Cains flippant answer. Maybe not so flippant after all

[SolidGround]

Nothing, Cain was not correct in using that amount of force, but neither did God find fault in Cain for protecting his property from Able grazing his livestock in Cain's field.

????
So now Cain's motive has changed from jealousy to self-preservation?

Where do you pull this out of?

Just read your Bible. Stop pulling random verses together before you have any clue what the Book says.

The things you are saying sound like someone reading parts of different Shakespeare plays and mashing them together. Read it as a whole.

 

[Zmouth]

The Mosaic Law came later but yes, murder considered a horrible crime.

So are you saying the Word of God is not eternal, meaning it always has been, is and will always be the same.

I thought God was God before the Mosaic Law. Jesus said I am was before Abraham too.

 

[Tintin]

Nothing, Cain was not correct in using that amount of force, but neither did God find fault in Cain for protecting his property from Able grazing his livestock in Cain's field.

What on earth? I've seen Christians extrapolate on the Bible, but they work from what's there, not what isn't there. That's called unfounded speculation and it doesn't help anyone.

 

[Zmouth]

????
So now Cain's motive has changed from jealousy to self-preservation?

Where do you pull this out of?

Just read your Bible. Stop pulling random verses together before you have any clue what the Book says.

The things you are saying sound like someone reading parts of different Shakespeare plays and mashing them together. Read it as a whole.

Ok lets start with Matthew 4:4, so was Able in Cain's field?

 

[Timeline]

Matt 4:1-4
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”

 

[SolidGround]

Ok lets start with Matthew 4:4, so was Able in Cain's field?

It matters not, nor does the Word say.

ty for a pathetic attempt at trolling. Work on it.
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[Zmouth]

What on earth? I've seen Christians extrapolate on the Bible, but they work from what's there, not what isn't there. That's called unfounded speculation and it doesn't help anyone.

Let's see, Cain was cursed with a wife then? Cain went and built a City. Of course it doesn't help the cause of those who want to put man under the depotism of the Church of man that has absolute ownership of property and man.

That is what you believe right? that the Bible is the infallible Word of God that has absolute authority over man.



And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Gen 4:17

 

[Zmouth]

It matters not, nor does the Word say.

ty for a pathetic attempt at trolling. Work on it.
user ignored.

"It is error only, not truth that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine

But I promise that I will not throw you in fire to burn alive simply because you do not agree with me, or in fact for anything.

I would do anything I could to prevent it from happening to you, but can you say the same?

 

[Timeline]

Gen 4:1-15
Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, “I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord.” [SUP]2 [/SUP]Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the Lord of the fruit of the ground. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and for his offering; [SUP]5 [/SUP]but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? [SUP]7 [/SUP]If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” And he said, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?” [SUP]10 [/SUP]He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. [SUP]12 [/SUP]When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is too great to bear! [SUP]14 [/SUP]Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]So the Lord said to him, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.

There is nothing to suggest poor judgment on Abel's part. We don't know that this was Cain's field. And, if it was, Abel could have been helping Cain. Or maybe there was a river or well that was there between the "farm" and the "pasture".

Just speculations.

 

[Zmouth]

I am very good at smelling a rat.

Ahh, the gift of smell. I hear that when one loses senses, like seeing and hearing, their other senses become more perceptive.

 

[Ella85]

Ahh, the gift of smell. I hear that when one loses senses, like seeing and hearing, their other senses become more perceptive.

Only one who is born of the spirit can understand the word of God.

All my senses are working perfectly fine, as I am totally in tune with the spirit.

I do not question or argue with the Almighty God.

I can say that you on the other hand have been blinded to the truth, and wish to twist scripture to fit your theory.

You cannot argue with God.
You will never win.

 

[Zmouth]

If you born of the Spirit and the Word you wouldn't be a mutation of evolution but a child of the Holy Ghost.

I mean you do know that a man and his wife shall be one flesh, right?

Mark 10:6-9
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.




And that a male and female are both man.

Gen 5:1-2
5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



And that the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost are one right?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

You cannot argue with God.
You will never win.

You don't really believe that, now do you...

 

[Tintin]

Let's see, Cain was cursed with a wife then? Cain went and built a City. Of course it doesn't help the cause of those who want to put man under the depotism of the Church of man that has absolute ownership of property and man.

That is what you believe right? that the Bible is the infallible Word of God that has absolute authority over man.



And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Gen 4:17

You're a confusing individual and I don't know where you're pulling all of these nonsense claims from. Cain made love to his wife, she gave birth to Enoch. Cain built the city and named it after his son, Enoch. Reading between the lines, one can deduce that Cain took his wife with him when he was effectively banished and set to wander. But he defied God by building the very first city. A self-sustained settlement doesn't require full reliance on God, trusting Him fully. It was one big step to pushing God out of the picture of life.

 

[Tintin]

If you born of the Spirit and the Word you wouldn't be a mutation of evolution but a child of the Holy Ghost.

I mean you do know that a man and his wife shall be one flesh, right?

Mark 10:6-9
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.




And that a male and female are both man.

Gen 5:1-2
5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.



And that the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost are one right?

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.




You don't really believe that, now do you...

Yes, well it's a good thing that evolution is a load of crap then, isn't it?
Also, yes, of course a husband and wife become one flesh when married, it's called making love. It's a covenant practice originally designed for marriage. God knew what He was doing when He created such rules.

 

[Zmouth]

Yes, well it's a good thing that evolution is a load of crap then, isn't it?

Jesus says all things are possible to them that believe, as a believer why do claim evolution is not true? Because you believe it didn't.

Is not the Gospel, 1 Thess 5:21 " Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

lso, yes, of course a husband and wife become one flesh when married, it's called making love.

That is a carnal interpretation that the marriage covenant is just about fornication.

 

[Agricola]

Maybe Granpa thinks that its to do with being a goal keeper and that he did not want to be a Goal Keeper.

 

[Tintin]

Jesus says all things are possible to them that believe, as a believer why do claim evolution is not true? Because you believe it didn't.

Is not the Gospel, 1 Thess 5:21 " Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."






That is a carnal interpretation that the marriage covenant is just about fornication.

I don't like the way you weild the Bible. You don't have a clue what you're talking about or where to point that thing! Very dangerous.

 

[Tintin]

Jesus says all things are possible to them that believe, as a believer why do claim evolution is not true? Because you believe it didn't.

Is not the Gospel, 1 Thess 5:21 " Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."





That is a carnal interpretation that the marriage covenant is just about fornication.

Now you're redefining 'fornication'? Oi vey! You have to be in this for shirts and giggles. No-one is this stupid.

 

[granpa]

in English the word keeper suggests protector but evidently in Hebrew and certainly in the Greek the word has connotations of prison guard

 

[BradC]

How do you know with absolute certainty, where was Adam? which according to Christians already had a sin record.

Who was the witness that saw Cain slay Able?

If God says life shall go for life, why did God violate his own rule?

The witness was the blood of Abel that cried out from the ground (Gen 4:10, 1 John 5:8).