What of the dinosaurs?

[Kerry]

God gave us the concepts of physics so natural men could fathom at least in part the spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


In your opening paragraph lies a mystery. How do Hebrew rabbis and scholars who deal with Aramaic and Hebrew (et.al)) scriptures relate to translations of New Testament Greek scriptures into English in a superior way to Greek scholars who translate Greek scriptures into many world languages today?

The Bible says God spoke the finished heavenly bodies into existence, not restricted to time or natural process. It also says God is light, will light up heaven for eternity without natural stars. He was the light before any star appeared by the power in His words. In this place it is understood the Bible is true, and that's my only absolute source of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. I do appreciate true science, but reject naturalism, which fuels many false religions. The Big Bang hypothesis (can't be a true theory) is the prevailing atheist alternative to divine creation as stated in Genesis. It is on its way out among a host of astrophysicists anyway due to extremely serious disputations by scientists, and has been significantly modified to resemble a fusion of philosophies.

Welcome to CChat! and hold on to yer hat.

In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. That means that God created all of the heavens including the sun and moon in the beginning. which means the Earth was here and the Sun and Moon before there was an Adam.

The Earth became void ( read the Hebrew) and full of darkness, God would not create something that was full of darkness as HE is light. In Fact He said let there be light and there was light before He allowed the Sun to shine. On the fourth Day God allowed the the Sun to shine ( check the Hebrew is a word of allowance not creation) and the moon (again allowance and not creation)

 

[JackH]

There is no reason why very young dinosaurs were not represented on the Ark during the Genesis flood. I call this common sense. They would have made an important part of man's diet during those early years of regrowth. Multiplying forage animals and sufficient vegetation would not likely have sustained any significant number of dinosaurs anywhere, especially the likes of a T. rex.

A significant number of dinosaurs including T. rex were sustained in Montana, were they not? As in the Hell Creek Formation. Until they became extinct around 65 million years ago.

You need to quit reading those Ken Ham comic books with the dinosaur and human coexisting on the cover.

 

[Kerry]

A significant number of dinosaurs including T. rex were sustained in Montana, were they not? As in the Hell Creek Formation. Until they became extinct around 65 million years ago.

You need to quit reading those Ken Ham comic books with the dinosaur and human coexisting on the cover.

65 million years ago, go through the biblical begat s and you will find that man is is just over 6,000 years old

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

I don't want to get too far off the dinosaur topic. However, the two Genesis texts I most often recommend are;

Jewish Publication Society
2004 “The Jewish Study Bible: TANAKA translation” Oxford University Press.

Speiser, E. A.
1962 "Genesis: Introduction, Translation and Notes" New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday

 

[Kerry]

I recommend Genesis 1 and 2 and no other input from lying theorist

 

[JackH]

65 million years ago, go through the biblical begat s and you will find that man is is just over 6,000 years old

So why was Bishop Ussher's chronology that gives you all this begat business and your 6,000-year-old world removed from the King James Bible after being in it for a couple hundred years?

Try lack of credibility.

 

[Straightshot]

Remember Kerry that Jack does not buy your biblical account .... and so there is really no common ground between you

Those who are in darkness cannot see what you see and so they have chosen to immerse them selves in man made theories

 

[Kerry]

So why was Bishop Ussher's chronology that gives you all this begat business and your 6,000-year-old world removed from the King James Bible after being in it for a couple hundred years?

Try lack of credibility.

I could care less about Bishop so and so, I'm talking bible if you have read it.

 

[Kerry]

Where was Adam 65 million years ago?

 

[4enlightment]

I am not a cosmologist. However there are two points I think worth noting. The first is that the popular "standard" translation to English from the Greek is not the same as the more recent translations done by actual Hebrew Rabbis and scholars.

The second is that there was necessarily a long (possibly hundreds of millions of years) period following the Big Bang origin when there would be no light. That would be the result because it would have taken that long for gravity to collect suficient matter into clumps that would then form stars. So, if you wanted to push the issue a little farther, there was matter (ie earth) without structure, and dark.

I don't recommend that kind of interpretation at all because the Bible was written as a spiritual text, and not a physics lesson.

Two good recent books on cosmology are;
Krauss, Lawrence
2012 “A Universe From Nothing” New York: Free Press

Susskind, Leonard 2005 "The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the Illusion of Intelligent Design" New York: Little and Brown Publishers


This NASA webpage is free and excellent; WMAP's Introduction to Cosmology

Yes, it does says in the scriptures that His word is not to be taken literally, because it suppose to have been discerned spiritually. And yes, the scriptures are translated a little different from the original writings, but you can see where it has been altered, by reading it and comparing it with others translations. And remember, the Jews documents were destroyed during the time of Nero, and so they restored some of the scriptures from memories.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

And does an animal has an extrasensory that they can tell when a earthquake is coming?

 

[Straightshot]

That is a novel question

Tell the forum Jack

 

[Kerry]

Yes, it does says in the scriptures that His word is not to be taken literally, because it suppose to have been discerned spiritually. And yes, the scriptures are translated a little different from the original writings, but you can see where it has been altered, by reading it and comparing it with others translations. And remember, the Jews documents were destroyed during the time of Nero, and so they restored some of the scriptures from memories.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

And does an animal has an extrasensory that they can tell when a earthquake is coming?

If it's not taken literally then what hope do we have, well God really didn't promise this or that and well sin is okay cause we can't help it, in fact why read the bible at all, it makes no never mind. I am astounded by the stupidity.

 

[Straightshot]

The Lord's Word is literal 100% .... no room for meddling

All symbols given are fully explained either within the context of a passage, or in some other verses of scripture

The Lord is not a God of confusion

 

[4enlightment]

If it's not taken literally then what hope do we have, well God really didn't promise this or that and well sin is okay cause we can't help it, in fact why read the bible at all, it makes no never mind. I am astounded by the stupidity.

Deuteronomy 11:18 Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

And so, by taking the word of God literally, did it help them to gain understandings, and or to perfection? The word is not to be taken literally, because it leads to sin (death). I'd remember while growing up, people never had read the scriptures but they away carrying the Bible with them, believing that if you carry the Bible with you, that you'll be save and they'd believe that the Bible will protect you from harm. Those people rejected the words by not reading to understand them.

Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

 

[DancingForJesus]

People will ultimately believe what they want to believe. You don't just see it here, but across all subjects and walks of life. People will always disagree, and people will always find some reason to refute what they don't want to believe.

That said, those who don't believe God created the earth are not any more likely to believe Jesus is the salvation for humankind. You can go round and round and round in circles increasing to ever more hostile levels, but its not going to change their mind. It doesn't accomplish anything but frustration and hatred for the other on both ends.

The Holy Spirit must open a person's heart before they will ever be accepting of Jesus. Once you have accepted Jesus, the veil slowly comes off your eyes..... its not a pleasant process, seeing things are not what you thought they were.

As for the rest of it, all will be revealed once we reach heaven. Why worry about it down here? This is belief by faith, for if you don't believe Jesus came and died to save you and pay for your sins, then what will you believe? Faith is not born out of dead assumptions but out of honest, child-like belief.

Stop trotting the circles, because they don't end. Each person must be humbled before they will accept the truth. Each person must reach a point where nothing makes sense anymore, and once they have they will see the truth. And the truth will set them free.

I know what I believe-Jesus is my Savior, and God the Father created all things. How and when it happened aren't of concern to me as I am focused on the now. And because my belief is born out of faith, it will not be shaken by any man or any of satan's tactics.

So yes, if you tried to change my mind about God, you would be talking to a brick wall; for how could I deny the One who has changed me so profoundly? And you will never understand until you experience this yourself.

Jesus loves you!!!!!!

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I dont remember what it said about dinosaurs, but there is a book called Science, evidence for truth if you want to fight back with science

 

[ColinCat]

I dont remember what it said about dinosaurs, but there is a book called Science, evidence for truth if you want to fight back with science

But I thought science was evil and tried to convince people not to believe in God.

Is this book some sort of special acceptable science?

 

[Cycel]

Dinosaurs would have been named to, but the thing is that we can know by history and looking at Genesis that the names of all the animals that existed was a very vague list. We know for instance from fossils that cockroaches have been around just as long as the dinosaurs, but does the bible every actually mention them? Or does it just talk in the general term like the creeping things of that kind. He mainly talks about kinds, not actual names.

Cockroaches and other creeping things would not pose much of a threat or capture that much notice, but ask yourself why lions garner so much mention in the Bible. They are predators traveling in packs and posed considerable threat. Now think of the new vision of theropod dinosaurs. These were predators, many of them larger than lions, and they traveled in packs. They would have posed a significant threat. It is hard to imagine they would not be noticed.

 

[4enlightment]

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Research of Australian Reptillian Water Monsters

Fig 5. Purported aboriginal art - not authenticated.​

[h=2]Historic illustrations[/h]An illustration claimed to be recent aboriginal art depicts a plesiosaur, but it cannot be demonstrated as authentic (Fig 5). The typical medium of aboriginal art is rock but the plesiosaur art is not. The artwork also bears striking similarity with existing modern artwork and shares the same anatomical errors - the necks of plesiosaurs are now known to have been held-straight and rigid, they were not extremely flexible as depicted. Even if the artwork was genuine, it is perfectly possible that the illustration is based on fossil evidence as plesiosaur fossil remains are known from Australia.
The Plesiosaur Directory - A review of the evidence for living plesiosaurs


Isn't it funny that science claims that they has the capability to date anything back to a millions of years, but they didn't dated this cave or rock drawing of an prehistoric sea creature. I doesn't know that any of you people ever interact with others; People are not what they appear to be, to me it seems as they all suffer from some nervous break-down. If a person is up in age, and still believe or trust others, especially ones that doesn't believe in someone that has a healthy mind that is showing all of us that they really does need a physician. You all can keep on searching for someone with a healthy mind that can guide you, but you will become even more blind while following them until you all falls into a pit. You can't trust no one and you doesn't have to be an Rocket scientist to find that out., even Abraham Lincoln was trying to resolve a problem to convince others what is morally right and what is wrong.

 

[Cycel]

I am not into science at all..so I have no clue so I will ask..what is the diff between the big bang and God saying "Let there be light"?

The Big Bang Theory has lots of math behind it and observational evidence that points in that direction. In Near Eastern religious belief (Canaanites, Babylonians, and Hebrews) a god need merely create something by speaking the word for it. The one is science, the other appears to be myth.