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The word translated shortly also means quickly, with speed. It would be presumptuous to think he meant shortly, since most of the stuff prophesied could not happen in that period.
It is like matt 24. Birth pangs, Start in short bursts, then exponentially get faster and shorter and extreme.
This would make more sense. to say speedily, take place. not shortly as in then.
τάχος, -ους, τό, fr. Hom. down, quickness, speed: ἐν τάχει (often in Grk. writ. fr. Aeschyl. and Pind. down), quickly, shortly, Acts 12:7; 22:18; [25:4]; Ro. 16:20; speedily, soon, (Germ. in Bälde), Lk. 18:8; 1 Tim. 3:14 L Tr WH; Rev. 1:1; 22:6.*
Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: being Grimm’s Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (p. 616). New York: Harper & Brothers.
τάχος, εος, τό, (τᾰχύς) swiftness, speed, fleetness, velocity, Il., Plat.
2. τ. φρενῶν quickness of temper, hastiness, Eur.
II. τάχος is often used in Adverbial phrases for ταχέως, absol. in acc., Aesch., etc.:—with Preps., ἀπὸ τάχους Xen.; διὰ τάχους Soph., etc.; ἐν τάχει Aesch., etc.; εἰς τάχος Xen., etc.; κατὰ τάχος Hdt., Thuc.; μετὰ τάχους Plat.; σὺν τάχει Soph.:—also with relatives, ὡς τάχος, like ὡς τάχιστα, Hdt., Aesch.; so, ὅ τι τάχος Hdt., Soph.; ὅσον τάχος Soph.:—also, ὡς τάχεος εἶχεν ἕκαστος as each was off for speed, i.e. as quickly as they could, Hdt.; ὡς εἶχον τάχους Thuc.
Liddell, H. G. (1996). A lexicon: Abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English lexicon (p. 794). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
It is like matt 24. Birth pangs, Start in short bursts, then exponentially get faster and shorter and extreme.
This would make more sense. to say speedily, take place. not shortly as in then.
τάχος, -ους, τό, fr. Hom. down, quickness, speed: ἐν τάχει (often in Grk. writ. fr. Aeschyl. and Pind. down), quickly, shortly, Acts 12:7; 22:18; [25:4]; Ro. 16:20; speedily, soon, (Germ. in Bälde), Lk. 18:8; 1 Tim. 3:14 L Tr WH; Rev. 1:1; 22:6.*
Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: being Grimm’s Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (p. 616). New York: Harper & Brothers.
τάχος, εος, τό, (τᾰχύς) swiftness, speed, fleetness, velocity, Il., Plat.
2. τ. φρενῶν quickness of temper, hastiness, Eur.
II. τάχος is often used in Adverbial phrases for ταχέως, absol. in acc., Aesch., etc.:—with Preps., ἀπὸ τάχους Xen.; διὰ τάχους Soph., etc.; ἐν τάχει Aesch., etc.; εἰς τάχος Xen., etc.; κατὰ τάχος Hdt., Thuc.; μετὰ τάχους Plat.; σὺν τάχει Soph.:—also with relatives, ὡς τάχος, like ὡς τάχιστα, Hdt., Aesch.; so, ὅ τι τάχος Hdt., Soph.; ὅσον τάχος Soph.:—also, ὡς τάχεος εἶχεν ἕκαστος as each was off for speed, i.e. as quickly as they could, Hdt.; ὡς εἶχον τάχους Thuc.
Liddell, H. G. (1996). A lexicon: Abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English lexicon (p. 794). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
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I do translate all manifesting of Gods coming as physical.
The OT describes this judgment on nations Specifically the nations who had come against jerusalem. It also speaks of this as the judgment on the final beast of daniel. or the destruction of the beast system.
If you do not want to respond that is fine, I will still respond so people who are actually trying to figure it out get both sides of the story. not just one.
show me the scripture please. Jesus speaks of a great tribulation, but that was for His generation...Matt. 24 doesn't state that no flesh would survive. Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Jewish nation, it is like no other because not only did they lose the nation, but God's blessing as God's economy. They were given the oracles of God, but never again to be the apple of God's eye. God used them to bring forth His eternal purpose. The were the anti-type to the real nation, and that's those in Christ. That's why it's like no other.
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Revelation does use symbology, but that is because it is a prophetic book.
Just like most prophecies especially in the OT, they use a lot of symbolism. Just like the fall of the king of Tyre being symbolized by the fall of Lucifer, the statue and beasts that symbolize empires, nations, kings, and so on...
Magog is Russia, and yet through history has Russia ever come up against Israel in a war yet. Psalms 83 shows a war where the surrounding bordering nations to Israel are defeated leading to Israel no longer feeling threaten and move out from behind the wall they built.
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15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
tribulation. greater than any tribulation than before the world was created. or will ever again be. (this rules out AD 70, because both ww1 and ww2 made 70 AD look like a picnic.
No flesh would be saved. No life on earth would survive.
Stopped by the return of Christ.
tribulation. greater than any tribulation than before the world was created. or will ever again be. (this rules out AD 70, because both ww1 and ww2 made 70 AD look like a picnic.
No flesh would be saved. No life on earth would survive.
Stopped by the return of Christ.
Wow, the fall of the King of Tyre is the fall of Lucifer. Lucifer means morning star, here it is used for an earthly king, while revelations uses it in reference to our heavenly king, it just a way of describing royalty. No where does it say Lucifer is like this king, nor the the bible ever call Satan "Lucifer". But again, your jumping subjects.
The abomination of desolation that Daniel spoke of was when Anitichus IV Epiphanes slaughter a pig on the alter, Anitichus IV Epiphanes is the guy who caused 7 years of tribulation after Daniel's day and before Christ (I don't know precise dates, but I know the Jews experienced 7 years of intense tribulation during this time). IMHO, Jesus is making a comparison here, or a note, and making an application to what it will be like during Jerusalem's destruction.
As I alluded to before, people of today do not hang out on their roof tops (if they did, they'd probably get shot)...They did back then to get out of their hot houses and into the open air.
Ok, I was wrong, "no flesh would be saved" simply means if this time of tribulation for the Jews continued then all of them would have died. We know that @ 1/3 of the Jews were captured (saved from death) after 70AD ( and perhaps saved spiritual after the fall of Jerusalem).
As I alluded to before, people of today do not hang out on their roof tops (if they did, they'd probably get shot)...They did back then to get out of their hot houses and into the open air.
Ok, I was wrong, "no flesh would be saved" simply means if this time of tribulation for the Jews continued then all of them would have died. We know that @ 1/3 of the Jews were captured (saved from death) after 70AD ( and perhaps saved spiritual after the fall of Jerusalem).
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Antiochus was the little horn of the 3rd beast kingdom. He was prophesied.
But the one Jesus spoke of was future, thus it could not be antiochus, not to mention. Daniel claims it happens AFTER messiah is cut off, and wars desolation which will occur for a period of time (which is unknown)
I do not try to figure out the literal interpretation of everything, Just know God says it will happen, and trust him.
How do you get this? The tribulation spoken of is worldwide, not relegated to a small part of the world.
It also says it will be the greates tribulation which will ever occur. Even if it was against jews, What hitler did them was far greater than what rome did to them.
But the one Jesus spoke of was future, thus it could not be antiochus, not to mention. Daniel claims it happens AFTER messiah is cut off, and wars desolation which will occur for a period of time (which is unknown)
I do not try to figure out the literal interpretation of everything, Just know God says it will happen, and trust him.
How do you get this? The tribulation spoken of is worldwide, not relegated to a small part of the world.
It also says it will be the greates tribulation which will ever occur. Even if it was against jews, What hitler did them was far greater than what rome did to them.
show me the scripture please. Jesus speaks of a great tribulation, but that was for His generation...Matt. 24 doesn't state that no flesh would survive. Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Jewish nation
I see just another branded replacement/preterist is here
One can spot them from 10 miles out
The scoffers are present in droves today and multiplying
This is a good sign for the Lord's true ecclesia .... it means that He is at the door
I see just another branded replacement/preterist is here
One can spot them from 10 miles out
The scoffers are present in droves today and multiplying
This is a good sign for the Lord's true ecclesia .... it means that He is at the door
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lol. I know
the judgment on nations are against the nations who have kept Israel captive while they were in sin, Who have treated them badly. And have come up against jerusalem. It culminates in the destruction of the final beast of daniel.
He said after he judges them, they will come to jerusalem once a year to worhsip the messiah, the nations who do not. God will not allow it to rain on them.
the judgment on nations are against the nations who have kept Israel captive while they were in sin, Who have treated them badly. And have come up against jerusalem. It culminates in the destruction of the final beast of daniel.
He said after he judges them, they will come to jerusalem once a year to worhsip the messiah, the nations who do not. God will not allow it to rain on them.