What of the dinosaurs?

[Cycel]

Are you aware that Noah ONLY TOOK mammals,birds and reptiles on the ark? He did not take insects,amphibians etc.

A couple of quick questions. How long could ant or bee colonies survive while submerged? How about butterflies? How successful do you think monarchs might be at surviving with no place to land but on water during a heavy downpour? How many weeks would they have to endure? Would they have a food source once it was all over? Did you consider any of this?

 

[dcontroversal]

We know you are not afraid to answer.

It is the lack of critical thinking in your answers that is concerning.

Why did you post the pic of the supposed human and dinosaur footprints if you know it was bogus?

Jack, let me clue you in to something....your view of me does not even make my list...I have personally seen the footprints of deer and bobcats or mountain lions in granite in the bottom of a creek bed that leads into Norfork Lake in Arkansas....how do you suppose they came to be? Were their white tail deer and or bobcats/mountain lions on the earth 65 million years ago? You cut and paste and or reference the views of men which does not make you or they right. Did I say that the cut and pasted footprints were bogus and or valid? I, just as you have my own views and to state what one believes and to even attempt to discuss anything with you cannot get past your love affair with Kent Hovind...so how many times have you and Kent went out to dinner?

 

[nl]

OoO... We are posting quotes from dead people now. Posting someone else's thoughts always makes a person look smarter.

Dead people will never disappoint you by getting into new sins or scandals. They are done with that.

 

[Cycel]

We are posting quotes from dead people now. Posting someone else's thoughts always makes a person look smarter.

You do that every time you quote from scripture.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Trolls are heavily attracted to Christian venues. The object is to get attention, have impact on people, a sociopathic personality phenomenon that feeds best on people with deeply held convictions of some sort to jerk around. Many people here don't know they're being played, and it never ends, as long as they are getting the attention they crave.

Throw in the deceivers and cults, tares among the wheat.

Yes, it is sad people like to invite Satan in for a chat throughout the day. If folks claiming to be Christians actually read and studied their Bible they wouldn't have more than 10 minutes a day arguing with him. Jesus cut it short by quoting three scriptures to his lies that actually sounded quite theologically correct. So what to do with lies outside of the Bible venue, based on a "science" that must constantly be adjusted to fit empirical evidences?

Notice that they now call what science once called "Varieties" of "species", which without modern genetics knowledge actually had a classification system in agreement with modern genetics knowledge. Genetic diversity of biblical "kinds" should have been sufficient understanding, limiting "species" counts to hundreds. But by changing the definition of species they then confuse all with millions of "species", disregarding genetic diversity of the power of DNA/RNA to produce a variety of animals and plants suited for whatever environmental changes they normally encounter.

But even so, the average size of animals taken aboard the ark of Noah was about that of a modern mouse. Insect eggs and larvae are being found frozen, reviving upon thawing. I order "live" frozen catalpa "worms" for fishing for crappie and bluegill fish in the spring, wriggling like nothing happened after being frozen alive the past summer. Frozen bacteria survive quite well over thousands of years. Not so many "species" of animals were needed if one kept with the "kinds" God created that needed man's help surviving that year. Hoe many "kinds" of animals would have been satisfied living on the strands of plants that fed the animals? How much food would it require to feed an average animal size of a mouse? The Ark had the carrying capacity equivalent to about 570 modern train boxcars.

Evolutionist atheists are desperate to "prove" God's word is wrong somewhere in the Bible. If true they know there's a terrible judgment coming to them, so this is a continual fight for their choice to simply die with no further responsibility for the lives they attempt to destroy on earth. These evolutionists here are obviously enemies of God, though they are blinded and don't believe in a God at all. That is worse than what Satan did, who knew God personally, being His heavenly choir director. So it is that millions of evolutionist atheists set to destroy the children of God are deceived by a choir director. No wonder we sometimes learn of a church choir director running off with a pastor's wife. Consider the source.

Today there are some who promote rejection of the American way due to rejection of part of our judicial system. It is obvious the current challenge is not based on actual evidence, but upon an agenda of "change" for the better or worse, none promoting a workable alternative system. The same is true of the ongoing attack on the testimony of God.

 

[Straightshot]

Somebody always leaves the back door open

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Did you ever hear of the Pope? Pat Robertson?

The majority of Christian denominations accept evolution.

Dude, where's my car?

In other words, what are you smoking?

There's a really big distortion of facts typical of evolutionists wanting to find God in error.

The statistics put such an "acceptance" among the leadership of the RCC, though not the congregation as a majority.
The Anglicans have "an" acceptance, as well as the Church of the Nazarene, the United Methodist Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Note that is a limited span of acceptance considering the movements of people to other church groups, alarmingly similar to the wider confusion about homosexuality (List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), indicating the modern concept of Christianity as related to the Bible morality code is in a state of confusion among some church groups already under suspicion of the greater Church at large. Why? it isn't being taught in the churches. At the root of all the disagreements is ignorance. Christians tolerating evolution couldn't write 20 accurate words in a row describing it in today's terms without looking it up. I encounter thousands of people a year, not one showing proper knowledge of those issues. The same would hold for accuracy about sexual sins.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

A couple of quick questions. How long could ant or bee colonies survive while submerged? How about butterflies? How successful do you think monarchs might be at surviving with no place to land but on water during a heavy downpour? How many weeks would they have to endure? Would they have a food source once it was all over? Did you consider any of this?

God did.

I, however, begin with scriptural accuracy. You exclude insects, amphibians, maybe he possibility of eggs on plants and larvae living in animal tissues? That was not the case, as God commanded in Genesis 6:19-21 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

Can a butterfly live in the absence of oxygen? Do all parasites require an atmosphere? Can't many species live their entire life cycle in water? Of those not requiring an atmosphere not have the capability of DNA alterations to adapt to an atmosphere at least in part?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Somebody always leaves the back door open

We keep the front door locked. That's the one salesmen and religious folks (JW's, etc.) are attracted to. Front doors send a message "all welcome", though not all are. Our back door stays unlocked, though not "open" due to pests flying and walking in. That's the door friends and neighbors know about, like how Jesus opposed the "front door of men's religion" so to speak. When the "good" china plates and silverware are needed for a wedding reception, or maybe a simple party, are needed without notice, we will learn of it when they bring the plates and utensils back clean and put away along, with our fridge filled with wonderful leftover treats. Oh my, that sugar and fat! But Oh so gooooood Oh how precious is the back door! So many blessings pass through both ways. Make your back door a welcoming port.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

A couple of quick questions. How long could ant or bee colonies survive while submerged? How about butterflies? How successful do you think monarchs might be at surviving with no place to land but on water during a heavy downpour? How many weeks would they have to endure? Would they have a food source once it was all over? Did you consider any of this?

If I were to be Noah, I would make sure I had at least one bee hive aboard. I love raw honey! 'It'll make a rabbit fight a dog' as said around here. God required food for all to be taken in, so doubtless the folks aboard the Ark had lots of flowers to appreciate, along with bees, on lots of plant species that don't rely on seed propagation alone.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Jack, let me clue you in to something....your view of me does not even make my list...I have personally seen the footprints of deer and bobcats or mountain lions in granite in the bottom of a creek bed that leads into Norfork Lake in Arkansas....how do you suppose they came to be? Were their white tail deer and or bobcats/mountain lions on the earth 65 million years ago? You cut and paste and or reference the views of men which does not make you or they right. Did I say that the cut and pasted footprints were bogus and or valid? I, just as you have my own views and to state what one believes and to even attempt to discuss anything with you cannot get past your love affair with Kent Hovind...so how many times have you and Kent went out to dinner?

HEY, ya found me huntin place? Ya might not be far from my bluegill spot.....

Yep, those prints are set in stone. It doesn't take long at all to seal those marks, all the while rain and now lake waves eroding them. You and I know such signs tell us the animals still follow the same paths, have the same habits, finding the same prints in fresh mud.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Darwin himself said his theory could be disproved if the fossils didnt back him up I believe.Its become a religion for atheists now. The fossils dont back up the theory.There should be endless missing links found but they're still searching for one that isn't a pigs tail or a turkey wing."When I see a hundred missing links" then I'll reconsider.For now its just a fairy tale.

Right. You also mentioned the finches. Good. Darwin's finches have turned out to be various varieties of the same species that dominate according to available food supplies. During extended drought in the Galapagos islands, the larger billed finches prevail, able to crack less desirable larger nuts. When there's plenty of variety of food in good times, the smaller billed finches dominate. Both exist together. One didn't evolve from the other. Darwin didn't know, but modern researchers do.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

You have that almost correct. The problem is the false literal interpretation of the Bible that brings it to disrespect. As predicted, “Tis a dangerous thing to engage the authority of scripture in disputes about the natural world in opposition to reason; lest time, which brings all things to light, should discover that to be evidently false which we had made scripture assert.” Telluris theoria sacra (1684 English edition, “The Sacred Theory of the Earth” Preface, pg. 10), Reverend Thomas Burnett (1635?-1715)

Ah, a regularly misquoted saying supposedly favoring unbelievers devoted only to science. In context you should have known that Isaac Newton and Rev. Burnett agreed on many things. Newton was a fan of Burnett's biblical take on geology. One little dispute I found concerned the length of a day in Genesis 1. Newton suspected a longer day, Burnett disagreed, believing what God created was perfect. Centuries later we can measure the ever increasing days, not shortenings. Physics requires the planet to slow down it's revolution, like a top spins madly, then wobbles, then falls on its side. The man that was probably the greatest science and math guru of his time was wrong. The theologian was closer to right. Newton sided with God. Did that damage his contributions to knowledge?

The warning of your quote concerns people that use the scriptures wrongly to oppose the truth of the scriptures. It can also be inferred from Burnett's writings that apparent modern science can be wrong, the wrong established by the authority of God's word. Newton was a Christian, had no inclination to defy the literal account of Genesis. "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily.’" should not be interpreted by modern atheists as a repudiation of the true scientific method he adopted from the British Royal Society. He made a very significant contribution to modern science, I hope you know. If alive today he would oppose you. There is no doubt of it. You are not in his class, but of the Devil who is the father of lies. Repent.

 

[JackH]

Christians tolerating evolution couldn't write 20 accurate words in a row describing it in today's terms without looking it up.

Bet me.

Dr. Joshua Zorn in this "The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary" makes far more sense than your ranting diatribes.

ASA Resources -- The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary by Dr. Joshua Zorn

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Bet me.

Dr. Joshua Zorn in this "The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary" makes far more sense than your ranting diatribes.

ASA Resources -- The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary by Dr. Joshua Zorn

I understand, you find it necessary to ignore common sense and truth, always searching for some disputer of the Lord? Your answers must often be more internet links passing on the lies of atheists, the deceived, the demoralized, and the confused?

I am compelled to cherish the word of God all the more.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Bet me.

Dr. Joshua Zorn in this "The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary" makes far more sense than your ranting diatribes.

ASA Resources -- The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary by Dr. Joshua Zorn

Interesting that Zorn was convinced into error by the error of Davis Young, geology professor at Calvin College.

 

[JackH]

I understand, you find it necessary to ignore common sense and truth, always searching for some disputer of the Lord? Your answers must often be more internet links passing on the lies of atheists, the deceived, the demoralized, and the confused?

I am compelled to cherish the word of God all the more.

Is Dr. Joshua Zorn an atheist?

Everybody who does not agree with your YEC mindset and ICR propaganda is a heretic, according to you.

It would appear you may have finally gone off the deep end with your seven straight posts of babble-on (Babylon).

You better hope than Ken Ham stop to pick you up in his $73 million Noah's ark. Then you can bend T. rex's ear with your proselytizing.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Is Dr. Joshua Zorn an atheist?

Everybody who does not agree with your YEC mindset and ICR propaganda is a heretic, according to you.

It would appear you may have finally gone off the deep end with your seven straight posts of babble-on (Babylon).

You better hope than Ken Ham stop to pick you up in his $73 million Noah's ark. Then you can bend T. rex's ear with your proselytizing.

Did I mention any of those points? No. That post is quite self polarizing to say the least, like a mark across one's forehead. We are mostly humans here, not of the apish bunch, so you can calm down for the sake of reasonable dialogue The idea I posed is one that requires some intelligence to explore. Any educated human can participate. Please try without help from your atheist friend.

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

Ah, a regularly misquoted saying supposedly favoring unbelievers devoted only to science.

I read it on-line: Sacred Theory of the Earth

I suspect that the Reverend Thomas Burnett after 300 years of study from the time of his death, until now would have managed to keep pace with geology. I find it odd that you are apparently stuck in a time warp.

John Calvin could almost have you in mind when he wrote,

"Moses makes two great luminaries; but astronomers prove, by conclusive reasons that the star of Saturn, which on account of its great distance, appears the least of all, is greater than the moon. Here lies the difference; Moses wrote in a popular style things which without instruction, all ordinary persons, endued with common sense, are able to understand; but astronomers investigate with great labour whatever the sagacity of the human mind can comprehend. Nevertheless, this study is not to be reprobated, nor this science to be condemned, because some frantic persons are wont boldly to reject whatever is unknown to them."

Genesis, Vol. I, Part 3 (1554).
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom01.txt

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

Bet me.

Dr. Joshua Zorn in this "The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary" makes far more sense than your ranting diatribes.

ASA Resources -- The Testimony of a Formerly Young Earth Missionary by Dr. Joshua Zorn

The book mentioned by Dr. Joshua Zorn written by Dr. Davis Young has been updated and expanded,

Young, Davis A., Ralf F. Stearley
2008 "The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth" Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press

I also recommend his 1995 book on the way that the Christian Church accepted, and adjusted to the geological discoveries in the late 1700s, and early 1800s; “The Biblical Flood: A case study of the Church’s Response to extrabiblical evidence” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, Paternoster Press