In other words, what folks are trying to say is here that the Word (i.e. God) has the potential to do evil or wrong if the Word was made flesh (Whereby Christ suppressed His divine attribuate of Omniscience). God can no more potentially do wrong or sin than for rain not to be wet. God is good and Holy under all circumstances and situations. Temptation would only exist for Jesus if He was not God 100% and or if He had some capacity for some kind of bad desire.
Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.
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If we were talking about your ordinary every day guy, then this would be true. But with the Eternal Holy Son of God, his body might have cried out for Him to be fed, but the Spirit of Christ within the body of the man, i.e. the Lord our God who is Holy and good and would have NEVER given into the temptation of the devil to turn those stones into bread. For Jesus could have turned those stones into bread a long time ago. He didn't need the devil to help to tell him what He could have done himself. God is always righteous and good. There was never any potential for wrong desire on the part of Christ because He is God.
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This is why I said that you are talking about Hypostatic Dualism. You have Christ as being human in body, and God in soul/spirit. That is 50% man and 50% God. 2 separate entities with separate functioning, making up one being.
Hypostatic Union is Christ as 100% God and 100% man. Not just "he-look-a-like-a-man". Fully man.
And fully God.
When the Word says the he was tempted, do not make excuses for the Word. Submit, and believe it.
Just as He overcame the most powerful temptation that Satan could offer, so we who have His Spirit can overcome all temptation.
Hypostatic Union is Christ as 100% God and 100% man. Not just "he-look-a-like-a-man". Fully man.
And fully God.
When the Word says the he was tempted, do not make excuses for the Word. Submit, and believe it.
Just as He overcame the most powerful temptation that Satan could offer, so we who have His Spirit can overcome all temptation.
No, no, my friend. Two separate entities would mean Christ had a human soul in addition to having His eternal divine soul. That would be two separate entities. Which would be wrong. See, in order for Christ to be tempted beyond His divinity, He would have to have another mind (i.e. a human mind) that would run contrary to His divine eternal mind.
Actually, Jesus was 100% God in the fact that His divine essence or being and divine attributes had never changed. The second person of the Godhead had not changed in any way within the form or being of Christ's Spirit. Christ merely suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience (Whereby He was like a man in not knowing certain things). However, Christ's Omniscience was never removed from His being. The Eternal Word merely suppressed that ability occasionally and at other times, Christ appeared to have accessed that ability or trusted in the Father to reveal things to Him by His power or the power of the Spirit. Jesus was also 100% fully human. He had the flesh of Adam so as to pay the price for our sins by taking those sins within his body and then dying upon the cross. Jesus was 100% human in the fact that He had flesh, bones, and blood. Jesus appeared to be human in the fact that He did all the things a human did - But yet living righteously and perfectly because Christ is God Almighty in the flesh. Jesus appeared to not know things like a man (Because He suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience), and Jesus did not appear in several different places at one time. His body as a man was confined to one point in space time. So the physical body of Jesus was like a real man (Which would mean His physical body was not Omnipresent). Jesus did not enforce ask the Father so as to to take His power or glory and force it upon others (i.e. His Omnipotence). Jesus body was not divine flesh. Jesus body was of the flesh of Adam like our flesh so as to be our substitute. 100% human to accomplish the task at hand.
Jesus was also human in the fact that He faced direct temptations by sinful people. God was never directly tempted in this way before until the Word was made flesh. But the temptations were only external or one way on the part of the one tempting Christ. Christ was grieved in His Spirit by evil men's temptations. Christ could see men having given into their temptation. Something Christ could not have ever experienced personally. But was tempted in all points externally by evil men and knows the pain involved when confronted with such evil. It does not mean Christ struggled with that evil Himself, but the fact that He was in our place or shoes by being in the flesh of the man and facing the temptation directly (As a man), He can relate and comfort those who are tempted. For Christ can see the struggle that humans can go thru personally because Jesus could at many times read people's mind and sense their feelings and hearts. Christ was still 100% God. His Holy nature would not allow Him to be consider in doing evil (Which is a prerequisite for being tempted).
In other words, you believe Jesus who was without sin had the potential to do sin or evil in some way but He simply chose not to do sin and evil. Tell me. Where did this potential to do sin or evil come from within Christ?
Actually, Jesus was 100% God in the fact that His divine essence or being and divine attributes had never changed. The second person of the Godhead had not changed in any way within the form or being of Christ's Spirit. Christ merely suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience (Whereby He was like a man in not knowing certain things). However, Christ's Omniscience was never removed from His being. The Eternal Word merely suppressed that ability occasionally and at other times, Christ appeared to have accessed that ability or trusted in the Father to reveal things to Him by His power or the power of the Spirit. Jesus was also 100% fully human. He had the flesh of Adam so as to pay the price for our sins by taking those sins within his body and then dying upon the cross. Jesus was 100% human in the fact that He had flesh, bones, and blood. Jesus appeared to be human in the fact that He did all the things a human did - But yet living righteously and perfectly because Christ is God Almighty in the flesh. Jesus appeared to not know things like a man (Because He suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience), and Jesus did not appear in several different places at one time. His body as a man was confined to one point in space time. So the physical body of Jesus was like a real man (Which would mean His physical body was not Omnipresent). Jesus did not enforce ask the Father so as to to take His power or glory and force it upon others (i.e. His Omnipotence). Jesus body was not divine flesh. Jesus body was of the flesh of Adam like our flesh so as to be our substitute. 100% human to accomplish the task at hand.
Jesus was also human in the fact that He faced direct temptations by sinful people. God was never directly tempted in this way before until the Word was made flesh. But the temptations were only external or one way on the part of the one tempting Christ. Christ was grieved in His Spirit by evil men's temptations. Christ could see men having given into their temptation. Something Christ could not have ever experienced personally. But was tempted in all points externally by evil men and knows the pain involved when confronted with such evil. It does not mean Christ struggled with that evil Himself, but the fact that He was in our place or shoes by being in the flesh of the man and facing the temptation directly (As a man), He can relate and comfort those who are tempted. For Christ can see the struggle that humans can go thru personally because Jesus could at many times read people's mind and sense their feelings and hearts. Christ was still 100% God. His Holy nature would not allow Him to be consider in doing evil (Which is a prerequisite for being tempted).
In other words, you believe Jesus who was without sin had the potential to do sin or evil in some way but He simply chose not to do sin and evil. Tell me. Where did this potential to do sin or evil come from within Christ?
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No, what Folks are saying is scriptural and you refuse to acknowledge the truth and admit your error by playing word games and coming up with ignorant phraseology......it amazes me how much you brag and boast about the word being the word and then you reject what the word has to say....and to be frank your laser beam statement was moronic as ONE VERSE can be used to support eternal truth just as 50 verses can be used to support eternal truth so keep on rejecting the truth and being too full of pride to acknowledge that your are in error on this particular subject.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth!<---one verse stands alone as eternal truth
Hebrews 4 LIKE<--homoios-->LIKE MANNER, SIMILAR IN LIKE APPEARANCE and CHARACTER
Your flawed theology rejects that ADAM WAS MADE PERFECT with NO SIN NATURE as also APPLIED unto EVE.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth!<---one verse stands alone as eternal truth
Hebrews 4 LIKE<--homoios-->LIKE MANNER, SIMILAR IN LIKE APPEARANCE and CHARACTER
Your flawed theology rejects that ADAM WAS MADE PERFECT with NO SIN NATURE as also APPLIED unto EVE.
*scared when he writes in caps lock like this*! 
It's hard to see when their eyelids are in the way.....
Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people has become dull, With their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes,Otherwise they would see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them.
Acts 28:27
For the heart of this people has become dull, And with their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes;Otherwise they might see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them.
Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people has become dull, With their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes,Otherwise they would see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them.
Acts 28:27
For the heart of this people has become dull, And with their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes;Otherwise they might see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them.
See, when folks just want to attack me and not really address the verses I brought up before, this lets me know several things.
#1. Their behavior is not loving and good like that of Jesus Christ here.
#2. They are not being like a good Berean (Keeping an open mind and seeking the Scriptures to see whether those things be so or not - Comparing Scripture with Scripture).
See, I brought up Scripture, and it just went ignored. All I get is capitalized letters (As if I am being shouted at) or verses about how I am blind, etc. Really? Is that the type of love Christ would want you to show to other believers in Jesus Christ? See, I would not do that to anyone of you (If I disagreed with you).
No explanation on the verses on what I have brought up.
Instead I receive Ad Hominems.
#1. Their behavior is not loving and good like that of Jesus Christ here.
#2. They are not being like a good Berean (Keeping an open mind and seeking the Scriptures to see whether those things be so or not - Comparing Scripture with Scripture).
See, I brought up Scripture, and it just went ignored. All I get is capitalized letters (As if I am being shouted at) or verses about how I am blind, etc. Really? Is that the type of love Christ would want you to show to other believers in Jesus Christ? See, I would not do that to anyone of you (If I disagreed with you).
No explanation on the verses on what I have brought up.
Instead I receive Ad Hominems.
Also, the point about the logic in defining "temptation" keeps going ignored, too. Think, my friends. Can you have temptation if there is no wrong desire for the thing that is tempting you? In other words, if I am not getting your special understanding on temptation, then please be patient with me an explain it to me slowly and clearly. Give me a real world example. See, from my experience in life, I know that in order for a person to be tempted by something, they have to have a desire for that thing that they are being tempted with. Do you agree? Yes, or no? If you disagree, then please explain it to me. Give me a real world example from your understanding on "temptation." Is that hard to do? Why hasn't anyone here been able to do that for me? Is such a thing too hard to do? Did not Jesus use real world examples (i.e. parables) to illustrate spiritual truth?
Did Jesus have wrong desire that He just didn't act upon?
Would it have been possible for Jesus to sin?
Where is the source of the lust or wrong desire within Jesus?
Does Scripture mention such a thing?
Well, I believe Jesus is the spotless Lamb. I believe Jesus is stainless, and Holy, and perfect, and good (Hebrews 7:25). How can you believe Jesus could have wrong desire so as to be tempted? Can you explain it to me? And then maybe back that up with some Scripture?
Did Jesus have wrong desire that He just didn't act upon?
Would it have been possible for Jesus to sin?
Where is the source of the lust or wrong desire within Jesus?
Does Scripture mention such a thing?
Well, I believe Jesus is the spotless Lamb. I believe Jesus is stainless, and Holy, and perfect, and good (Hebrews 7:25). How can you believe Jesus could have wrong desire so as to be tempted? Can you explain it to me? And then maybe back that up with some Scripture?
Going back to your original statement that Christ was 100% man and 100% Christ your statement here is a direct denial of that statement. Christ in His human nature has everything we have as pertains to nature. mind, body and soul.
You ask where did Jesus get this potential to sin, from His human nature, the same as we have.
Christ was tempted as we are, but the difference for Christ is that He also had the ability to not sin which is the constitutive link He possessed as also being One Person, but with a Divine nature as well.
The will of Christ's human nature was in complete obedience to the will of God or His Divine nature. This can also be clearly seen in the Garden at the time of His arrest. It is why we are required to submit to God's will, not our own will.
You ask where did Jesus get this potential to sin, from His human nature, the same as we have.
Christ was tempted as we are, but the difference for Christ is that He also had the ability to not sin which is the constitutive link He possessed as also being One Person, but with a Divine nature as well.
The will of Christ's human nature was in complete obedience to the will of God or His Divine nature. This can also be clearly seen in the Garden at the time of His arrest. It is why we are required to submit to God's will, not our own will.
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Are you saying Jesus had a human spirit in addition to His divine eternal Spirit?
Or are you saying that the body has some type of mind of it's own?
Is it a sin nature?
Or is it just a flaw or weakness in the flesh?
Will our flesh always be flawed and weak?
How can Jesus redeem us with imperfect flesh and blood?
In other words, if Christ is supposed to be our spotless Lamb who takes away the sin of the world, then how can Jesus have the spot of sin or wrong desire from his human nature? Can dirt on something get clean with something dirty or does something clean wash away that dirt?
Or are you saying that the body has some type of mind of it's own?
Is it a sin nature?
Or is it just a flaw or weakness in the flesh?
Will our flesh always be flawed and weak?
How can Jesus redeem us with imperfect flesh and blood?
In other words, if Christ is supposed to be our spotless Lamb who takes away the sin of the world, then how can Jesus have the spot of sin or wrong desire from his human nature? Can dirt on something get clean with something dirty or does something clean wash away that dirt?
This is a very interesting point about the 'stand alone' scripture verses. Another one that comes to mind is 'God is love' as there is no need to find collaborating verses to substantiate this basic truth. 'Jesus wept' is another. He probably still weeps today and shakes His head over the foolishness that goes on in the world, a lot of which is done supposedly in His name.
Don't be so easily offended and I wrote big because it is obvious that you are somewhat blind Jason......Jesus rebuked and raked the Pharisees over the coals as well when they continually rejected truth...so...you obviously do not believe in the Jesus of the bible as the Lord I serve was tempted, tried and enticed exactly the same way humanity has been enticed, tempted and tried...unfortunately your pride will not allow you to embrace truth, admit error and acknowledge the actuality of the temptation of Jesus....By the way...It wont offend me if you direct your quotes at Me as I do not wear my spirituality and or emotions on my sleeve bro.......!
Bro...I don't mind discussing scripture with those who will be open to learning and instruction.....your view is flawed Jason and every time or almost every time someone has proven you wrong in CC you refuse to acknowledge your error and humble yourself to the truth! The verses that have been quoted by numerous people in this thread that prove you are in error have been squandered away and or trivialized away by phraseology, whimsical worldly example and or flatly denied by you because of you refusal to acknowledge your own error.....Too bad and a crying shame for sure!
Instruction? You are not my Pastor. You are not an authority over me, my friend.
Also, you didn't explain the other verses I brought up.
You didn't explain the relationship between wrong desire and temptation and how that relates to Jesus.
Anyways, it's best I think at this point to agree to disagree and just love each other.
May the Lord's love shine upon you all this fine night.
And many blessings be unto you all.
Also, you didn't explain the other verses I brought up.
You didn't explain the relationship between wrong desire and temptation and how that relates to Jesus.
Anyways, it's best I think at this point to agree to disagree and just love each other.
May the Lord's love shine upon you all this fine night.
And many blessings be unto you all.
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Thanks, and I will also say that when we quote truth and apply it biblically in context with an understanding of the words and what they actually mean it equals truth...if we deny the very words given and explain them away and or deny context it will always fall short of given truth.....yes we have all failed at one time or another due to ignorance and or due diligence....but when it is right it is right and when it is false it is false......!