Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[prodigal]

Yes, the rest of the jews are blinded, But as Paul said, one day soon the deliverer will come out of zion, and ALL Israel will be saved.

the deliverer has been, his name is Jesus, there is only 1 deliverer. only 1 way, flee from those that preach a different way galations 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to the seeds, as speaking of many: but, And to thy seed, as of one, [ab]which is [ac]Christ.

26 [av]For ye are all the sons of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
27 [aw]For all ye that are [ax]baptized into Christ, have [ay]put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Grecian: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female: for ye are all [az]one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs by promise.

 

[prodigal]

Joel 2:32
And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

 

[GuessWho]

lol. It is?

How does a promise to give a nation their land and allow them to live in it in peace have anything to do with the 1st advent?

It has nothing to do with your salvation. It did not have anything to do with Their salvation. It has to do with the promise God made to them, a promise he said was eternal in nature.

Either it is still valid, and if Israel repents, he will remember his promise to them, or it is not, and even if they repent, God will still not remember THIS promise to them.

You can not have it both ways.

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You call God unfaithful? Christ said that He is the Messiah! Do you dear to call yourself a christian and deny this?
Who were the true enemies of Israel and what did Israel needed to be freed from? The Roman empire? The Gentiles? Christ showed that Israel (and all people) need deliverance from sin, death and evil. God fulfilled His promises to Israel in absolutely everything what Christ did.

And why do you say "your own salvation"? Christ brought deliverance to both Jews and Gentiles. It is simply NOT the deliverance that they [the Jews and specifically the Pharisees] expected. It is deliverance from sin and death.

You deny the gospel. Are you going to say that Christ is not the Savior of Israel and of the whole world?

 

[GuessWho]

sure, right here....

Could you point where do I say that one must get circumcised? Thanks.

So why did the gentiles get circumcised. And why was it prepatory for them (us)

this whole post did not make any sense, Which is why I asked you to explain it.

The gentiles got circumcised because they thought this is a requisition to enter God's Covenant, to be part of Israel, of God's chosen people. And Saint Paul said "No, you don't need to do that". Just believe in Jesus Christ's finished/fulfilled work and do not try keep the Law and get circumcised: these two, the Law and the circumcision are only preparatory ways that God gave to Israel as sign of His covenant with them. But now, these two are no longer needed because of what Christ did. Now, all what it takes to be justified (to be in right with God, to enter in His Renewed Covenant) is to believe in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Circumcision of the Gentiles was basically part of a compromise deal thrashed out between Paul and Peter and the Rabbis to allow Gentiles to worship God.

a compromise deal? Thats interesting. Paul spoke against it. For jew or gentile. as a means to enter heaven, so not sure what you mean here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the deliverer has been, his name is Jesus, there is only 1 deliverer. only 1 way, flee from those that preach a different way galations 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to the seeds, as speaking of many: but, And to thy seed, as of one, [ab]which is [ac]Christ.

26 [av]For ye are all the sons of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
27 [aw]For all ye that are [ax]baptized into Christ, have [ay]put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Grecian: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female: for ye are all [az]one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs by promise.

The deliverer from eternal sin, your 100 % right.

However, in rom 11, Paul spoke future tense. if a future deliverer who will take away the sin of Jacob.

So what do you do with that prophesy?

 

[Straightshot]

"The Circumcision of the Gentiles was basically part of a compromise deal thrashed out between Paul and Peter and the Rabbis to allow Gentiles to worship God."


That's a good one ..... never heard it before

Do you have scripture that describes the deal between Paul and peter?

You are joking, right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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You call God unfaithful?

No, You are the one calling God unfaithful. Not me. I believe God keeps all his promises.

Christ said that He is the Messiah! Do you dear to call yourself a christian and deny this?
Who were the true enemies of Israel and what did Israel needed to be freed from? The Roman empire? The Gentiles? Christ showed that Israel (and all people) need deliverance from sin, death and evil. God fulfilled His promises to Israel in absolutely everything what Christ did.

And why do you say "your own salvation"? Christ brought deliverance to both Jews and Gentiles. It is simply NOT the deliverance that they [the Jews and specifically the Pharisees] expected. It is deliverance from sin and death.

You deny the gospel. Are you going to say that Christ is not the Savior of Israel and of the whole world?

there you go with your false accusations again.

You also did not repend to anything I said. Would you like to try again? I can be humble enough to let you try again, Of course you can continue to false accuse me. In which case you just prove your true motive.

So again,

How does a promise to give a nation their land and allow them to live in it in peace have anything to do with the 1st advent?

It has nothing to do with your salvation. It did not have anything to do with Their salvation. It has to do with the promise God made to them, a promise he said was eternal in nature.

Either it is still valid, and if Israel repents, he will remember his promise to them, or it is not, and even if they repent, God will still not remember THIS promise to them.

You can not have it both ways.

 

[GuessWho]

The deliverer from eternal sin, your 100 % right.

However, in rom 11, Paul spoke future tense. if a future deliverer who will take away the sin of Jacob.

So what do you do with that prophesy?

Do you refer to this (?):

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Could you point where do I say that one must get circumcised? Thanks.



The gentiles got circumcised because they thought this is a requisition to enter God's Covenant, to be part of Israel, of God's chosen people. And Saint Paul said "No, you don't need to do that". Just believe in Jesus Christ's finished/fulfilled work and do not try keep the Law and get circumcised: these two, the Law and the circumcision are only preparatory ways that God gave to Israel as sign of His covenant with them. But now, these two are no longer needed because of what Christ did. Now, all what it takes to be justified (to be in right with God, to enter in His Renewed Covenant) is to believe in Christ.

The gentiles thought that because the jews were telling them they needed to.

Not to be a part of Israel. But to be part of the church.

Other than that, this makes more sense, thank you for setting this straight.

 

[GuessWho]

If yes, than notice how Saint Paul says "as it is written" before quoting the scripture.

The deliverer did come from Zion. He's name is Jesus Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you refer to this (?):

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

lets not get tricky, and take it in context. otherwise we would misinterpret what paul was actually saying.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[h]

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

Paul is speaking future tense here, When the blindess of Israel will be removed, He states they are blind in part until the time of the gentile is complete. THEN they will all be saved, why?

The deliver will come out of zion

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If yes, than notice how Saint Paul says "as it is written" before quoting the scripture.

The deliverer did come from Zion. He's name is Jesus Christ.

Yep. but you still did not go back far enough.

The deliever will come to remove the sin of Israel. after the time of the gentile is complete (which will remove the blindness of the part of israel who is blind)

 

[GuessWho]

The gentiles thought that because the jews were telling them they needed to.

Not to be a part of Israel. But to be part of the church.

More specific: to be part of God's covenant. What were the sings of God's covenant with Israel? Circumcision and Law. Now, the Covenant is Renewed by Jesus Christ. We put away "childish" things and mature in Christ.

Other than that, this makes more sense, thank you for setting this straight.

It doesn't make more sense. Since the Jews based their superiority before other people precisely on their election, on their religious exclusivism, on their race, it actually makes much more sense to believe the Jews wanted Gentiles to become physical Jews. Why would Saint Paul ask "is God only the God of the Jews?" if the Jews didn't boast in their believed superiority? Why did Saint Paul argued with Cephas at Antioch? Is it not because the Jews still perceived the Gentiles as a sort of "second-class" people?

 

[GuessWho]

Yep. but you still did not go back far enough.

The deliever will come to remove the sin of Israel. after the time of the gentile is complete (which will remove the blindness of the part of israel who is blind)

The deliverer had already come: His name is Jesus Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

More specific: to be part of God's covenant. What were the sings of God's covenant with Israel? Circumcision and Law. Now, the Covenant is Renewed by Jesus Christ. We put away "childish" things and mature in Christ.

Gods covenant with Israel was never salvic in nature, The jews thought it was, it is why they messed up.

They made the same mistake your making, thinking it was a salvic covenant when it never was. Which is why you proclaim I am teaching a false gospel.

It doesn't make more sense. Since the Jews based their superiority before other people precisely on their election, on their religious exclusivism, on their race, it actually makes much more sense to believe the Jews wanted Gentiles to become physical Jews. Why would Saint Paul ask "is God only the God of the Jews?" if the Jews didn't boast in their believed superiority? Why did Saint Paul argued with Cephas at Antioch? Is it not because the Jews still perceived the Gentiles as a sort of "second-class" people?

I meant what you said makes more sense. I could understand it where I did not understand it before.

Again, your origional post did not make any sense, that is why I asked you to explain further.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The deliverer had already come: His name is Jesus Christ.

Nope.

Paul spoke of a future deliver, when the times of the gentile is complete. Who will remove the sin of Jacob, and cause them to repent. at which case, the blindness in part of Israel will cease to exist, and "all isreal will be saved"

you still ignoring the context of what paul was saying.

 

[crossnote]

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God fulfilled His saving purpose. To deny that is to deny the cross, the resurrection, the actual fulfillment of the promises in O.T. by Christ, to deny the New Testament, Romans, Galatians, Revelation, in a word: denial of Christ.

You have the right to do that, but don't claim to be a christian then.

and all the promises given to Israel through Abraham and David and reaffirmed in the Prophets?

 

[GuessWho]

and all the promises given to Israel through Abraham and David and reaffirmed in the Prophets?

Jesus Christ is the promise.

 

[crossnote]

thus the danger of this thinking, How can we live in peace knowing God could do to us what he did to them?

Don't worry, His rejection of us will only be allegorical