THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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ELECT

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popeye said:
WE do have a pretrib deliverance with lot. How does he fit a postrib scenario? And remember,postrib scenario needs a RETURN to the location of judgement seconds after the deliverance!!!
So,so,so impossible
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where doe s post trib say that return to the place of judgement ?
 
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PlainWord said:
Some so called "believers" even alter the message of salvation to go along with altering the correct order of when Christ returns. I don't recall any passage that tells us you must believe in the pre-trib rapture to be saved or even taken (assuming such a thing was real).

Romans 10:9


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Apparently the above path no longer works. We must now also believe in a man invented theory from 1830 to be saved.
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Apparently the above path no longer works. We must now also believe in a man invented theory from 1830 to be saved.
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Not trying to be ugly,but that is a debunked falsehood you got from man.
I thought you were a 'word only' person.

BTW,I do understand redemption quite well and it's non connection to end times doctrine.
You transposed the connection. I made none
The raptured saints are obviously saved. So are those left behind christians and heathens dying as martyrs
 
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PlainWord said:
The Mark of the Beast absolutely exists today and has been in existence for a very long time. They just aren't stopping people from buying and selling yet. This mark is the mark of Islam. The number 666 comes from an ancient symbol of 36 constellations all having gods named after them. If you add up the gods, 1-2-3-4, etc to 36 you get 666.



The above square is really a cube. Like this cube.



Muslims worship the exact same way that the Babylonians worshiped in Daniel's day.
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Where is this info?
Link?
 
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popeye

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ELECT said:
where doe s post trib say that return to the place of judgement ?
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Jesus returns postrib with his army on horses.(we agree here)
Postrib Rapture theory teaches that the raptured saints along with the dead in Christ rise and meet Jesus in the air,mount horses in the air,and return "uturn" style" with Jesus to the earth.(we would never see heaven)
Far fetched,but they defend it.
 
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PlainWord said:
The Mark of the Beast absolutely exists today and has been in existence for a very long time. They just aren't stopping people from buying and selling yet. This mark is the mark of Islam. The number 666 comes from an ancient symbol of 36 constellations all having gods named after them. If you add up the gods, 1-2-3-4, etc to 36 you get 666.



The above square is really a cube. Like this cube.



Muslims worship the exact same way that the Babylonians worshiped in Daniel's day.
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Rome impletes the mark not Islam
 
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ELECT

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popeye said:
Jesus returns postrib with his army on horses.(we agree here)
Postrib Rapture theory teaches that the raptured saints along with the dead in Christ rise and meet Jesus in the air,mount horses in the air,and return "uturn" style" with Jesus to the earth.(we would never see heaven)
Far fetched,but they defend it.
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I am post trib and the bible says this

Jesus returns to the earth on Mt olives in Jerusalem
While Jesus is coming down the saints from all over the world will be gathered by the holy angels and taken to Jerusalem and reign with Jesus 1000 years at Jerusalem no u turn
that where Jesus is there they will be on the earth
 
VCO

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ELECT said:
Are we going to be fruitful and multiply after acccording to your theory ?
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Elect, do you know you can find answer like that with the FREE software program, called: WORDsearch BASIC. The Basic program is all you need to access over 200 free Christian Books to add to your library. The KJV comes with the Basic program, but other free Bibles that you can download include YLT, ASV, BBE, GWT, and even the fairly NEW translation HCSB is FREE.
There are lots of Free old Christian Classics to choose from. Easton's Illustrated Bible Dictionary is FREE, Bible Land Map Set is FREE, and lots of other books and study helps. Here is the Website for the FREE software, and after you get the Basic Software installed, you can go back to the same page and click on FREE BOOKS, on the menu bar. https://www.wordsearchbible.com/basic

The program is extremely easy to learn how to use, because under Help on the menu bar of the WORDsearch Basic program, you will find a link to video tutorials that teach you every shortcut trick you use. It just took me about 15 seconds to find the answer to your question using my copy of WORDsearch. The Answer is NO.

Matthew 22:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven.

THAT need to repobulate the Earth, continue the EVERLASTING Covenant with ISRAEL, to continually possess the land of Canaan is the MAJOR reasons for the SEALING of the 144,000 from harm, in their Mortal bodies.
 
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PlainWord said:
VCO,

I am very familiar with your beliefs and teachings. It is what I was taught as a child. However, I reject this teaching because it simply is not scriptural. This view is not taught and 90% of it isn't even found anywhere in the Bible. This quick Rapture coming to the sky verse the slow return of Christ after the Tribulation for Armageddon is so full of holes that you could drive an ocean liner through it.

The actual teaching is that the "SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN" appears in heaven. Everyone sees this SIGN. This happens after the Tribulation. The wicked have time to run to caves and hide under rocks and beg for them to fall on them.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

When the Lord comes (the first and only time) He indeed touches down. Remember Acts 1, He comes back exactly the way He left with an escort of Angels (the Clouds of Heaven).

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, [SUP]11 [/SUP]who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Jesus started on the ground and was taken up and an escort of angels received Him. This was no regular cloud like you think. Regular clouds do not receive people and fly them off to heaven. Angels are dressed in white and obviously angels were present at the time as two stayed behind. So if this is how Christ left, it will be how He returns with this same "Cloud" or angelic army.


The believers left are gathered to Christ by who? Angels. So, Christ clearly returns with Angels and they are your cloud.

As for the lightening:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

His coming to the Jezreel Valley is lightening fast. This is Armageddon because of the reference to carcasses and eagles which agrees with Rev 19.

You have no passage about the Bride being taken to heaven. Sorry. We are just not going to agree on this.
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When the Lord comes (the first and only time) He indeed touches down. Remember Acts 1, He comes back exactly the way He left with an escort of Angels (the Clouds of Heaven).
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Uh,no horses,no conquering king ascending,no accompanying saints,no destroyed earth,no mark of the beast,

But we do have a picture of a solo lord with only his own in witness,with the rest of the world oblivious to what they saw.

Hmmmm,pretrib all the way.(or the angels were mistaken)
 
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ELECT said:
I am post trib and the bible says this

Jesus returns to the earth on Mt olives in Jerusalem
While Jesus is coming down the saints from all over the world will be gathered by the holy angels and taken to Jerusalem and reign with Jesus 1000 years at Jerusalem no u turn
that where Jesus is there they will be on the earth
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Factor in the white horses.
Postribs believe the saints mount riderless horses in the air.
 
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ELECT

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VCO said:
Elect, do you know you can find answer like that with the FREE software program, called: WORDsearch BASIC. The Basic program is all you need to access over 200 free Christian Books to add to your library. The KJV comes with the Basic program, but other free Bibles that you can download include YLT, ASV, BBE, GWT, and even the fairly NEW translation HCSB is FREE.
There are lots of Free old Christian Classics to choose from. Easton's Illustrated Bible Dictionary is FREE, Bible Land Map Set is FREE, and lots of other books and study helps. Here is the Website for the FREE software, and after you get the Basic Software installed, you can go back to the same page and click on FREE BOOKS, on the menu bar. https://www.wordsearchbible.com/basic

The program is extremely easy to learn how to use, because under Help on the menu bar of the WORDsearch Basic program, you will find a link to video tutorials that teach you every shortcut trick you use. It just took me about 15 seconds to find the answer to your question using my copy of WORDsearch. The Answer is NO.

Matthew 22:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven.

THAT need to repobulate the Earth, continue the EVERLASTING Covenant with ISRAEL, to continually possess the land of Canaan is the MAJOR reasons for the SEALING of the 144,000 from harm, in their Mortal bodies.
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i understand that the rapture is flawed
 
VCO

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ELECT said:
Noah ark was on the earth the ark represent Jesus not heaven
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NOAH's Ark represents that GOD is Faithful to getting HIS PEOPLE to a place of Safety, BEFORE HE POURS OUT HIS WRATH.

Since HE WILL POUR OUT HIS WRATH UPON THE WHOLE EARTH in the Tribulation, Our ARK, is NOT ON THIS EARTH, hence the New City Jerusalem in Heaven, is our Ark.
 
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VCO said:
NOAH's Ark represents that GOD is Faithful to getting HIS PEOPLE to a place of Safety, BEFORE HE POURS OUT HIS WRATH.

Since HE WILL POUR OUT HIS WRATH UPON THE WHOLE EARTH in the Tribulation, Our ARK, is NOT ON THIS EARTH, hence the New City Jerusalem in Heaven, is our Ark.
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the ark is Jesus we are to be in Him as Noah and they were in the ark to be saved ;)

Why wer they not taken into heaven and was protected right here on the earth ?
 
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ELECT said:
i understand that the rapture is flawed
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No it is NOT. AND GOD put it on my heart to show you were you can get FREE software Bible Study Tools, to better learn and understand the WORD OF GOD. If you reject them, you are on your own and accountable to GOD for your rejections of learning the TRUTH.
 
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VCO said:
No it is NOT. AND GOD put it on my heart to show you were you can get FREE software Bible Study Tools, to better learn and understand the WORD OF GOD. If you reject them, you are on your own and accountable to GOD for your rejections of learning the TRUTH.
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arent everyone God talk too here ? but God is a God of truth not lies like the rapture which was made for cowards

God rain stone in the time of Joshua not one touche an Israelite are you saying that God cannot do that again ?
 
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ELECT said:
the ark is Jesus we are to be in Him as Noah and they were in the ark to be saved ;)

Why were they not taken into heaven and was protected right here on the earth ?
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BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT HOW HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THINGS, APPARENTLY DO NOT MATTER TO GOD. HE IS THE SHOTCALLER, AND HE IS GOING TO DO THINGS HIS WAY, NOT YOUR WAY.
 
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VCO said:
BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT HOW HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THINGS, APPARENTLY DO NOT MATTER TO GOD. HE IS THE SHOTCALLER, AND HE IS GOING TO DO THINGS HIS WAY, NOT YOUR WAY.
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blah blah blah blah

is your record stick ok let me help you okay

Noah deliever on the earth
Lot deliever on the earth

the church delieverd on the earth

no plague shall come near thy dwelling you should read the pslam 91
 
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popeye

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ELECT said:
blah blah blah blah

is your record stick ok let me help you okay

Noah deliever on the earth
Lot deliever on the earth

the church delieverd on the earth

no plague shall come near thy dwelling you should read the pslam 91
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Ok,you are just trolling this thread.
Your last 20 posts are just combative conjecture.
We can all see that noah was delivered after the flood....not
 
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ELECT

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popeye said:
Ok,you are just trolling this thread.
Your last 20 posts are just combative conjecture.
We can all see that noah was delivered after the flood....not
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[h=1]Galatians 4:16King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
 
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