Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[kennethcadwell]

thats true, but satan was crushed by the cross. his lie was silenced. the only way someone can buy into his lie now is to ignore the truth.

His lies still exist today, which is why we have so many different versions of the bible that have certain scriptures changed to change their meanings causing strife and division in the church.

Other lies of his that still exist today is surely you will not die, you can live life however you want and still be saved, a faith only salvation, and there are others.

Surely you will not die ( This lie leads to people thinking they can escape physical death in the flesh )

You can live however you want and still be saved ( This lie leads to thinking one can continue in willful sin, or can go back to living in willful sin later in life and keep salvation )

A faith only salvation ( This lie leads to people thinking they don't have to do nothing, they don't even have to repent any more for everything was finished at the cross. The refuse to look at the scriptures were Jesus says you are to do certain things, and the epistles that say the same including the main one. Faith without works is dead. )

Satan still lies to people in other ways, and still influences the church which is why we are now seeing gay marriage being accepted in some churches. To say he has been silenced would not be true either for he is ever present in the world and still pushing his agenda, and the bible says it will just get worse because he will push harder and harder as his time gets shorter and shorter.

 

[phil112]

..................I will leave the post for now and continue a bit later to prove Israel is still under Gods covenant and the Jews his chosen people....................

Kayla, step on up into the new testament days with the rest of us. The literal, physical, Israel broke God's covenant. They spit in His face and murdered His Son. God made a new covenant that includes you and I. Not interested in where I am from or what my ethnic heritage is - only that I am an inward jew.

Romans 2:28,29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

 

[crossnote]

The battle between Jesus and satan has not happened yet.
Satan is still lose on the earth to this day and will not be bound tell a future event when the tribulation period has become.
Then Satan will be bound and the antichrist and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, not yet happened. Then after a 1,000 years of Christ reigning down here on earth, He will release satan again which will set up the final battle where satan will then be cast into the lake of fire as well.

Satan and his demons still control the earth, which is why there is still so much hatred, grief, war, death, and so on....
If satan had already been crushed then all of this would be done away with.

has not happened, are you sure?

Colossians 2:14-15
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 

[prove-all]

the 1000 year reign is before the great white throne. It is before the final battle.

yes correct, when Isreal will be healed in 1000 year reign.

long before gwt and final judgement of individuals.

no land returning, no nation ,no Isreal mentioned at gwt

 

[SarahM777]

oh wow. Your joking right?

We are not grafted into Isreal. We were Grafted into CHRIST.

Israel was cut off, Because they rejected Christ, we were grafted in, because we recieved Christ.

wow. I hope you can admit this mistake.

UMM Where in Romans 11 that ALL of Israel was cut off? This what Romans 11 actually says

But if zsome of the branches were broken off, and you, aalthough a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root3 of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you bstand fast through faith. So cdo not become proud, but dfear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, eprovided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise fyou too will be cut off. 23 And geven they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

If Israel was cut off as a whole what does that do with the EARLIEST believers whom were OF ISRAEL? It says very plainly SOME of the natural branches off and if you understand anything at all about grafting a branch into tree,that branch becomes PART of the whole and NOT a separate entity. The disciples NEVER STOPPED being of believing Israel. What was cut off from the tree was UNBELIEVING Israel.

 

[kennethcadwell]

has not happened, are you sure?

Colossians 2:14-15
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

That has nothing to do with crushing satan.
This scripture is talking about doing away with the hand written ordinances of the mosaic law, such as no more animal sacrifice, no more putting people to death for certain sins, no more food restriction guidelines, and so on.
Then the second part just shows that we now know right from wrong, and what/who we should or should not do/follow in our walk. It openly made anything that satan does recognizable to us who walk firmly in our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[crossnote]

Kayla, step on up into the new testament days with the rest of us. The literal, physical, Israel broke God's covenant. They spit in His face and murdered His Son. God made a new covenant that includes you and I. Not interested in where I am from or what my ethnic heritage is - only that I am an inward jew.

Romans 2:28,29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Context, context, context. Romans 2:28-29 is comparing a natural born Jew who has no faith to a natural born Jew with faith, the latter being true Jews. No mention of Gentiles in it's context.

 

[Straightshot]

[Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; 31; Ezekiel 36; 38; 39; Daniel 9; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 1:7; 12]


The preterist must commit the above prophecies to allegory in order to support their theory since none of events above have ever taken place in the past

So preterism turns these things into metaphorical mush .... or tries in vain to prove a past fulfillment, .... or even more absurd attempts to place themselves as spiritual Israel

Preterism is a methodology set out to destroy the very fabric and truth of the Lord's Word by attrition

The next step is to create the fabrication of another gospel

Destroy .... and replace .... this is satanic meddling in the halls of the professing "church"

You have "stepped on up" to a dead ended road Phil

Do not let the pied pipers of preterism snooker you .... there is a rat in the wood pile

 

[prove-all]

thats true, but satan was crushed by the cross. his lie was silenced. the only way someone can buy into his lie now is to ignore the truth.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Straightshot]

2 Peter
1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[kennethcadwell]

[Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; 31; Ezekiel 36; 38; 39; Daniel 9; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 1:7; 12]


The preterist must commit the above prophecies to allegory in order to support their theory since none of events above have ever taken place in the past

So preterism turns these things into metaphorical mush .... or tries in vain to prove a past fulfillment, .... or even more absurd attempts to place themselves as spiritual Israel

Preterism is a methodology set out to destroy the very fabric and truth of the Lord's Word by attrition

The next step is to create the fabrication of another gospel

Destroy .... and replace .... this is satanic meddling in the halls of the professing "church"

You have "stepped on up" to a dead ended road Phil

Do not let the pied pipers of preterism snooker you .... there is a rat in the wood pile

Not to mention that in Revelation it talks about the 144,000 twice.
First sealed out of the twelve Jewish tribes, second when Jesus returns they are standing with Him.

Now if the Jews are not His chosen elect still, then why is the 144,000 just from the Jewish tribes.
If we are all the elect now, then shouldn't the 144,000 be made up of all the most faithful believers rather Jew or gentile.
But we know that is not the case, and the bible says we all can have that salvation in Him but He still has His chosen elect.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Context, context, context. Romans 2:28-29 is comparing a natural born Jew who has no faith to a natural born Jew with faith, the latter being true Jews. No mention of Gentiles in it's context.

Galatians 3:26-29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Straightshot]

The victory was won at the cross for sure .... foretold in advance [Genesis 3]

And now the devil runs to his ultimate fate [Revelation 20:10]

 

[Straightshot]

Correct Kenneth

The 144,000 are absolutely of Israel just as described .... and these particular 144000 have not yet appeared on the earth .... they will

The preterist says that Revelation's has already taken place in the past

... and when they run into things that simply have not yet happened by any historical record they just discard the same

 

[crossnote]

Galatians 3:26-29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

Yes IN CHRIST, but while we function in this world there are the distinctions between male/female, slave/free, Jew/Gentile. Otherwise, why would Paul forbid a woman to teach a man? etc.

 

[Bride]

Perhaps then you can help me out with this prophesy about Jesus,because I am having a REALLY hard time trying to find where in the Bible this was fulfilled LITERALLY. Perhaps I just missed it,or perhaps I am missing some pages from my Bible,or perhaps NOT all of the prophecies about Jesus were fulfilled literally.

Genesis 3

[SUP]14 [/SUP]So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[SUP][a][/SUP] and hers;
he will crush[SUP][b][/SUP] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
​

Can you please show me in scripture were Jesus took a two by four,rock,or stick to a serpents head till He crushed the serpents head? And can you show me were a literal serpent bruised Jesus heel? For some strange reason I can't find it. Can you?

O O I just see this post! I perceive a Child of God here I'm going to read more, hope my computer doesn't break, Hi Sarah Soulweaver likes you so and she is an incredibly bright shining Lady of Christ shining with His Glory in the dark place, I hope you two friend up!

Here's where Jesus crushed that nasty 'ol serpent for reals. THE REAL story as that guy I used to love would say... But be careful! It is SPIRITUAL! And that 'ol serpent seed hates anything Spiritual around here haHaaAA it's true too.

So anyway, I know your question is rhetorical to attempt instilling a synapsis or two to fire an arc of electricity somewhere in a brain. But we can just read it and see it is fun

(Gen 3:15)
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
(Gen 3:16)
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


Here's the REAL fulfillment of meaning to know and live;

(Rom 7:5)
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

(Rom 6:21)
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

(Eph 2:15)
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
(Col 2:15)
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(Heb 2:14)
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

CHRIST destroyed the devil when he tried to tempt Jesus in His body. That is "The Victory". Then risen, triumphed over death. The Tempter of the flesh and Death both being destroyed in the process Thank you Jesus!
NOW, Christ fights that same battle in us that He did in Jesus, IF WE'VE RECEIVED JESUS AT HIS COMING. We don't want to be as some who put it off into the "future fairy tale gospel" as the futurists do. I'll never warn against that enough.

(1Co 15:25)
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
(Eph 1:22)
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
(Heb 2:8)
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him...

This all can only happen as Gen 3:16 speaks of the WOMAN saved by the tribulation of birth pangs bringing forth the Promised Son who Saves Her in the Childbirthing;

And that is all revealed here,

(Joh 16:20)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
(Joh 16:21)
A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

(Luk 8:21)
And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
(Rom 7:4)
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

(Gal 4:26)
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(Luk 20:36)
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
(Gal 4:19)
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
(Rev 12:1)
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(Rev 12:2)
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

(Rom 8:22)
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
(Rom 8:23)
And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit
, the redemption of our body.





(Heb 12:22)
but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,

Fun huh!

 

[kennethcadwell]

Correct Kenneth

The 144,000 are absolutely of Israel just as described .... and these particular 144000 have not yet appeared on the earth .... they will

The preterist says that Revelation's has already taken place in the past

... and when they run into things that simply have not yet happened by any historical record they just discard the same

Exactly, the endless debates that if something can not be explained they write it off or say it is just symbolism and not to be taken literally.

The bible between Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and the other OT prophets along with our Lord Jesus in Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation when studied in full give an all out list of events to take place. They try to say some have happened even though others that need to take place first have not. They try to put events in bible with events in history when they don't match up. ( Example: AOD happened back in 70 AD ). Does not match because was not the antichrist the bible speaks of.
Another would be the total destruction of Damascus to where it becomes no longer a city. Damascus was attacked, but remained a city and was rebuilt.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Yes IN CHRIST, but while we function in this world there are the distinctions between male/female, slave/free, Jew/Gentile. Otherwise, why would Paul forbid a woman to teach a man? etc.

We are dead to the world and living in Spirit.

Do you guys really believe there will literally be 12000 from every tribe and 144000 of people saved in total? Exact numbers with not one less or more?

I used to think like this too. But then I thought, do you know how many billions of people lived on Earth since the beginning? That would make Jesus truly a poor savior if only 144000 gets saved. More than that died as martyrs for the cause of Christ. Are you sure you will fit into that 144000? Just a food for thought.

 

[Straightshot]

True Kenneth, the theology of preterism is a contrived ruse and should be avoided

The oldest and largest denominational "church" on the earth today touts the preterist doctrine .... and this affords the leaders to build in their own traditions of men

 

[eternally-gratefull]

UMM Where in Romans 11 that ALL of Israel was cut off? This what Romans 11 actually says

But if zsome of the branches were broken off, and you, aalthough a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root3 of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you bstand fast through faith. So cdo not become proud, but dfear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, eprovided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise fyou too will be cut off. 23 And geven they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

If Israel was cut off as a whole what does that do with the EARLIEST believers whom were OF ISRAEL? It says very plainly SOME of the natural branches off and if you understand anything at all about grafting a branch into tree,that branch becomes PART of the whole and NOT a separate entity. The disciples NEVER STOPPED being of believing Israel. What was cut off from the tree was UNBELIEVING Israel.

who said Isreal was cut off as a whole. Why dont you try to read what people says.

Isreal is the natural branches.

Gentiles are the unnatural branch.

That passage does not say all. It says they were blinded in Part.

who is they? Israel..

And what were you responding to anyway? The context of my remark was who is the root, the vine, the one who gives life. It is Christ. She said it was Israel. was I wrong in what I posted?