN" hehe! And Kalagirl, that means YOU YOU are Chosen. But I suppose you could give that away to some divorced widowed antichrist terrorist Jews if you like. You can do what you want.

But I sure won't

(Gal 6:14)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
(Gal 6:15)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
(Gal 6:16)
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Learn the difference between the Church and Israel. ..you know, that 'satanic' dispensationalism as you call it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mosaic covenant-conditional- broken
Abrahamic Covenant - unconditional- everlasting
The promises to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob still stand and are received by faith.

people do not get this.

They want to equate the mosaic with the abrahamic. like they want to equate the church and replace Isreal.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ex 19:5 is conditional...if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant....
The Jews did not obey and keep the covenant.

thats the moasic covenant, NOT the abrahamic Two different covenants..

 

[kaylagrl]

Gentiles have not replace the Jews by any standards.
However gentiles and Jews alike since Jesus Christ came all fall under the same covenant which means just like us gentiles the Jews must accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior to have salvation.
They are not saved regardless of if they believe or not. The scriptures make it clear that they to must accept Jesus Christ just like us gentile believers.

Yes I believe the same,I possibly didnt make that clear,but I believe many, if not all,will come to him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not all Israel, there is a remnant.

I have heard my church has quite a few jews, who are saved and doing great works for Christ, There and our messiah.

 

[SeaBass]

better yet.

Why did God call Israel HATED because of the Gospel. But BELOVED because of the promise (rom 11) and why did Paul tell us that Gods promises are irrevocable? Would this not be why Israel is beloved, and because God will not forget his promise to them (when they repent)?

Rom 11:23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

God cut off fleshly Israel from being His chosen for their unbelief in Christ. But if they would believe in Christ God could graff them in again this time as Christians. The fleshly Jews fell away from God and could be graffed in AGAIN, (no eternal security here)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 11:19-20, 25
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

yet so many people think they are so wise.. even though paul warned against it. Sad!

 

[crossnote]

Amen. That's the Gospel of Jesus Christ alright

Rather this is the Gospel. ..

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They perish in unbelief. Still it does not void the promises given to Abraham (e.g. land), and his descendants. The church is not given land promises, Israel has them. After the rapture, God will resume His direct dealings with national Israel.

yes, but not because they are in sin, but because they have repented of their sin, and they all believe and recieve Jesus as messiah and savior

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes I believe the same,I possibly didnt make that clear,but I believe many, if not all,will come to him.

All we have to do is go by what our Lord said, and even He said many will fall away and not be saved.
He Himself even said that Judas was lost, so we can go by this that not all Jews will have salvation. Only those who come to accept Him.