Cop Not Indicted

[pastac]

Its about race UNTIL a black conservative is a nominee for the Supreme Court and gets nearly bulldozed by other blacks; or when a conservative black man running for the presidency is attacked in the very same way by other blacks...or when stats show more blacks are killed by B on B crime than by other races.
Maybe instead of this being a racial issue it's rather a lawless vs. law matter.
I've seen rioters of all colors, not rioting for a cause but rioting for cell phones, designer clothing and other free goodies.

Out of my respect for you I'll keep it real class act as most of the time you are. It is and always will be about race no way around it. Closed eyes don't see truth. Race is an issue it was an issue in the bible and if nothing is new under the sun it should come as no big surprise some men don't deserve to wear badges. Lawlessness runs the gambit of all races yet I see no war on white men being killed by police its not hare to see unless you just don't want too! Even Stevie Wonder can see this is not right. Race will not be an issue in heaven nor class nor any of the stuff used to keep us separated. Yes race baiters are alive and well but they can only bait the races if the hungry bite.
pastac

 

[pastac]

It already happened in Salt Lake City to an unarmed young white man who never assaulted or threatened any police officer. You can watch the officer's bodycam video here at the Salt Lake Tribune's YouTube channel:

[video=youtube_share;o1UjKqzVDCw]http://youtu.be/o1UjKqzVDCw[/video]

'Justice for Dillon Taylor' sought for white Utah man fatally shot by black officer - Washington Times

Cop kills white man, media hide race

As you can clearly see, Dillon never assaulted anyone. He certainly didn't punch the officer in the face and attempt to disarm him. The police officer's come out guns drawn ordering the young man to get down on the ground. The young man disregarded the police officer's instructions and attempted to walk away nervously lifting up his shirt in the process. The black police officer shot the young white man dead on the spot.

Dillon, like Michael Brown, was gang associated (though not a member) and was wanted for a robbery he had recently committed. He had a minor juvenile criminal record but no adult one.

The media quickly dropped this story; however, as the races were reversed from what they needed to be for liberals and the liberal media in the U.S. to deem it newsworthy.

Personally, I'm not going to defend Dillon because the police were serving an arrest warrant for robbery and Dillon disregarded their lawful orders, illegally attempted to flee, and acted in such a way that the black officer believed Dillon was presenting a weapon and might use it.

But for the purposes of gauging the Michael Brown supporter outcry; this dead young man never assaulted anyone nor tried to disarm anyone and he was completely unarmed. So where is Al Sharpton? Where is Obama? Where is the outcry from the black community?

It's non-existent. Dillon and the police officer are both the wrong color for the liberal script being run in this nation so they don't count and aren't newsworthy.

No one says this doesn't happen but its not the norm. The cops killing black males is the norm and widely accepted for minor crimes and mistaken identity and yes even for blatant crimes it is a disproportionate set of figures and everybody knows it.so showing a case where it is reversed is sad and disheartening but it is not the norm!
pastac

 

[pastac]

I also agree with the Grand Jury. It is ironic that this tragedy could have been avoided if Michael Brown had shown respect for the law and the authority(police). I could never imagine myself cussing at a police officer and disobeying a direct order to hit the ground.

If I have an issue with a police officer, I would take the issue to his superiors or/and my attorney.

well biscuit you have an attorney most blackmales need one but don't have one and respect is still a two way street officers cuss at blackmales all the time, your city may be different but in LA I've lived, DC NYC,NJ, ATL they are terrible not all but the vast majority have little to no respect for you even with two PhD's!
pastac

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The "norm," with respect to police shootings is that the deceased's behavior warranted it. There are exceptions but neither of these two cases qualify.

As for race, though black Americans only represent 13.2% of the U.S. population the US Department of Justice reports that blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008."

When all of the statistics are considered, the asserted anomaly of disproportion resolves.

No one says this doesn't happen but its not the norm. The cops killing black males is the norm and widely accepted for minor crimes and mistaken identity and yes even for blatant crimes it is a disproportionate set of figures and everybody knows it.so showing a case where it is reversed is sad and disheartening but it is not the norm!
pastac

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

A white female managed to save Ferguson's PaPa John's pizza:

[video=youtube_share;2CpJfUA4WFI]http://youtu.be/2CpJfUA4WFI[/video]

Ferguson: Video shows woman protecting Papa John's in Ferguson - CBS News

I've seen some serious beat downs in my lifetime occur for "heroes" attempting to stop criminals from engaging in criminal behavior. She got off very lucky. The white lady around the corner from me who liked to visit one of the local bars here didn't though. After being lured into the parking lot, she was knocked out, beaten, and drug behind a shopping center and raped repeatedly by two black males.

Here's a case the liberal media wouldn't touch of a white college student brutally murdered by a mob of blacks for being white and wanting a hamburger at a McDonald's in College Station, Texas: Beaten to Death at McDonald’s | FrontPage Magazine

Do you know what this is?

(hint: it's a media blackout)

Been watching the protests for the past two nights, will be watching again tonight. Last night seemed calmer than that first night, but bigger like more cities with big protests. Wondering a bit how long these might go on. This could really be something major if they go on through Thanksgiving and friday. Stay safe ya'll.

 

[crossnote]

Its about race UNTIL a black conservative is a nominee for the Supreme Court and gets nearly bulldozed by other blacks; or when a conservative black man running for the presidency is attacked in the very same way by other blacks...or when stats show more blacks are killed by B on B crime than by other races.
Maybe instead of this being a racial issue it's rather a lawless vs. law matter.
I've seen rioters of all colors, not rioting for a cause but rioting for cell phones, designer clothing and other free goodies.

Out of my respect for you I'll keep it real class act as most of the time you are. It is and always will be about race no way around it. Closed eyes don't see truth. Race is an issue it was an issue in the bible and if nothing is new under the sun it should come as no big surprise some men don't deserve to wear badges. Lawlessness runs the gambit of all races yet I see no war on white men being killed by police its not hare to see unless you just don't want too! Even Stevie Wonder can see this is not right. Race will not be an issue in heaven nor class nor any of the stuff used to keep us separated. Yes race baiters are alive and well but they can only bait the races if the hungry bite.
pastac

Thanks for responding...but not addressing my points.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm: Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm - Washington Times

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"Close friends of Darren Wilson have called for the star witness in the Michael Brown shooting to be charged for lying about what he saw."

It appears that Darren Wilson has a history of lying to the police: Darren Wilson's friends demand witness in Michael Brown case be charged with PERJURY | Daily Mail Online

 

[Atwood]

My apologies, Freeze, I saw only the pronoun "they" without an antecedent. So I am guilty of judging myself! Given the topic of this thread (how did Planned Parenthood get into it???), I thought you were saying that the police were regularly shooting black children. "they slaughter black children every day with a smile." I thought they were = the American police!

If you want to take a shot at PP, I am of course happy about it, even if it is off thread, but maybe someone it got into the thread by associations.

 

[Atwood]

The chart that PBS mostly helpfully posted on witness testimony for the Darren Wilson case, is absolutely incredible. There are a host of witnesses. What is incredible is how so many witnesses can contradict each other on what happened. And we want 2 - 3 witnesses to establish criminal testimony. But what do you do when the most elemental facts have contradictory witnesses; like 6 for and 5 against? And suppose that only the 5 against were the witnesses.

The one thing about this chart that seems well established is that at some point Brown raised his hands. But also it appears that at some point he put his hand in his waist band.

What do the newly released witness statements tell us about the Michael Brown shooting? | PBS NewsHour

IMHO:

To me what is most tragic about this is how a young man was proclaimed innocent and murdered by a policeman, right after he had robbed a store -- proclamation of murder based apparently on pigment match between the proclaimers and Brown. We have a deep-set strain of racism at play here. Are people supposed to get a pass at defying white policemen if the defiers have some certain pigment?

Can someone explain to me how grand jury testimony can be released to the public? It appears like it is all available now in print.

 

[biscuit]

You have a different perception of law enforcement ... There are terrible cops out there, but hopefully there weeded through. Tell me what you think when one tells you to get your hands on his car, with a burning hot engine that seeps thru the hood, as they rev, the engine, while another frisking says, don't make a move!! It gives one the idea " cops in general " aren't for you as a youngster. I've come across stuff like this and worse, cops with no care, just happy to have a position of power to abuse.

That sounds like a very nice "payday" to me. I have a very thorough background in the legal system - both criminal & commercial. There are law firms that specialize in police misconduct and basically all they do is bleed the city out of 'heavy' greenback from bad cops. The cops will see all smiles from me because I know another payday is right around the corner.

Cops are very reluctant to harass law firm personnel. It is ironic that one of the first question cops ask me is where do I work. I tell them the name of the law firm and they reply Have a good day Mr. Biscuit."

Cops have specific groups of people they target ... and I am not one of them.
Cops have stared me down trying to intimidate me and I give them a dose of their own medicine. What do they do? walk away fearing that I would not be worth the trouble.

 

[biscuit]

well biscuit you have an attorney most blackmales need one but don't have one and respect is still a two way street officers cuss at blackmales all the time, your city may be different but in LA I've lived, DC NYC,NJ, ATL they are terrible not all but the vast majority have little to no respect for you even with two PhD's!
pastac

I do agree with your post.

 

[Elizabeth619]

KHQ.COM - Benjamin Watson who plays for the New Orleans Saints posted the following on his Facebook page and it has since gone viral: "At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."Post from khq.com

 

[Zmouth]

To me what is most tragic about this is how a young man was proclaimed innocent and murdered by a policeman, right after he had robbed a store -- proclamation of murder based apparently on pigment match between the proclaimers and Brown. .

I thought the principle of Constitutional law was that a person was considered innocent of any charges or allegations until convicted by a Court having competent jurisdiction in the matter.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're obviously not a modern "progressive" liberal.

I thought the principle of Constitutional law was that a person was considered innocent of any charges or allegations until convicted by a Court having competent jurisdiction in the matter.

 

[dcontroversal]

ALL LIVES MATTER!! Whether black, white, red or purple.. But when it comes to the po-po, they're all the same racist pigs. A crime gets committed, if it's an unknown perp, automatically they assume it must have been committed by a BLACK dude.. like people of other colors don't commit crimes, also? what the... ??

Kind of sounds like you are doing the same thing you accuse the cops of....lumping ALL into one group or are you just being.....?

I actually have numerous bible believing friends who are cops as well as numerous black friends and the cops who I know who are white are not racist and deal with all colors according to the law.....so...if you are being serious in your post that is like the POT calling the kettle BLACK!

 

[Atwood]

That sounds like a very nice "payday" to me. I have a very thorough background in the legal system - both criminal & commercial. There are law firms that specialize in police misconduct and basically all they do is bleed the city out of 'heavy' greenback from bad cops. The cops will see all smiles from me because I know another payday is right around the corner.

Cops are very reluctant to harass law firm personnel. It is ironic that one of the first question cops ask me is where do I work. I tell them the name of the law firm and they reply Have a good day Mr. Biscuit."

Cops have specific groups of people they target ... and I am not one of them.
Cops have stared me down trying to intimidate me and I give them a dose of their own medicine. What do they do? walk away fearing that I would not be worth the trouble.

OK, Biscuit;
next time I will stopped I will answer, "Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe, attys @ law."

 

[Atwood]

I thought the principle of Constitutional law was that a person was considered innocent of any charges or allegations until convicted by a Court having competent jurisdiction in the matter.

Naw, you misunderstand it altogether; there is this exception clause, "innocent until convicted, lessen the shooter is a low-pigment pig & the shootee matches our pigment." In which case we know who is right & who is wrong, & we will riot (also loot a tad).

 

[biscuit]

OK, Biscuit;
next time I will stopped I will answer, "Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe, attys @ law."

LOL!!! One of my best friend, a co-worker, that I was fortunate to work with for 11 years was an ex-police attorney.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"The fundamental problem, in which this is most clearly the case, is that of family structure. The evidence — not final, but powerfully persuasive — is that the Negro family in the urban ghettos is crumbling. A middle class group has managed to save itself, but for vast numbers of the unskilled, poorly educated city working class the fabric of conventional social relationships has all but disintegrated. There are indications that the situation may have been arrested in the past few years, but the general post war trend is unmistakable. So long as this situation persists, the cycle of poverty and disadvantage will continue to repeat itself."

- 'The Negro Family: The Case For National Action' published by the Office of Policy Planning and Research in the United States Department of Labor on March 1965 and authored by Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Moynihan report: http://www.dol.gov/dol/aboutdol/history/webid-meynihan.htm

^ Moynihan was an assistant secretary in the Department of Labor in the 1960s when his report cited the breakdown of the nuclear family as the main cause of problems in the black community.

A 2013 report by the Urban Institute revisited the issue and found that the same social problems highlighted in the landmark 1965 study on black family structure have only worsened over the last 48 years and are now causing similar hardship for white and Hispanic families.

"The statistics that so alarmed Moynihan have only grown worse, not only for blacks, but for whites and Hispanics as well. Today, the share of white children born outside marriage is about the same as the share was for black children in Moynihan’s day. Meanwhile, the percentage of black children born to unmarried mothers has tripled, remaining far higher than the percentage of white children born to unmarried mothers."

^ The disintegration of the moral nuclear family in America has been in rapid decline for a long time but especially so amongst African-Americans.

The Moynihan Report Revisited: http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/412839-The-Moynihan-Report-Revisited.pdf

As Christians, we are in a privileged place to address these issues and I'll tell you why. We have God's special objective revelation (e.g. the bible) and a new nature (e.g. spiritual rebirth by the Holy Spirit of God) in addition to the general revelation such studies provide.

Meaning that we actually have both the antidote and the cure for this problem. The authors of these studies are able to statistically chronicle the problem and it's growth over time; however, their analysis is mixed. In other words, they get some things right and some things wrong.

What they get wrong is rooted in their inability to view the problem through the eyes of the Creator (e.g. God) and appropriate His solutions.

This, my brothers and sisters in Christ, is the root of the sociological problems we see rapidly growing in our nation today.