Simple Question...No Simple Answer

[TaylorTG]

what is a good work and how many do you need?

A good work would be any act that is done out of Christian Charity. Scripture says that Christ performed tons of works which made many believe, but scripture couldn't record all of them.

 

[Kerry]

A good work would be any act that is done out of Christian Charity. Scripture says that Christ performed tons of works which made many believe, but scripture couldn't record all of them.

Wrong Jesus said why do you call me good for no man is good. The only good works are done by the Holy Spirit and not us.

 

[JamesFlash]

A good work would be any act that is done out of Christian Charity. Scripture says that Christ performed tons of works which made many believe, but scripture couldn't record all of them.

christian charity...where does it say that.
couldnt a good work be.....being an obedient son or daughter.
working for a living.
not cheating on your spouse.
smiling at your neighbor.

proverbs lists some., can you

 

[JamesFlash]

Wrong Jesus said why do you call me good for no man is good. The only good works are done by the Holy Spirit and not us.

are you suddenly a robot and not responsible for your works good ro bad.
if you take your elderly neighbor a hot meal was it you or the Holy Spirit
if you bring flowers to your wife was it you or the Holy spirit
come on

 

[SolidGround]

We can love others because He FIRST loved us.
Yes, all our good deeds come from an overflow of what we have been given.
The Spirit works within us, and produces good fruit.

Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you,doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

[newbirth]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Elin]

Faith alone saves, but faith is never alone.

It's not complicated.

Elin alone cooks Thanksgiving dinner, but Elin is never alone.

you have two false statement....

Elin alone knit the sweater, but Elin is never alone.

you put the quote of Calvin against the quote of James and Paul....I stand with James and Paul...

Both Paul and James teach that faith alone saves, but faith is never alone.

that is pure garbage....we are saved by grace through faith....where is faith alone in that...? faith without works is dead ...there is faith alone ....and it looks pretty dead to me...

The meaning of the grammatical construction of the sentences regarding faith and regarding Elin are clear.

 

[Elin]

[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

notice he did not say ...shall all be made righteous....all men are offered life not all will accept.

Notice he did say they were made sinners by Adam's sin,
which they were born with in their nature (Eph 2:3), and what is called original sin.

Notice he did say they were made righteous by the obedience of Christ's sacrifice on the cross,
not by any work of their own (Eph 2:8-9).

 

[Elin]

James says works justify faith, Paul says faith justifies (to) salvation.

James did not say that,,,

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. ( a man is Justified by faith with works)

You set the Scriptures against themselves, demonstrating that you do not understand them correctly,
for the word of God does not contradict itself.

Context:

"What good is it, my brother, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds. Can such faith save him?" (Jas 2:14)

James is talking about the nature of faith, of true faith which saves vs. false faith which does not save (Jas 2:15-16).
He is not talking about the operation of true faith only in salvation.

Faith alone saves, but faith is never alone.
Elin alone knit the sweater, but Elin is never alone.

It's not complicated.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be
justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for
by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (a man is justified by faith) not by works of the law

In perfect agreement with James: salvation is by true faith alone, never by any kind of work,
for with Paul, "works" always means works of the law, it never means any other kind of work.

To insert any other kind of work into the meaning of Paul's text, is to alter Paul's usage of the word "works."

 

[Elin]

Wrong Jesus said why do you call me good for no man is good. The only good works are done by the Holy Spirit and not us.

Jesus was saying to him that since only God is good, to call Jesus good is to admit he is God.

 

[posthuman]

are you suddenly a robot and not responsible for your works good ro bad.
if you take your elderly neighbor a hot meal was it you or the Holy Spirit
if you bring flowers to your wife was it you or the Holy spirit
come on

if i take food to an elderly neighbor it's sure not my old carnal nature causing me to do that. i'm a thief by nature. charity is a new thing in me - how did it get there?

if i take flowers to my wife it's not the Holy Spirit though - i'd be in deep trouble with her for killing those living things instead of just showing them to her where they grow. now you all know something about my wife - the Holy Spirit knows too, and wouldn't move me to offend her that way.

 

[posthuman]

are you suddenly a robot and not responsible for your works good ro bad.
if you take your elderly neighbor a hot meal was it you or the Holy Spirit
if you bring flowers to your wife was it you or the Holy spirit
come on

what is it that the Holy Spirit does in your life?

is the extent of His work some lofty spiritual things we can talk about but never feel or experience, and maybe a warm fuzzy feeling in your belly when you listen to Hillsong or the Gaither Brothers?

or does God work a real change in you, renewing your mind and regenerating your spirit? if God's the one who put in you a heart to help the poor, and you, against your own old nature and obedient to the new nature God is working in you, feed the hungry, is it right to say "by my will i have done this" ? if you've surrendered your will to Him and He changes your will?

anyhow that's the thought process. it's not trying to run away from responsibility; it's trying to be honest about causation & give credit where credit is due.

The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom
by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
(Daniel 4:30)

no, o king Nebudchanezzar, in fact you did not build that. the Almighty put His hand on you and raised you up. not by your power, but by the power He appointed to you, in the season He appointed.

 

[posthuman]

And I will lead the blind
in a way that they do not know,
in paths that they have not known
I will guide them.
I will turn the darkness before them into light,
the rough places into level ground.
These are the things I do,
and I do not forsake them.

(Isaiah 42:16)

 

[newbirth]

Notice he did say they were made sinners by Adam's sin,
which they were born with in their nature (Eph 2:3), and what is called original sin.

Notice he did say they were made righteous by the obedience of Christ's sacrifice on the cross,
not by any work of their own (Eph 2:8-9).

justification of life is to all men (Rom 5:18)...... according to you men are made righteous by the obedience of Christ's sacrifice on the cross,
Just like that ...Boom the whole world is justified ,righteous and saved courtesy Elin
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore, everyone was condemned through one failure, and everyone received God’s life-giving approval through one verdict.


New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Jesus was saying to him that since only God is good, to call Jesus good is to admit he is God.

Seems Kerry was also on to something, an interesting duality of truth there! This is just a clever beyond all statement of Christ, where one must wonder if anybody caught on.

Ah sez once ta' Elduh Floyd, "Panjandrumus? Ya' thinks Jesus be good?" Floyd sez, "Yooo betcha'!" Den sez I, "Jesus be God, den, onliest God goood, don' ya know'd?" Tellin' yooo, Kingdom Hall dun shakin', land 'o mercy, feet don' fail me now!

 

[Elin]

Notice he did say they were made sinners by Adam's sin,
which they were born with in their nature (Eph 2:3), and which is called original sin.

Notice he did say they were made righteous by the obedience of Christ's sacrifice on the cross,
not by any work of their own (Eph 2:8-9).

justification of life is to all men (Rom 5:18)...... according to you men are made righteous by the obedience of Christ's sacrifice on the cross,
Just like that ...Boom the whole world is justified ,righteous and saved courtesy Elin

Eph 2:8-9 states that it is only through faith. You don't know that?

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore, everyone was condemned through one failure, and everyone received God’s life-giving approval through one verdict.

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

The NIV reads: "the result of one act of righteousness (obedience to death on the cross) was justification that brings life for all men.

That is the universal offer of salvation.

 

[newbirth]

You set the Scriptures against themselves, demonstrating that you do not understand them correctly,
for the word of God does not contradict itself.

so I set scripture against themselves now....all Idid was quote the word.....


James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. ( a man is Justified by faith with works)

Context

:

"What good is it, my brother, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds. Can such faith save him?" (Jas 2:14)

James is talking about the nature of faith, of true faith which saves vs. false faith which does not save (Jas 2:15-16).
He is not talking about the operation of true faith only in salvation.

James is talking about faith without works /deeds....and he is asking can such faith save him? what is your answer yes or no?
what do you mean by...

He is not talking about the operation of true faith only in salvation.

. where did that come from? what epistle? ,what chapter? ,what verse?

Faith alone saves, but faith is never alone.
Elin alone knit the sweater, but Elin is never alone.

It's not complicated.

Elin is not faith.....the scripture says faith can be alone...[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Elin says faith is never alone...what is even worst Elin says true faith is alone...

He is not talking about the operation of true faith only in salvation.

In perfect agreement with James: salvation is by true faith alone, never by any kind of work,
for with Paul, "works" always means works of the law, it never means any other kind of work.

To insert any other kind of work into the meaning of Paul's text, is to alter Paul's usage of the word "works."

now Elin is saying

with Paul, "works" always means works of the law, it never means any other kind of work.

what Elin just did was put us back under the law...
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I digress

 

[Elin]

Wrong Jesus said why do you call me good for no man is good. The only good works are done by the Holy Spirit and not us.

Jesus was saying to him that since only God is good, to call Jesus good is to admit he is God.

Seems Kerry was also on to something, an interesting duality of truth there! This is just a clever beyond all statement of Christ, where one must wonder if anybody caught on.

Ah dont' bees seein' dat duality.

Da man's topic was Jesus, and Jesus' answer was 'bout Jesus, not 'bout nobody else.

Ah sez once ta' Elduh Floyd, "Panjandrumus? Ya' thinks Jesus be good?" Floyd sez, "Yooo betcha'!" Den sez I, "Jesus be God, den, onliest God goood, don' ya know'd?" Tellin' yooo, Kingdom Hall dun shakin', land 'o mercy, feet don' fail me now!

Shiver me timbers.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Ah dont' bees seein' dat duality.

Da man's topic was Jesus, and Jesus' answer was 'bout Jesus, not 'bout nobody else.


Shiver me timbers.

Not a duality in the statement by Jesus' intent of that statement, but a duality in a truth it put forward, and, tack on to that, Jesus Christ only operated as God, in His amazing works, by the power of His fullness of the Holy Spirit. He was even born of the Holy Spirit and Mary. I find layers of truth sprinkled all around scripture.

(Be's keepin' yer timbers warm, have mercy!)

 

[JesusIsAll]

Or, whatever good in the Lord we are or do, is it not only by the power of the Holy Spirit, doing His work in us? What facilitates our walking in the light of Christ? Doctrine? No. Absent the Holy Spirit, you just have a whole damned world of humanity left, doing what it always does, bad.