THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb
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I beleive the church will be "raptured" before the Tribulation/Great Tribulation/Time of Jacob's trouble; Ch 4 is a peek at God's throne. He is surrounded by 4 and 20 elders (who are identifeid as dressed in fine white raiment v4; casting thier crowns before the throne v10; CH 5 v9 singing a new song "redeemed us to God by thy out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation." identified as kings and priests Ch5 v10 (that applies only to Jesus, Melchizidec and us!!) The judgements start in Ch 6. We are God's beloved, not appointed to His Wrath or the wrath of the Lamb.
VCO,
I am very familiar with your beliefs and teachings. It is what I was taught as a child. However, I reject this teaching because it simply is not scriptural. This view is not taught and 90% of it isn't even found anywhere in the Bible. This quick Rapture coming to the sky verse the slow return of Christ after the Tribulation for Armageddon is so full of holes that you could drive an ocean liner through it.
The actual teaching is that the "SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN" appears in heaven. Everyone sees this SIGN. This happens after the Tribulation. The wicked have time to run to caves and hide under rocks and beg for them to fall on them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
When the Lord comes (the first and only time) He indeed touches down. Remember Acts 1, He comes back exactly the way He left with an escort of Angels (the Clouds of Heaven).
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, [SUP]11 [/SUP]who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Jesus started on the ground and was taken up and an escort of angels received Him. This was no regular cloud like you think. Regular clouds do not receive people and fly them off to heaven. Angels are dressed in white and obviously angels were present at the time as two stayed behind. So if this is how Christ left, it will be how He returns with this same "Cloud" or angelic army.
The believers left are gathered to Christ by who? Angels. So, Christ clearly returns with Angels and they are your cloud.
As for the lightening:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
His coming to the Jezreel Valley is lightening fast. This is Armageddon because of the reference to carcasses and eagles which agrees with Rev 19.
You have no passage about the Bride being taken to heaven. Sorry. We are just not going to agree on this.
I am very familiar with your beliefs and teachings. It is what I was taught as a child. However, I reject this teaching because it simply is not scriptural. This view is not taught and 90% of it isn't even found anywhere in the Bible. This quick Rapture coming to the sky verse the slow return of Christ after the Tribulation for Armageddon is so full of holes that you could drive an ocean liner through it.
The actual teaching is that the "SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN" appears in heaven. Everyone sees this SIGN. This happens after the Tribulation. The wicked have time to run to caves and hide under rocks and beg for them to fall on them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
When the Lord comes (the first and only time) He indeed touches down. Remember Acts 1, He comes back exactly the way He left with an escort of Angels (the Clouds of Heaven).
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, [SUP]11 [/SUP]who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Jesus started on the ground and was taken up and an escort of angels received Him. This was no regular cloud like you think. Regular clouds do not receive people and fly them off to heaven. Angels are dressed in white and obviously angels were present at the time as two stayed behind. So if this is how Christ left, it will be how He returns with this same "Cloud" or angelic army.
The believers left are gathered to Christ by who? Angels. So, Christ clearly returns with Angels and they are your cloud.
As for the lightening:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
His coming to the Jezreel Valley is lightening fast. This is Armageddon because of the reference to carcasses and eagles which agrees with Rev 19.
You have no passage about the Bride being taken to heaven. Sorry. We are just not going to agree on this.
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The Tribulation is about Israel and the Jews that's why Jesus Christ called it the time of Jacob's troubles. It is a judging of the world, specifically the nations that attack Israel. S you are saying that God pours out His wrath on the Bride of the Lamb???? Not exactly the way I'd expect my Bridegroom to treat me but if that is what you believe it's okay. I don't have to make you beleive like I do. We'll find out soon enough.
The Christian's citizenship is in Heaven. You reckon you could be a citizen of a city & never get to enter it? I can't imagine dead persons taken to Heaven. John 14 start appears to refer to the coming of Christ which is called a rapture in 1 Thes 4. Where do you think they go? Where is the Father's House with its many dwellings? "That where I am, there you may be also." Now if you exclude Christians from Heaven, don't you have to exclude Christ also from Heaven???
I not that you say some things, like "That's what the scriptures state," but you fail to quote. Where does the Bible spake of "Satan's Trib"? To what do you suppose the Day of the Lord refers? When the 6th seal comes, you don't think God's wrath is being poured out?
9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? . . . .
12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the whole moon became as blood; 13 and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind. 14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 for the great day of their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?
I not that you say some things, like "That's what the scriptures state," but you fail to quote. Where does the Bible spake of "Satan's Trib"? To what do you suppose the Day of the Lord refers? When the 6th seal comes, you don't think God's wrath is being poured out?
9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? . . . .
12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the whole moon became as blood; 13 and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind. 14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 for the great day of their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?
The Thread refers to calling the Bride, that is the Church, the Body of Christ, which began on Pentecost in Acts 2.
Now someone is going on about the Olivet Discourse. To be sure the Coming of Christ in the Olivet Discourse is post-tribulational. However you must note these facts:
1) There is no Rapture in the Olivet Discourse (no one is taken up to a meeting in the air with the Lord Jesus),
2) taken can mean taken in judgment,
3) there is no Church in the Olivet Discourse (just Israel & Gentile nations),
4) there are signs to be fulfilled in the Olivet Discourse before Christ comes,
but the Rapture is signless; as James say in Jas 5, the judge is at the doors (& now has been since James wrote that).
But however you figure it out,
beware of thinking Christ could not come tonight.
Let the coming of Christ be your constant expectation and blessed hope.
Now someone is going on about the Olivet Discourse. To be sure the Coming of Christ in the Olivet Discourse is post-tribulational. However you must note these facts:
1) There is no Rapture in the Olivet Discourse (no one is taken up to a meeting in the air with the Lord Jesus),
2) taken can mean taken in judgment,
3) there is no Church in the Olivet Discourse (just Israel & Gentile nations),
4) there are signs to be fulfilled in the Olivet Discourse before Christ comes,
but the Rapture is signless; as James say in Jas 5, the judge is at the doors (& now has been since James wrote that).
But however you figure it out,
beware of thinking Christ could not come tonight.
Let the coming of Christ be your constant expectation and blessed hope.
You don't even know your Bible:
Revelation 6:15-17 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ISV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 3:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Since we WILL BE kept from the Hour of Trial, and IT is coming upon that WHOLE WORLD, we have to be somewhere OTHER THAN ANYWHERE ON THE WHOLE WORLD, don't we?
John 14:3 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Please repent!
Revelation 6:15-17 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ISV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 3:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Since we WILL BE kept from the Hour of Trial, and IT is coming upon that WHOLE WORLD, we have to be somewhere OTHER THAN ANYWHERE ON THE WHOLE WORLD, don't we?
John 14:3 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Please repent!
Is there actually some scripture about
"[h=2]THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, [sic] to go to The Wedding of the Lamb"?[/h]
If there is, can you quote it?
Nothing like that comes to my mind.
I normally don't call attention to spelling, grammar, or mechanical issues in posts; we are not writing English essays here. But in modern English (as opposed to the ASV for example of 1901), infinitive phrases are not set off by commas. Above there is a comma between BRIDE and to. I assume that no comma of standard grammar was meant?
The OP I take it indicates that there is this calling which has the purpose of going to the wedding, not 2 subjects:
1) calling and
2) to go.
"[h=2]THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, [sic] to go to The Wedding of the Lamb"?[/h]
If there is, can you quote it?
Nothing like that comes to my mind.
I normally don't call attention to spelling, grammar, or mechanical issues in posts; we are not writing English essays here. But in modern English (as opposed to the ASV for example of 1901), infinitive phrases are not set off by commas. Above there is a comma between BRIDE and to. I assume that no comma of standard grammar was meant?
The OP I take it indicates that there is this calling which has the purpose of going to the wedding, not 2 subjects:
1) calling and
2) to go.
Isaiah 61:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I will greatly rejoice in Jehovah, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with a garland, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride,so your God will rejoice over you.
The Birthday of the CHURCH is not the Birthday of the BRIDE.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Nehemiah 13:1 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that an Ammonite and a Moabite should not enter into the assembly of God for ever,
John 10:16 (ISV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must lead these also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I will greatly rejoice in Jehovah, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with a garland, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride,so your God will rejoice over you.
The Birthday of the CHURCH is not the Birthday of the BRIDE.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Nehemiah 13:1 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that an Ammonite and a Moabite should not enter into the assembly of God for ever,
John 10:16 (ISV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must lead these also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock and one shepherd.
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I think the Bride of Christ is the Church. She is presented as a chaste, virgin Bride. Israel in the OT is often referred to as the wife of YHWH, but divorced or widowed (in contrast to Babylon who brags she is a queen and no widow) The promises/Covenant to Isreal will be fulfilled when Jesus reigns in Jerusalem. I can quote scripture to support my view if questioned. 
The more you response the more your story become false:
Your first response relating to the HS...
THe Holy spirit was taken away...
Your second response:
The Holy spirit will baptise those who view the tapes you mentioned...
How can the Holy spirit baptise them if He was taken away????
also, where did the two witnesses got their powers????
Your first response relating to the HS...
THe Holy spirit was taken away...
Your second response:
The Holy spirit will baptise those who view the tapes you mentioned...
How can the Holy spirit baptise them if He was taken away????
also, where did the two witnesses got their powers????
If you study the use of the word, "Tribulation(s)" in the Bible, it is used 32 times with 30 of them in the NT. in 31 of the 32 cases, "tribulation(s)" is used to describe testing, trouble, persecution and/or death of the Righteous at the hands of the Wicked. There is only one instance where Tribulation is used to describe GOD repaying the wicked with Tribulation and that is in direct response to Tribulation that the wicked was first doing to His people.
It is REALLY important for people to understand and study the Word in depth so that they know definitions and how words are used. Words have meanings and not knowing what words mean, one can easily misinterpret things.
Tribulation = testing, trouble, persecution and even death of the Righteous at the hands of the Wicked
Great Tribulation = Tribulation on steroids
If you read Matthew 24 and Mark 13 you see that God's people are suffering Great Tribulation and there would be no flesh alive if "those days were not shortened" specifically for the ELECT. You are correct, God is NOT subjecting His People to Tribulation, Satan is and if God doesn't shorten those days, Satan will kill us all.
As for God's Wrath it is specifically poured out against the BEAST (ISLAM) and his throne as we are specifically told in Rev 6:16-17, Rev 16:2, 6, 9, 10. God's wrath is REPAYING the wicked who were first tormenting and killing God's people which is plainly taught in Rev 6:10-11, Rev 18:6, Luke 18:7-8, 2 Thes 1:6-7, etc.
Obviously, God will not subject the righteous to His Wrath. Nobody is saying that. You think that because you have been led to believe all these years that the Great Tribulation is God's Wrath when it isn't; it is Satan's Wrath and we are TOLD THIS CLEARLY:
Rev 12:12: Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Woe to what??? The EARTH and the SEA!! What do the Trumpets affect?? THE EARTH and the SEA!!
I am amazed by the number of Christians who make the argument that the Bride would never be subjected to Tribulation. How could God allow The Church, the Body of Christ, to endure suffering, you ask? My response to this is, "Did the actual Body of Christ endure suffering at the hand of evil?" Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, is it taught that the Church is going to be raptured off to heaven all pristine without suffering!!! Quite the opposite is taught.
We are specifically told that we will be hated by all nations for His name sake. We are told we will be beaten, jailed and put to death. We are told that "through much tribulation, we enter the Kingdom of God." We are shown a Great Multitude in Heaven from all Nations who will killed in the Great Tribulation. Yet believers seem to think that the Church which is on earth at the very end is somehow exempt from Satan's tribulation while they ignore 2,000 years of history. I am really shocked at the complete lack of understand of so many of my brothers and sisters.
Wolves have entered churches and spread false doctrines such as this Pre-Trib Rapture. Churches have become complacent not caring or worrying about their religious freedoms being under attack and watching the moral decline all around them while living under the false premise that they are going to fly away and not have to deal with any of the really bad stuff. Sorry, I don't mean to vent specifically at you sister but unbelievable hardship is coming our way and it isn't just Israel who will endure it as we are told below. This hardship lasts until the Lord comes and stops it. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Rev 12: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 13: [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Dan 7: [SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came...
Mat 24: [SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
ISLAM is the BEAST, it is ISLAM who is killing the Saints now, Christians and Jews alike, and they are only getting started. It is about to go Global. DO NOT DOUBT ME ON THIS!!
It is REALLY important for people to understand and study the Word in depth so that they know definitions and how words are used. Words have meanings and not knowing what words mean, one can easily misinterpret things.
Tribulation = testing, trouble, persecution and even death of the Righteous at the hands of the Wicked
Great Tribulation = Tribulation on steroids
If you read Matthew 24 and Mark 13 you see that God's people are suffering Great Tribulation and there would be no flesh alive if "those days were not shortened" specifically for the ELECT. You are correct, God is NOT subjecting His People to Tribulation, Satan is and if God doesn't shorten those days, Satan will kill us all.
As for God's Wrath it is specifically poured out against the BEAST (ISLAM) and his throne as we are specifically told in Rev 6:16-17, Rev 16:2, 6, 9, 10. God's wrath is REPAYING the wicked who were first tormenting and killing God's people which is plainly taught in Rev 6:10-11, Rev 18:6, Luke 18:7-8, 2 Thes 1:6-7, etc.
Obviously, God will not subject the righteous to His Wrath. Nobody is saying that. You think that because you have been led to believe all these years that the Great Tribulation is God's Wrath when it isn't; it is Satan's Wrath and we are TOLD THIS CLEARLY:
Rev 12:12: Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Woe to what??? The EARTH and the SEA!! What do the Trumpets affect?? THE EARTH and the SEA!!
I am amazed by the number of Christians who make the argument that the Bride would never be subjected to Tribulation. How could God allow The Church, the Body of Christ, to endure suffering, you ask? My response to this is, "Did the actual Body of Christ endure suffering at the hand of evil?" Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, is it taught that the Church is going to be raptured off to heaven all pristine without suffering!!! Quite the opposite is taught.
We are specifically told that we will be hated by all nations for His name sake. We are told we will be beaten, jailed and put to death. We are told that "through much tribulation, we enter the Kingdom of God." We are shown a Great Multitude in Heaven from all Nations who will killed in the Great Tribulation. Yet believers seem to think that the Church which is on earth at the very end is somehow exempt from Satan's tribulation while they ignore 2,000 years of history. I am really shocked at the complete lack of understand of so many of my brothers and sisters.
Wolves have entered churches and spread false doctrines such as this Pre-Trib Rapture. Churches have become complacent not caring or worrying about their religious freedoms being under attack and watching the moral decline all around them while living under the false premise that they are going to fly away and not have to deal with any of the really bad stuff. Sorry, I don't mean to vent specifically at you sister but unbelievable hardship is coming our way and it isn't just Israel who will endure it as we are told below. This hardship lasts until the Lord comes and stops it. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Rev 12: [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 13: [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Dan 7: [SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came...
Mat 24: [SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
ISLAM is the BEAST, it is ISLAM who is killing the Saints now, Christians and Jews alike, and they are only getting started. It is about to go Global. DO NOT DOUBT ME ON THIS!!
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I do, see post #217.
Here's a simplified version. Let's start with Rev 12:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Who is the above warning going out to? The Inhabitants of the earth and sea, right? Who has great wrath? If you can't see this, I can't help you.
Can we logically conclude that the devil intends to harm the inhabitants of the earth and sea? Is that a safe conclusion???
Now look at Rev 7: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, [SUP]3 [/SUP]saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
God has given the command to wait. DO NOT HARM THE EARTH and SEA until the SERVANTS of GOD are SEALED (the 144,000). Oh my, I guess the SERVANTS OF GOD are on earth subject to Satan's Wrath and not raptured. Once sealed, Satan is allowed to harm the EARTH and SEA. God allows it as He allows everything and often uses the wicked to do the harming (example, Babylon, Assyria, Rome, etc). Okay, now we see Satan going after the EARTH and SEA.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Now you need to find out what is represented by the EARTH and SEA.
...And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon...
Revelation is filled with spiritual symbolism. If you do not understand this and read things literally, you might end up believing in some fly away doctrine thinking the whole world is coming to an end. The whole world doesn't come to an end, at least not yet. The whole world (as we know it) seems completely normal to those doing the persecuting and killing of Saints. The wicked, led by Islam, are doing the works of Satan totally ho hum, brain washed and happy right up until the Son of Man returns.
Mat 24: [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
2 Peter 3: [SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
Here's a simplified version. Let's start with Rev 12:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Who is the above warning going out to? The Inhabitants of the earth and sea, right? Who has great wrath? If you can't see this, I can't help you.
Can we logically conclude that the devil intends to harm the inhabitants of the earth and sea? Is that a safe conclusion???
Now look at Rev 7: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, [SUP]3 [/SUP]saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
God has given the command to wait. DO NOT HARM THE EARTH and SEA until the SERVANTS of GOD are SEALED (the 144,000). Oh my, I guess the SERVANTS OF GOD are on earth subject to Satan's Wrath and not raptured. Once sealed, Satan is allowed to harm the EARTH and SEA. God allows it as He allows everything and often uses the wicked to do the harming (example, Babylon, Assyria, Rome, etc). Okay, now we see Satan going after the EARTH and SEA.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Now you need to find out what is represented by the EARTH and SEA.
...And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon...
Revelation is filled with spiritual symbolism. If you do not understand this and read things literally, you might end up believing in some fly away doctrine thinking the whole world is coming to an end. The whole world doesn't come to an end, at least not yet. The whole world (as we know it) seems completely normal to those doing the persecuting and killing of Saints. The wicked, led by Islam, are doing the works of Satan totally ho hum, brain washed and happy right up until the Son of Man returns.
Mat 24: [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
2 Peter 3: [SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
How can you make such a statement and say the Bible says this? Where does the Bible say that the Wedding of the Lamb is before the AntiChrist appears??? UNBELIEVABLE ASSUMPTIONS and OPINION. Revelation 19 which contains the topic of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb is clearly AFTER Babylon has fallen. Babylon (MECCA) falls towards the end of the Great Tribulation. I'm pretty sure the "AntiChrist" as you call him, appears before Babylon falls.
If you think the HS is telling you this, I'd be very concerned that maybe it's a different spirit filling your head with lies. That is why it is so important to put on the WHOLE ARMOUR of GOD girded with TRUTH.
If you think the HS is telling you this, I'd be very concerned that maybe it's a different spirit filling your head with lies. That is why it is so important to put on the WHOLE ARMOUR of GOD girded with TRUTH.
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The HOLY SPIRIT speaks to my spiritual mind in my heart, giving me understanding. If you are not born again, you will think this is pure foolishness.
That Seven year Peace Treaty that Antichrist signs with Israel, WILL be Seven Years to the Day, AND it will be ALL OVER CNN, thus we know what day it ENDS blowing the Post Trib theory, And we know what day will be three and a half years into it, blowing the Mid-Trib Theory. The Holy Spirit in us HOLD Antichrist back from coming to full power, to even have the Authority to sign such a Peace Treaty, and it says the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way, PRIOR TO ANTICHRIST COMING TO THE POWER HE CRAVES, MEANING we have to go with HIM because Christ promised that the Holy Spirit would ALWAYS BE WITH US. AND AS IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH Christ verbally told us it was GOING TO BE PRE-TRIB when He said:
Matthew 25:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 "[/SUP]Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."
IF IT WAS NOT PRE-TRIB, NO ONE WOULD HAVE TO START WATCHING UNTIL AFTER THE ANTICHRIST SIGNS THE PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL!
THESE ARE WEEKS OF YEARS, in this Prophecy pertaining the remaining History of ISRAEL:
Daniel 9:24-27 (ASV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off {Jesus said "My Hour has not yet come."; clearly indicating HE KNEW the Day and the Hour this DECREE was first spoken or written.}, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week{The "many" refers to a Peace Treaty arranged by the Antichrist with Israel and her Enemies, permitting Israel to build the Third Temple.}: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
That Seventieth Week of Daniel is set apart from the Seven Weeks to rebuild the Temple and Jerusalem; and the Sixty Two Weeks of Years until Jesus Christ went to the Cross. It is set apart, because the CHURCH-AGE is between the 69th Week of Years and the 70th Week of Years.
Daniel 8:17 (ASV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So he came near where I stood; and when he came, I was affrighted, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man; for the vision belongeth to the time of the end.
Daniel 8:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation; for it belongeth to the appointed time of the end.
Daniel 12:4 (ASV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
It is NOW TIME TO UNDERSTAND THESE PROPHECIES!
That Seven year Peace Treaty that Antichrist signs with Israel, WILL be Seven Years to the Day, AND it will be ALL OVER CNN, thus we know what day it ENDS blowing the Post Trib theory, And we know what day will be three and a half years into it, blowing the Mid-Trib Theory. The Holy Spirit in us HOLD Antichrist back from coming to full power, to even have the Authority to sign such a Peace Treaty, and it says the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way, PRIOR TO ANTICHRIST COMING TO THE POWER HE CRAVES, MEANING we have to go with HIM because Christ promised that the Holy Spirit would ALWAYS BE WITH US. AND AS IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH Christ verbally told us it was GOING TO BE PRE-TRIB when He said:
Matthew 25:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 "[/SUP]Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."
IF IT WAS NOT PRE-TRIB, NO ONE WOULD HAVE TO START WATCHING UNTIL AFTER THE ANTICHRIST SIGNS THE PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL!
THESE ARE WEEKS OF YEARS, in this Prophecy pertaining the remaining History of ISRAEL:
Daniel 9:24-27 (ASV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off {Jesus said "My Hour has not yet come."; clearly indicating HE KNEW the Day and the Hour this DECREE was first spoken or written.}, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week{The "many" refers to a Peace Treaty arranged by the Antichrist with Israel and her Enemies, permitting Israel to build the Third Temple.}: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
That Seventieth Week of Daniel is set apart from the Seven Weeks to rebuild the Temple and Jerusalem; and the Sixty Two Weeks of Years until Jesus Christ went to the Cross. It is set apart, because the CHURCH-AGE is between the 69th Week of Years and the 70th Week of Years.
Daniel 8:17 (ASV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So he came near where I stood; and when he came, I was affrighted, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man; for the vision belongeth to the time of the end.
Daniel 8:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation; for it belongeth to the appointed time of the end.
Daniel 12:4 (ASV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
It is NOW TIME TO UNDERSTAND THESE PROPHECIES!
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