If Man Has No Role In His Own Salvation......
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Dude your a joke....you have consistently ignored verses in context that teach faith and grace based salvation, you have twisted words, rejected definitions, denied context and pushed your heretical fallacies....many have given you hundreds of verses in context which you ignore to push yourself, your works and your water which all stem from your Campbellite doctrine....so....keep believing in yourself and your abilities and according to Galatians you will not make the proverbial gates of heaven as the gospel you teach is a gospel of a different kind with no power to save and is double cursed to hell....
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.....go ahead and add words to this, add works to this and you will see in the end as you will be found within the group that brags and boasts of their works and their right to enter as Jesus will tell you that he never knew you.....maybe your father Alex can come and argue his Campbellite doctrine for you!
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.....go ahead and add words to this, add works to this and you will see in the end as you will be found within the group that brags and boasts of their works and their right to enter as Jesus will tell you that he never knew you.....maybe your father Alex can come and argue his Campbellite doctrine for you!
I didn't avoid anything, but rather put it in it's proper order.....salvation is something that is present when Paul writes to SAVED, IMMERSED CHURCH MEMBERS of the Philippian CHURCH and tells the to FIT OUT their salvation that they presently already have.
Your blindness is amazing.....for sure and your ability to understand scriptures!
Your blindness is amazing.....for sure and your ability to understand scriptures!
There is nothing I ignored in your post:
1) you failed again to show that elusive verse where Jesus said believe only in my finished work and thou shalt be saved.
2) it was too obvious that you avoided the verses in which Jesus made repentance, confession and baptism necessary to salvation. What reason do you have for ignoring those verses?
3) you show you do not understand the difference in doing God's righteousness that saves Rom 10:3 and man doing his own righteousness/works of merit that do not save, Tts 3:5. What reason do you not want to make this distinction?
1) you failed again to show that elusive verse where Jesus said believe only in my finished work and thou shalt be saved.
2) it was too obvious that you avoided the verses in which Jesus made repentance, confession and baptism necessary to salvation. What reason do you have for ignoring those verses?
3) you show you do not understand the difference in doing God's righteousness that saves Rom 10:3 and man doing his own righteousness/works of merit that do not save, Tts 3:5. What reason do you not want to make this distinction?
The type of works determines whether one was saved or not. That is the point. What is the root of the matter? - Faith. What is the fruit of the matter? - Works. Once again, patient continuance in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality; notice that ALL who receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does good (vs. 10). Verse 8 - but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath. Notice that ALL who do not receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does evil (vs. 9). See the connection? That's why Paul said "will render to each one according to his deeds" (vs. 6) because good deeds flow from a heart that is saved and evil deeds flow from a heart that is unsaved. You missed the point and assumed Paul meant salvation by works.
One obeys the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16) then one is justified by faith (Romans 5:1). James is not using the word "justified" in verse 24 to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). Works bear out the justification that already came by faith (Romans 5:1). You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.
This is descriptive of unbelievers no matter how religious they think they are. Refusing to believe the gospel amounts to disobedience and unrighteousness.
One obeys unrighteousness BECAUSE he is lost, not to become lost.
One practices righteousness BECAUSE he is saved, not to become saved. You have it backwards.
This is descriptive of believers. These deeds flow from a heart that is saved. That is the point that you keep missing. Notice that ALL who will be saved are described as such EVERYONE WHO DOES GOOD and everyone who will not be saved is described as such EVERYONE WHO DOES EVIL. Are you seeing the light yet?
It's not the means. Faith is the means. We are saved through faith, not works. Do unbelievers who are lost or believers who are saved continue in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality? We have not received our immortal bodies yet, but believers are saved now.
I say eternal life but I understand that this is descriptive of saved believers, not lost unbelievers. You make it sound like lost unbelievers are accomplishing all of this in an effort to be saved by works.
I understand the contrast and description between saved believers (everyone who does good) and lost unbelievers (everyone who does evil).
Disobedient believers is an oxymoron just as obedient unbelievers is an oxymoron. Saved believers = everyone who does evil is an oxymoron just as lost unbelievers = everyone who does good is an oxymoron. Righteousness is accounted through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6). You seem determined to continue to reject the truth and promote your "works based" false gospel. Thomas and Alexander Campbell would have been very proud of their disciple!
One obeys the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16) then one is justified by faith (Romans 5:1). James is not using the word "justified" in verse 24 to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). Works bear out the justification that already came by faith (Romans 5:1). You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.
This is descriptive of unbelievers no matter how religious they think they are. Refusing to believe the gospel amounts to disobedience and unrighteousness.
One obeys unrighteousness BECAUSE he is lost, not to become lost.
One practices righteousness BECAUSE he is saved, not to become saved. You have it backwards.
This is descriptive of believers. These deeds flow from a heart that is saved. That is the point that you keep missing. Notice that ALL who will be saved are described as such EVERYONE WHO DOES GOOD and everyone who will not be saved is described as such EVERYONE WHO DOES EVIL. Are you seeing the light yet?
It's not the means. Faith is the means. We are saved through faith, not works. Do unbelievers who are lost or believers who are saved continue in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality? We have not received our immortal bodies yet, but believers are saved now.
I say eternal life but I understand that this is descriptive of saved believers, not lost unbelievers. You make it sound like lost unbelievers are accomplishing all of this in an effort to be saved by works.
I understand the contrast and description between saved believers (everyone who does good) and lost unbelievers (everyone who does evil).
Disobedient believers is an oxymoron just as obedient unbelievers is an oxymoron. Saved believers = everyone who does evil is an oxymoron just as lost unbelievers = everyone who does good is an oxymoron. Righteousness is accounted through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6). You seem determined to continue to reject the truth and promote your "works based" false gospel. Thomas and Alexander Campbell would have been very proud of their disciple!
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Again your ignorance is obvious as the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD dia CHRIST is applied unto all that genuinely believe (Romans 3:21-28) without WOKS or the deeds of the LAW....so like your daddy CAIN...you trust into yourself and your works which will never get you to heaven and or into the Kingdom of God......I suggest Hebrews 4:1-4 and how the WORKS WERE FINISHED from the FOUNDATION of the earth and FAITH mixed with word preached=entrance into the rest of GOD!
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BY grace are you saved dia faith
Believe and thou shalt be saved
It pleased God to save those who BELIEVE
NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we HAVE DONE but according to HIS MERCY has HE SAVED US
1) No mention of Lk 13:3,5? No mention of Mt 10:32,33? No mention of Mk 16:16?
2) You do not understand "not by works of righteousness we have done" refers to works of merit and not obedience to God's righteousness.
Paul said the Jews were lost for they would not submit-obey the righteousness of God Rom 10:3. So you did not make the distinction between doing GOD'S righteousness that saves and doing one's own righteousness that does not save. You do not make this distinction for a) it shows faith only will not save b) so you can keep misusing it.
3) You continue to ignore that word "WORK"....."WORK out your ow salvation" with the implication;
no works = no salvation
No, what I understand that you are blind to is the fact that the Philippians are CALLED saints in verse ONE chapter one and identified with DEACONS and BISHOPS as they are CHURCH members and CANNOT be church members unless they are already SAVED much less called SAINTS.....so again you twist scripture and the meaning of scripture and the verses I quote to teach your lies....good luck with your daddies Alexander and Satan......for both were false teachers, liars and twisted the word of God to fit their heretical doctrines....!
Not to mention that your twist of works of righteousness into works of merit is a joke and plain ignorant....a work of righteousness is exactly that...any work that can be considered RIGHT...wake up dude before you find yourself in a very hot location with no water!
Not to mention that your twist of works of righteousness into works of merit is a joke and plain ignorant....a work of righteousness is exactly that...any work that can be considered RIGHT...wake up dude before you find yourself in a very hot location with no water!
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Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
The greatest commandment given to follow, then our Lord also said this;
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He makes it clear that those who obey the greatest commandment will obey all that He taught/commanded, and states it in the great commission.
Matthew 28:16-20
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Now we see that those that are His true followers, and believe in Him will do the things He commanded.
Now the question you must ask yourself is this;
Did Jesus command repentance ? ( Luke 13:3 )
Did Jesus command confession ? ( Matthew 10:32-33, Luke 12:8-9 )
Did Jesus command baptism ? ( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16 )
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
The greatest commandment given to follow, then our Lord also said this;
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He makes it clear that those who obey the greatest commandment will obey all that He taught/commanded, and states it in the great commission.
Matthew 28:16-20
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Now we see that those that are His true followers, and believe in Him will do the things He commanded.
Now the question you must ask yourself is this;
Did Jesus command repentance ? ( Luke 13:3 )
Did Jesus command confession ? ( Matthew 10:32-33, Luke 12:8-9 )
Did Jesus command baptism ? ( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16 )
You posted "The type of works determines whether one was saved or not. That is the point."
That is the point..WORKS determine if one will be saved or not.
Faith only and what is in one's heart is not what Paul is talking about but what one DOES, his actions determines if he will be saved or not.
The contrasts Paul makes between saved and lost:
lost = obey unrighteousness, obey not the truth, does evil.
saved = obeys righteousness, obeys the truth, does good.
Paul made being saved or lost about what a person DOES (obedience or lack thereof) not what a person thinks or feels (faith only)
James said by works a man is justified. James is showing WORKS is the cause of the justification. James did not say one is first justified then does works for that is a complete rewrite of what he said. And Paul put obeying from the heart BEFORE freed from sin/justified. It is a complete rewrite of the bible to say one is first justified for no particular reason then does works.
You posted "One practices righteousness BECAUSE he is saved, not to become saved."
Yet the bible says otherwise for again, 1 Jn 3:10 John says he that CONTINUES to NOT do righteousness CONTINUES to NOT be of God.
The implication of John's words make it IMPOSSIBLE for one to be of God without ever first doing righteousness. Try as you might you can never make a righteous person out of one who continues to do unrighteousness. Contrary to faith only doctrine a man must first do righteous works to be righteous.
Paul in Rom 2:6 did not have a category for one who believes but does no works for Paul did not have God rendering to every man according to unbelief or belief only but according to one's DEEDS - WORKS
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Also you must mention does our Lord Jesus put endurance before saved, or after saved ?
Matthew 24:10-13
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Mark 13:9-13
“But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them. And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations. And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Then you many comments from Paul that most want to go by over any other scriptures in the bible, so I will give one that Paul said;
Romans 10:10
For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Psa 119:172 "... for all thy commandments are righteousness."
Rom 3:10 ..have not submitted unto the righteousness of God"
God's commands are righteousness. Rom 10:3 the Jews were lost for they would not submit/obey the commandments of God.
So those that work to obey God's commands are the ones that are saved and nowhere did God command "belief only" to be saved.
Instead of working to obey God's commands the Jews went "about to establish their own righteousness"...not GOD'S righteousness but THEIR OWN.
There is a stark contrast made in Rom 10:3 between TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORKS:
1) going about to establish their own righteousness > works of merit > will not save
2) submit to God's righteousness > obedience to God's commands > does save
So it is pure straw man to falsely claim for me that I am trust my own works or doing my own righteousness (works of merit) as those Jewes to be saved. I am doing GOD'S righteousness and not my own when I believed, repented, confessed and submitted to baptism as God said to.
But you will purposely refuse to see the difference in these two different works in Rom 3:10 for you still want to continue to falsely claim for me that I "trust into yourself and your works" for you have no other valid argument to make.
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Can you give honest evidence of your works that save you and that you keep them all without interruption bass?
I doubt that you can
And if not .... then what do you do?
Is one saved by grace through faith alone .... or do you have to be re-saved over and over again because in your law keep you will constantly fail .... guaranteed, you do and will .... try as you must
I doubt that you can
And if not .... then what do you do?
Is one saved by grace through faith alone .... or do you have to be re-saved over and over again because in your law keep you will constantly fail .... guaranteed, you do and will .... try as you must
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Works are proof that one is saved.
No works, or only producing bad works shows lack of faith or no faith at all.
Jesus makes it clear that until one repents of their sins they are not saved, but still will parish. There are things that our Lord Jesus clearly states that those who believe in Him will do, and kind of works that will follow a believer.
Hince means that if those things He said are not part of your life, then you are not His and not saved. Rather you say you believe in Him or not.
Remember He said that not all that call Him Lord Lord will be welcomed into the kingdom of heaven.