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Just curious, but why would someone, like you it seems, that doesn't believe in the bible, be in a bible forum?
To believe in cavemen you have to believe they are man's ancestors. That is what the people say that claim there was cavemen. The bible says God created man is His image. Surely you aren't saying that God's looks has changed thru the years.
To believe in cavemen you have to believe they are man's ancestors. That is what the people say that claim there was cavemen. The bible says God created man is His image. Surely you aren't saying that God's looks has changed thru the years.
I was invited to correct some basic errors of fact young earth creationists were claiming to be true. In fact, I believe the Bible to large extent. Much more than the "minimalists" and much less than the bibledolators.
What? Did God have curly black hair, or straight blond hair? I guess he is uncircumcised too.
There is a quote from Ecclesiastes that I think says all that is needed about the phycial nature of humanity, (3:18-20) If the connection of humanity to the Divine is merely meat, then there is no connection.
What? Did God have curly black hair, or straight blond hair? I guess he is uncircumcised too.
There is a quote from Ecclesiastes that I think says all that is needed about the phycial nature of humanity, (3:18-20) If the connection of humanity to the Divine is merely meat, then there is no connection.
Theologian John Stott in his commentary on the book of Romans, actually suggests that Adam was an existing hominid that God adopted in a special way, and out of Homo sapiens God implanted his image, and made Adam in his image by ensouling him, and creating in Adam not Homo sapiens but Homo divinus.
Cambridge University fellow Dr Denis Alexander ( https://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/Biography.php?ID=9 ) in his book "Creation or Evolution Do We Have to Choose?" wrote, “God in his grace chose a couple of neolithic farmers to whom he chose to reveal himself in a special way, calling them into fellowship with himself so that they might know him as a personal God.”
Cambridge University fellow Dr Denis Alexander ( https://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/Biography.php?ID=9 ) in his book "Creation or Evolution Do We Have to Choose?" wrote, “God in his grace chose a couple of neolithic farmers to whom he chose to reveal himself in a special way, calling them into fellowship with himself so that they might know him as a personal God.”
How is it possible to be so smug while so ignorant? I thought it was clear that both Theologian John Stott, and Dr Denis Alexander are committed Christians. And the reason I read books is because I know that I don't know everything. You seem to think that you do know it all.
You are wrong again.
Have you read about the mental disability called the Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ?
You are wrong again.
Have you read about the mental disability called the Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ?
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Not believing God's word aside, as if the Creator of the universe is incapable of writing an accurate book, whether your Mr. Stott or Dr. Alexander should have been committed is a matter for the courts to decide. Of course, I neither know everything or know it all, but it's inescapable I know more than you. Sorry.
Stott and Alexander are both brilliant in my opinion.
I mostly agree with Stott, but rather than "ensouling" I view it that God activated Adam's spirit.
And I agree with Alexander that Adam's sin led to spiritual death rather than physical death.
The latter sure got Creation Ministries International's panties in a bunch.
Kudos to him for that.
I mostly agree with Stott, but rather than "ensouling" I view it that God activated Adam's spirit.
And I agree with Alexander that Adam's sin led to spiritual death rather than physical death.
The latter sure got Creation Ministries International's panties in a bunch.
Kudos to him for that.
Why do you think that there is a biblical "complete genealogy?" The Bible never makes that claim. There is in fact no "complete genealogy" in the Bible.
How do you compare the so-called biblical "genealogy" with the Babylonian Kings List?
Why did the Apostle Paul instruct Christians in Titus 3: 9, "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Torah, for they are unprofitable and worthless." I think the Bible is a better witness than a charlatan like Ken Ham.
Why do you deny the Apostle Paul?
How do you compare the so-called biblical "genealogy" with the Babylonian Kings List?
Why did the Apostle Paul instruct Christians in Titus 3: 9, "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Torah, for they are unprofitable and worthless." I think the Bible is a better witness than a charlatan like Ken Ham.
Why do you deny the Apostle Paul?
There is no if, there have been those who have lived in caves...
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.You have just made my point. If there had been the myriad of intermediate species that the THEORY demands to transition from some ancient ancestor to modern man, then there should be mountains of skeletons, mountains of bones, mountains of evidence. This is from PBS' website...
Evolution: Frequently Asked Questions
"1. How long does evolution take?
Even though evolution is taking place all around us, for many species the process operates so slowly that it is not observable except over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years -- much too long to witness in a human lifetime. There are cases in quickly reproducing life forms like bacteria and fruit flies, however, where evolution can be seen happening in a matter of weeks for the bacteria and many months for the flies. In these cases the relatively large number of generations in a given period of time is key, since evolutionary change occurs incrementally from one generation to the next. All else being equal, the more generations you have, the more quickly evolution happens.
2. Can you observe evolution happening?
Because for many species, humans included, evolution happens over the course of many thousands of years, it is rare to observe the process in a human lifetime. Usually only laboratory scientists studying quickly reproducing life forms, like single-celled creatures and some invertebrates, have the opportunity to see evolutionary change happen before their eyes. All of us can and do experience the indirect effects of evolution nearly every day, however. One of the more important evolutionary concerns facing humans today is the emergence of antibiotic-resistant microbes. A battle against bacteria that we have been winning with medicine for the last 50 years or so is now an even race, according to some scientists -- because of the rapid rate of bacterial evolution. Similarly, the use of pesticides in agriculture has driven the evolution of resistant insects that require more or harsher chemicals to be killed. Scientists studying Galapagos finches have seen evolutionary changes in beak size and shape in just a few years. Major evolutionary transformations take much, much longer.
4. How long has life existed on Earth?
The oldest known fossils are approximately 3.5 billion years old, but some scientists have discovered chemical evidence suggesting that life may have begun even earlier, nearly 4 billion years ago.
6. How long ago did humans become human?
The oldest known hominid, or humanlike species, has been dated at 4.4 million years old. Another species, which is yet to be confirmed as a hominid, has been dated at 6 million years old. Scientists estimate that the hominid lineage diverged from the ape lineage 5 to 8 million years ago. Homo sapiens, the species to which we belong, has existed for about 100,000 years."
So I will ask this in a different way, since species determined to be hominid are supposed to have come into existence from 4.4 to 6 MILLION years ago, wouldn't one think that there would be a plethora of bones? One should not be able to dig up a flower bed without finding EVIDENCE of man's ancestors.
Now once again, where are all these bones?
Evolution: Frequently Asked Questions
"1. How long does evolution take?
Even though evolution is taking place all around us, for many species the process operates so slowly that it is not observable except over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years -- much too long to witness in a human lifetime. There are cases in quickly reproducing life forms like bacteria and fruit flies, however, where evolution can be seen happening in a matter of weeks for the bacteria and many months for the flies. In these cases the relatively large number of generations in a given period of time is key, since evolutionary change occurs incrementally from one generation to the next. All else being equal, the more generations you have, the more quickly evolution happens.
2. Can you observe evolution happening?
Because for many species, humans included, evolution happens over the course of many thousands of years, it is rare to observe the process in a human lifetime. Usually only laboratory scientists studying quickly reproducing life forms, like single-celled creatures and some invertebrates, have the opportunity to see evolutionary change happen before their eyes. All of us can and do experience the indirect effects of evolution nearly every day, however. One of the more important evolutionary concerns facing humans today is the emergence of antibiotic-resistant microbes. A battle against bacteria that we have been winning with medicine for the last 50 years or so is now an even race, according to some scientists -- because of the rapid rate of bacterial evolution. Similarly, the use of pesticides in agriculture has driven the evolution of resistant insects that require more or harsher chemicals to be killed. Scientists studying Galapagos finches have seen evolutionary changes in beak size and shape in just a few years. Major evolutionary transformations take much, much longer.
4. How long has life existed on Earth?
The oldest known fossils are approximately 3.5 billion years old, but some scientists have discovered chemical evidence suggesting that life may have begun even earlier, nearly 4 billion years ago.
6. How long ago did humans become human?
The oldest known hominid, or humanlike species, has been dated at 4.4 million years old. Another species, which is yet to be confirmed as a hominid, has been dated at 6 million years old. Scientists estimate that the hominid lineage diverged from the ape lineage 5 to 8 million years ago. Homo sapiens, the species to which we belong, has existed for about 100,000 years."
So I will ask this in a different way, since species determined to be hominid are supposed to have come into existence from 4.4 to 6 MILLION years ago, wouldn't one think that there would be a plethora of bones? One should not be able to dig up a flower bed without finding EVIDENCE of man's ancestors.
Now once again, where are all these bones?
Well, that is interesting. What parts don't you believe? If I thought there was false information in just ONE verse, I would not have any confidence in any of the rest of it. But then again, saying something like this
is quite telling. What it says is that you have set yourself up as the ultimate authority. You can decide whether God is telling the truth or not. There is a passage used in the Bible for such...
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
You have stumbled onto (and unfortunately have not recognized) a very profound truth...
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Man was specially created in the image of God...
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
To BECOME the likeness of God...
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
At the second coming, converted Christians will become like God. Until then...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
We are created from the dust of the earth and when we die, we return to it, awaiting a resurrection...
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Some to eternal life, some to death.
P.S. Oh yeah, about God's hair...
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
is quite telling. What it says is that you have set yourself up as the ultimate authority. You can decide whether God is telling the truth or not. There is a passage used in the Bible for such...
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
You have stumbled onto (and unfortunately have not recognized) a very profound truth...
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Man was specially created in the image of God...
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
To BECOME the likeness of God...
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
At the second coming, converted Christians will become like God. Until then...
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
We are created from the dust of the earth and when we die, we return to it, awaiting a resurrection...
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Some to eternal life, some to death.
P.S. Oh yeah, about God's hair...
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
And we KNOW for a fact that the victors NEVER rewrote history to their own benefit. Every history book in the world that has EVER been written has always agreed with every other history book. The history books the NAZIs introduced in Germany during WWII was absolutely factual. Wanna buy a bridge?
Amazing, you can't even apply a verse in context, yet you want me to believe you?
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
The context here is that of a false teacher. Oh wait, what are you teaching concerning the origins and purpose of man?