Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[newbirth]

Salvation is not possible with works .... any who think so will end up here [Revelation 20:11-15]

salvation is not possible by works of the law...it is by grace through faith ....if you can show me your faith without works ...you are good to go....

James 2:17-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Ephesians 2:4-9King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Straightshot]

"salvation is not possible by works of the law...it is by grace through faith ....if you can show me your faith without works ... you are good to go"


Some think they can earn their salvation by keeping legalisms designed by certain sects of professing Christianity they follow

And yes, one must have "faith" to believe that the Lord is willing and able to save them for eternity without proof

.... then He will show you by leading you into all truth

And the genuine believer seeks to follow with related valued efforts .... this is only reasonable

 

[Jabberjaw]

Some think they can earn their salvation by keeping legalisms designed by certain sects of professing Christianity they follow

Are you lawless? when has man ever not been under law? do you not know being under law is under legalism? are you not under the law of Christ? :

Galatians 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

 

[newbirth]

Some think they can earn their salvation by keeping legalisms designed by certain sects of professing Christianity they follow

And yes, one must have "faith" to believe that the Lord is willing and able to save them for eternity without proof

.... then He will show you by leading you into all truth

And the genuine believer seeks to follow with related valued efforts .... this is only reasonable[/COLOR]

you are saying they think that..... did they say they think that...???

 

[Jillyanne]

A farmer doesn't farm to PROVE he is a farmer, he farms because he IS a farmer.

 

[Jillyanne]

Duty vs. Love.......love out of duty depletes you

 

[Hizikyah]

Nothing we can "do" of our own accord can save us.

However this does not mean we reject everything the Creator says concerning conduct just because we cant do it perfect.

Only Yahweh can save us, but we must do as He says AND rely on His Salvation

Adam and Eve were tricked into thinking that it was ok to disobey Yahweh, seems the same lie is just as effective today...

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

 

[Hizikyah]

Duty vs. Love.......love out of duty depletes you

1 John (Yahchanan) 4:19-21, "We love Him, because He first loved us. If anyone says: I love Yahweh, and hates his neighbor, he is a liar; for he who does not love his neighbor whom he has seen, how can he love Yahweh Whom he has not seen? For we have this commandment from Him: That he who loves Yahweh must love his neighbor also."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Duty vs. Love.......love out of duty depletes you

amen, God did not save us to do duty, He saved us to learn how to love as he loves.

 

[Jillyanne]

For years, I was a professing "Christian", I tried and tried to be good, to do right, to obey God, yet it felt forced and dutiful. Finally, I gave up, worn out, I completely walked away and fell into deep sin. One night I fell on my face before God trembling in fear and remorse, It was the first time i came face to face with the darkness of my sin and I came face to face with His holiness, at that moment I KNEW I needed Him to be all I could never be and FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE I rested in HIS righteousness ALONE!! I was forgiven and needless to say, in LOVE with my savior!!!! We are saved UNTO good works!!!

 

[SeaBass]

For years, I was a professing "Christian", I tried and tried to be good, to do right, to obey God, yet it felt forced and dutiful. Finally, I gave up, worn out, I completely walked away and fell into deep sin. One night I fell on my face before God trembling in fear and remorse, It was the first time i came face to face with the darkness of my sin and I came face to face with His holiness, at that moment I KNEW I needed Him to be all I could never be and FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE I rested in HIS righteousness ALONE!! I was forgiven and needless to say, in LOVE with my savior!!!! We are saved UNTO good works!!!

Can a rebellious, disobedient, unrighteous person be saved while he continues to rebel against God, continues to disobey God, continues to live in unrighteousness?

 

[SeaBass]

A farmer doesn't farm to PROVE he is a farmer, he farms because he IS a farmer.

Can one who never farms be a farmer?
Can I be an NFL player yet never be on an NFL team nor play in the NFL?
Can one prove his faith while never having any works?
Can one be a Christian and never do any good works?

 

[notuptome]

Can one who never farms be a farmer?

Most gentlemen farmers never farm the land.

Can I be an NFL player yet never be on an NFL team nor play in the NFL?

To be an NFL player you must be on a team, some never get in an actual game. Like many Christians really..

Can one prove his faith while never having any works?

How would you ever know since you cannot see the heart of a man?

Can one be a Christian and never do any good works?

This is the question you always ask but you never offer a list of approved works you deem necessary to qualify. The question is meaningless without a list. Kind of like asking how high is up?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

Most gentlemen farmers never farm the land.
To be an NFL player you must be on a team, some never get in an actual game. Like many Christians really..
How would you ever know since you cannot see the heart of a man?
This is the question you always ask but you never offer a list of approved works you deem necessary to qualify. The question is meaningless without a list. Kind of like asking how high is up?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

One cannot be a farmer unless he farms as one cannot be an NFL player unless he is on an NFL team as one cannot be a Christian unless he has good works as one cannot have faith if he has no works. The works define who a person is, so if one does unrighteousness then he is unrighteous for he works define who he is. One who never does righteousness cannot be righteous.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One cannot be a farmer unless he farms as one cannot be an NFL player unless he is on an NFL team

Does not even compair. A farmer and professional athlete earn their jobs by doing the work it takes to be that in the first place. they just do not become farmers.

A christian does not become a christian by working for it, He becomes one because God made them one, by adopting them as sons and daughters, they are not qualified when they were adopted. if anything, they were unqualified when they became one, That is why God had to purchase their salvation with his own blood.

as one cannot be a Christian unless he has good works as one cannot have faith if he has no works.

An nfl player works, because they were given the priviledge of being an NFL player, to say they would not work is foolish. One does not get the opportunity to be in that position just to sit on their buts and not do anything with the great opportunity and greatefulness that have been given to have that job to begin with. The same goes with a Christian. He will act like a christian, He is just not going to sit on his but, he knows what it takes to please the father, and WANTS to out of a sincere and grateful heart.

The works define who a person is, so if one does unrighteousness then he is unrighteous for he works define who he is. One who never does righteousness cannot be righteous.

Your right, Just as an nfl player who did not work was never an nfl player, it would never happen. As a christan can never be unrighteous (live as they did before) it would never happen.

this is the part you legalists do not get. You keep arguing impossible things, then wonder why people ignore you and do not listen to you.

 

[notuptome]

One cannot be a farmer unless he farms as one cannot be an NFL player unless he is on an NFL team as one cannot be a Christian unless he has good works as one cannot have faith if he has no works. The works define who a person is, so if one does unrighteousness then he is unrighteous for he works define who he is. One who never does righteousness cannot be righteous.

Circular reasoning. Now where in scripture do I find this list of required works? Must all be accomplished or are only some essential?

When you get saved you are on the team. If you never get in the game it does not mean you are not on the team.

You go about making your own rules as to who is saved and who is not. Not a very prudent undertaking especially since you are without the earnest, the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

Circular reasoning. Now where in scripture do I find this list of required works? Must all be accomplished or are only some essential?

When you get saved you are on the team. If you never get in the game it does not mean you are not on the team.

You go about making your own rules as to who is saved and who is not. Not a very prudent undertaking especially since you are without the earnest, the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

One who does unrighteousness REMAINS unrighteous until he decides to start doing righteousness.

1 Jn 3:10 one cannot be on the "saved team" while he CONTINUES to NOT do righteousness.

 

[SeaBass]

Does not even compair. A farmer and professional athlete earn their jobs by doing the work it takes to be that in the first place. they just do not become farmers.

A christian does not become a christian by working for it, He becomes one because God made them one, by adopting them as sons and daughters, they are not qualified when they were adopted. if anything, they were unqualified when they became one, That is why God had to purchase their salvation with his own blood.



An nfl player works, because they were given the priviledge of being an NFL player, to say they would not work is foolish. One does not get the opportunity to be in that position just to sit on their buts and not do anything with the great opportunity and greatefulness that have been given to have that job to begin with. The same goes with a Christian. He will act like a christian, He is just not going to sit on his but, he knows what it takes to please the father, and WANTS to out of a sincere and grateful heart.



Your right, Just as an nfl player who did not work was never an nfl player, it would never happen. As a christan can never be unrighteous (live as they did before) it would never happen.

this is the part you legalists do not get. You keep arguing impossible things, then wonder why people ignore you and do not listen to you.

One becomes a farmer by farming as one become a NFL player by playing in the NFL as one becomes a Christian by obeying Christ, Heb 5:9.

One CANNOT become either a farmer or an NFL player by doing nothing just as one cannot become a Christian by doing nothing. No one was told by Christ to "do nothing" and thou shalt be a Christian. One cannot be a follower of Christ > Christian by doing nothing. If one can become a Christian by "doing nothing" then there is no logical reason (other than unlogical religious bias) why one cannot become a farmer, NFL player, an astronaut, an accountant by "doing nothing".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One becomes a farmer by farming as one become a NFL player by playing in the NFL as one becomes a Christian by obeying Christ, Heb 5:9.

One CANNOT become either a farmer or an NFL player by doing nothing just as one cannot become a Christian by doing nothing. No one was told by Christ to "do nothing" and thou shalt be a Christian. One cannot be a follower of Christ > Christian by doing nothing. If one can become a Christian by "doing nothing" then there is no logical reason (other than unlogical religious bias) why one cannot become a farmer, NFL player, an astronaut, an accountant by "doing nothing".

one becomes an nfl player by being drafted by a team.

dude get a clue. nothing yuo say makes sense. Never does. How can you look at yourself with the foolishness yu preach?

 

[Jabberjaw]

one becomes an nfl player by being drafted by a team.

dude get a clue. nothing yuo say makes sense. Never does. How can you look at yourself with the foolishness yu preach?

Quit playing dumb, you know what he is saying, one does not become "anything" without doing "something" including being a "Christian", you OSAS do nothing but sit on the couch people thinking that's all you had to do to be Christians... work harder at doing nothing than to do the righteous works of God. Pathetic.