Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

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It's called "hedging their bets" (playing it safe) ... "I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee" ... and not understanding who the Israel of God truly is ... i.e. ... the body of believers.
Not true,

Israel is our enemy concerning the gospel. And everyone here would confront them of their false gospel. It has nothing to do with blessing them. or cursing them. If we do not share the gospel with them, we hate them.
 
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You left out chapter 11. Where Paul lets us know who Israel is (blinded in part, cut off, natural branches, enemies of the gospel. yet beloved by the promises, elect etc etc.
You forget that Romans 11 speaks of BELIEVING ISRAEL AND UNBELIEVING ISRAEL. Paul very clearly makes that distinction and you continue to leave that part out.
 
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is this so? Who is binding with unbelieving Israel? Has Crossnote,? Myself or anyone else in here done this to cause this hate to happen??

Yet more false accusation, and more excuses to spread a hate of a people God will bless when they repent. yet more lies to promote yourself, and belittle others.
Did I say you or Crossnote in that statement or did I say MANY do? Who now is the accuser?
 
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The fact is, bottom line Zionism is the right of Israel to be in their land, to be a Jewish nation, a Jewish people, until the Lord comes to open their eyes, until the Lord has finished His work with Jacob. Almighty God has a plan, the whole plan in the Bible, has placed Israel back in their land as prophesied out the wazoo, even the next steps clear to eternity, once you know anything about the word of God. You can pussy foot around all you want with your Nazi semantics and Antisemitic, not so subtle Antisemitism (duh!), that fools nobody, with eyes to see. Those of you who hate the Jew and hate Israel are enemies of God, His eternal plan, and you are sock puppets of Satan. Your Biblical exegesis is utter rubbish. This being the case, why don't you just go buy yourselves a Quran, since the Bible is doing you no good, and find some MuslimChat forum? Or shop eBay for Nazi memorabilia?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 
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You forget that Romans 11 speaks of BELIEVING ISRAEL AND UNBELIEVING ISRAEL. Paul very clearly makes that distinction and you continue to leave that part out.
Yes he does. Which proves he is talking about Israel vs Gentile.

He also speaks of Israel only being unbelieving (blinded) in part until a specific time, in which (at that time) All Israel will be saved, Why? The deliverer will come out of Zion, an take away their sin (future tense)

I did not leave it out, It actually proves my point.
 
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Did I say you or Crossnote in that statement or did I say MANY do? Who now is the accuser?
I asked if ANYONE was saying it. Did you even read what I said?

You people are discussing in here, where have we said this? if we have not said it, then to use it as an argument against us does not make any sense now does it? Which was my point.
 
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The fact is, bottom line Zionism is the right of Israel to be in their land, to be a Jewish nation, a Jewish people, until the Lord comes to open their eyes, until the Lord has finished His work with Jacob. Almighty God has a plan, the whole plan in the Bible, has placed Israel back in their land as prophesied out the wazoo, even the next steps clear to eternity, once you know anything about the word of God. You can pussy foot around all you want with your Nazi semantics and Antisemitic, not so subtle Antisemitism (duh!), that fools nobody, with eyes to see. Those of you who hate the Jew and hate Israel are enemies of God, His eternal plan, and you are sock puppets of Satan. Your Biblical exegesis is utter rubbish. This being the case, why don't you just go buy yourselves a Quran, since the Bible is doing you no good, and find some MuslimChat forum? Or shop eBay for Nazi memorabilia?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Israel only has a right to her land once she repents.

Until then there will never be peace in Israel. and we should not think otherwise.
 
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I asked if ANYONE was saying it. Did you even read what I said?

You people are discussing in here, where have we said this? if we have not said it, then to use it as an argument against us does not make any sense now does it? Which was my point.
Did you even READ WHAT I SAID? No where in that post did I say anyone in here was doing it.

This is what I said



Originally Posted by SarahM777

The difference is that NO CHRISTIAN would bind themselves with UNBELIEVERS in the same manner as they do with UNBELIEVING ISRAEL. Unbelieving Israel ARE THE ONLY ONES that are UNTOUCHABLE to many Christians. They can do no wrong. Many have gotten to the point that they believe that UNBELIEVING ISRAEL CAN BE SAVED JUST ON THEIR HERITAGE. Never mind that Moses,the prophets,Jesus and the apostles made a DISTINCTION between believing Israel and UNBELIEVING Israel.


And again DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT IS BEING SAID or do you continue to take things out of CONTEXT AND READ THINGS INTO what is being said?
 
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Yes he does. Which proves he is talking about Israel vs Gentile.

He also speaks of Israel only being unbelieving (blinded) in part until a specific time, in which (at that time) All Israel will be saved, Why? The deliverer will come out of Zion, an take away their sin (future tense)

I did not leave it out, It actually proves my point.
No it DOES NOT prove your point. You LEFT OUT BELIEVING Israel into which believing Gentiles are grafted into the same tree. Not two trees,not three trees,but ONE TREE.

Did Jesus as the lamb of God take away the sin of the world already or is that FUTURE?
 
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"The difference is that NO CHRISTIAN would bind themselves with UNBELIEVERS in the same manner as they do with UNBELIEVING ISRAEL."


So why has the Lord bound?

He has you know .... the scriptures attest to this fact .... just one that clearly explains the fact [Ezekiel 36]

He has a purpose

You are denying

I see a disconnect in your story
 
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"The difference is that NO CHRISTIAN would bind themselves with UNBELIEVERS in the same manner as they do with UNBELIEVING ISRAEL."


So why has the Lord bound?

He has you know .... the scriptures attest to this fact .... just one that clearly explains the fact [Ezekiel 36]

He has a purpose

You are denying

I see a disconnect in your story
Then how do you deal with these verses?


2 Corinthians 6


[SUP]14 [/SUP]Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? [SUP]15 [/SUP]What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[SUP][b][/SUP]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?[SUP]16 [/SUP]What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”[SUP][c][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”[SUP][d][/SUP]

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And,
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”[SUP][e]


Titus 1

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. [SUP]11 [/SUP]They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. [SUP]12 [/SUP]One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]13 [/SUP]This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith [SUP]14 [/SUP]and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.



Revelation 3

[/SUP][SUP]7 [/SUP]“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. [SUP]9[/SUP]I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

We are told these things for a reason.
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Then how do you deal with these verses?


2 Corinthians 6


[SUP]14 [/SUP]Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? [SUP]15 [/SUP]What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[SUP][b][/SUP]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?[SUP]16 [/SUP]What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”[SUP][c][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”[SUP][d][/SUP]

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And,
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”[SUP][e]


Titus 1

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. [SUP]11 [/SUP]They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. [SUP]12 [/SUP]One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]13 [/SUP]This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith [SUP]14 [/SUP]and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.



Revelation 3

[/SUP][SUP]7 [/SUP]“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. [SUP]9[/SUP]I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

We are told these things for a reason.
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I would think that is why some followed the Pharisees and some followed Jesus, even Paul who did both.. So your putting all of them in one box.
 
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Israel only has a right to her land once she repents.

Until then there will never be peace in Israel. and we should not think otherwise.
The people of todays Israel reject Jesus Christ. Does this mean her people have no right to be there ... yet ? And if her right to be there is dependent upon her repentance, how then is this not a salvation issue ? Not trying to be mean or rude here ... but you're all over the map on this issue. And I haven't even touched on glorified body humans living amongst/with unglorified body humans in your future millennium. Where do you stand on a return to animal sacrifices in the rebuilt temple during this time ? Yeah or nay ? Sheesh .... don't you see this for the mess it is ? :(
 
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The fact is, bottom line Zionism is the right of Israel to be in their land, to be a Jewish nation, a Jewish people, until the Lord comes to open their eyes, until the Lord has finished His work with Jacob. Almighty God has a plan, the whole plan in the Bible, has placed Israel back in their land as prophesied out the wazoo, even the next steps clear to eternity, once you know anything about the word of God. You can pussy foot around all you want with your Nazi semantics and Antisemitic, not so subtle Antisemitism (duh!), that fools nobody, with eyes to see. Those of you who hate the Jew and hate Israel are enemies of God, His eternal plan, and you are sock puppets of Satan. Your Biblical exegesis is utter rubbish. This being the case, why don't you just go buy yourselves a Quran, since the Bible is doing you no good, and find some MuslimChat forum? Or shop eBay for Nazi memorabilia?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Again, you build strawmen and it sounds like you have nothing to stand on, but the notes of Scofield. You ad hom attacks shows that you can't dispute with scripture.

Where did God promise a Jewish nation? If you can find scripture where God states that His plan is for a Jewish people (not Children of Israel, not Hebrew, but Jewish), then I'll retract my statements, but truth is, you won't find it. Matter of fact, let me ask you this, what is a Jewish person? What makes a person a Jew?

Reread you post and tell me who is acting as a blind fanatic. I reiterate that you have NO CLUE what Zionist is.
 
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[TD="width: 593, align: left"][h=1]What does it mean that the Jews are God’s chosen people?[/h]
Question: "What does it mean that the Jews are God’s chosen people?"

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God’s Word affirms that the Jews are God’s chosen people: “You are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6). From eternity past God knew that He would need to be born into the human race in order to save us from the spiritually dead condition that we were in (Ephesians 1—2;Genesis 3). God had planned from the beginning to be born into a very small nation or race of people called the Jews. The Old Testament tells the story of how God set about creating, distinguishing, and preserving that race.

The ultimate goal of God’s choice of the Jews as His chosen people was to produce the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who would be the Savior of the world. Jesus had to come from some nation or people, and God chose Israel. God first promised the Savior/Messiah after Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis 3). Later, God specified that the Messiah would come from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Genesis 12). Later still, He narrowed the Messiah’s ancestry to the line of David (2 Samuel 7). Throughout their history, the people of Israel were aware of their “chosen” status before God (see 1 Kings 3:8; 8:53;Psalm 105:43; Isaiah 43:4; 65:9; and Amos 3:2). The fact that God has an eternal future for Israel is evident in that five sixths of the Bible bears directly or indirectly upon them—Jesus being the central figure who brought the Jews and Gentiles together (Ephesians 2:14).

The fact that the Jews are God’s chosen people means that they have been held to a high standard. From those who are given much, much is required (Luke 12:48), or as God said through one prophet, “You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins” (Amos 3:2).

Israel’s responsibilities have included keeping and preserving the Law (Joshua 22:5); being “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation” (Exodus 19:6); and bringing “renown and praise and honor” to the Lord (Jeremiah 13:11). Their high calling is straight from the God who chose them out of all the nations of the earth.

Recommended Resources: Israelology: The Missing Link in Systematic Theology by Arnold Fruchtenbaum and Logos Bible Software.

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Question: "Are Jews saved because they are God's chosen people? Will Jews go to Heaven even if they do not trust in Jesus?"

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Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6). The “no one” He referred to includes Jews and Gentiles. Jews are not saved because they are God’s chosen people, but because they believe in Jesus Christ as their true Messiah. There are many Messianic Jews who have accepted Yeshua (the Hebrew word for “Jesus”) as their Messiah.

However, there is no doubt that the Jews are still God’s chosen people. “For you are a holy people unto the LORD your God: the LORD your God hath chosen you to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers…” (Deuteronomy 7:6-8).

From all the nations and people on the earth, why exactly did God “choose” the Jews? John Gill, in his Exposition of the Entire Bible, says the Jews were “chosen for special service and worship, and to enjoy special privileges and benefits, civil and religious; though they were not chosen to special grace…or eternal glory.” The Jews were chosen to be a blessing to all the nations of the earth (Genesis 12). The Jews were chosen to be a light to the Gentiles. So then, are all Jews “saved” just because they are Jews?

According to many modern rabbinical scholars the Christian concept of salvation from sin has no equal in Judaism. Judaism does not believe that man, by his nature, is evil or sinful and therefore believes that man has no need to be “saved” from an eternal damnation. In fact, most Jews today do not believe in a place of eternal punishment or a literal hell. The Hebrew root word for “sin” is chayt, which literally means “to miss the mark.” It is a term commonly used in archery, of one who “misses the mark” of the bull’s-eye. When a Jew misses the mark and occasionally falls into the sin of failing to fulfill the laws of God, the belief is that he can obtain forgiveness through prayer, repentance and doing good deeds.

The book of Leviticus (17:11), the third book of the Torah, clearly gives the prescription for forgiveness: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.” The temple sacrifice was always the centerpiece for Jewish atonement. Once a year, on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), the Levitical High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies in the temple and sprinkle the blood of the sacrifice on the mercy seat. Through this yearly act, atonement was made for the sins of all Israel, but the Holy Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70, and for almost 2,000 years, Jews have been without a temple, a sacrifice, and a means of atonement.

The Brit Chadasha (the New Covenant or New Testament) teaches us that the Jewish Messiah, Jesus Christ, came to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24) precisely at the time preceding the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. “But when Messiah arrived as a High Priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more complete Tabernacle, not made with hands—that is, not of this creation—and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered into the Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been made common, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Messiah, Who through the eternal Spirit, offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the Living God?” (Hebrews 9:11-14).

The New Testament teaches that all of us, Jews and Gentiles, have “missed the mark” (Romans 3:23). All of us are under the consequences of sin, and “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). We are all in need of salvation from our sin; we are all in need of a Savior. The New Testament teaches that Jesus the Messiah is “the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father” but through Him (John 14:6) And, most importantly, “there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which it is necessary for us to be saved" (Acts 4:12).

For the Jews, Jesus the Messiah has come as High Priest and through His once-for-all sacrifice for sin offers complete atonement to all people. For there is “no distinction” between Jew and Gentile (Romans 10:12). Yes, the Jews are God’s chosen people, and through them came the Jewish Messiah to bless all the nations of the earth. And it is only through Jesus that Jews can find God’s complete atonement and forgiveness.

While individual Jews must come to Christ for salvation, God is still not finished with Israel as a nation. The Bible tells us that in the end times, Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Jeremiah 33:8, Ezekiel 11:17, and Romans 11:26 predict that in the end times Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered in their homeland. This regathering took place in 1948 when Israel was recognized as a sovereign country by the United Nations. (Please see our article on Israel’s role in the end times.) Clearly, God is not finished with the Jewish people.

Recommended Resources: Faith of Israel, 2d ed.: A Theological Survey of the Old Testament by William Dumbrell and Logos Bible Software.

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You LEFT out Verses 7-10,where Paul speaks of WHO Israel is.

Not surprised that many will not,we have become a SOUND BITE GENERATION. If can't be said in 15 seconds or less forget about it. Never mind that way leaves out way too much.
I've read the context, "It's called the bible, but it's a little long to quote...don't think RoboOp would appreciate it.
 
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No it DOES NOT prove your point. You LEFT OUT BELIEVING Israel into which believing Gentiles are grafted into the same tree. Not two trees,not three trees,but ONE TREE.

Did Jesus as the lamb of God take away the sin of the world already or is that FUTURE?
Sorry, You did not read the passage, Gentiles are being grafted in (present tense) as the blinded israel are being cut off. That was a fact.

the part about Israel being blinded in part. but ONLY until the time of the gentile is complete. are events which occure AFTER the gentile cutting in, The warning is, As easily as they were cut off and we are grafted in, They could even easier be grafted in after we are cut off (the falling away so to speak)

And yuo totally ignore the end of the passage, All Israel will be saved, Gods gifts are irrevocable, and those hates jews are still to be loved according to the promise.
 
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Sorry, You did not read the passage, Gentiles are being grafted in (present tense) as the blinded israel are being cut off. That was a fact.

the part about Israel being blinded in part. but ONLY until the time of the gentile is complete. are events which occure AFTER the gentile cutting in, The warning is, As easily as they were cut off and we are grafted in, They could even easier be grafted in after we are cut off (the falling away so to speak)

And yuo totally ignore the end of the passage, All Israel will be saved, Gods gifts are irrevocable, and those hates jews are still to be loved according to the promise.
Again you AVOID BELIEVING ISRAEL,Do they LOSE or FORFEIT all the promises because they believe in Christ? Or is it just as scripture states that WE ARE JOINT HEIRS WITH BELIEVING ISRAEL? God already showed in the OT the type and shadow of what is being said in the NT. God very clearly showed the Gentiles WOULD BE JOINT PARTAKERS with BELIEVING ISRAEL.
The distinction that the scriptures makes over and over again is between BELIEVING ISRAEL AND UNBELIEVING ISRAEL.


I read the passage,but do you really understand it? Do you understand that ALL ISRAEL is and always will be those that will become BELIEVING ISRAEL? Do you understand who BELIEVING ISRAEL EVEN IS?
 
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Sorry, You did not read the passage, Gentiles are being grafted in (present tense) as the blinded israel are being cut off. That was a fact.

the part about Israel being blinded in part. but ONLY until the time of the gentile is complete. are events which occure AFTER the gentile cutting in, The warning is, As easily as they were cut off and we are grafted in, They could even easier be grafted in after we are cut off (the falling away so to speak)

And yuo totally ignore the end of the passage, All Israel will be saved, Gods gifts are irrevocable, and those hates jews are still to be loved according to the promise.
And to take it further it is a SALVATION ISSUE. Do you understand that if believers in Christ INCLUDING BELIEVING Israel do NOT inherit ALL of the promises to Abraham in Christ,it forces UNBELIEVING Israel to make a CHOICE between the land and Christ,because if believers in Christ who are of Israel LOSE those promises,then they MUST make a choice between the land and Christ.